OS X Snow Leopard Retail Disc Contains Build 10A432

[maverick808]

I have a Macbook 13'' 2.2 (Late 2007) and is on 64 bits kernel

Are you certain? In Activity Monitor does the kernel process (kernel_task, PID 0) show a "Kind" of Intel (64-bit)?

What is the result if you run "uname -a" in a terminal window?

 

[xlii]

Has anybody (other than Pedro) had their SL order status on their apple store account page changed from not yet shipped to shipped? Mine now says ships by 28 August, and I pre ordered through the uptodate program 1 month ago.

 

[milo]

The same guy also said he had no trouble installing the "upgrade" version on a clean hard drive.

Yep, surprising the story doesn't note that.

I hope all the clowns insisting that it required 10.5 installed enjoy their steaming plate of crow...

Okay, can we at least get a confirmation whether one can fresh install SL on an empty hard-drive (without Leopard installed)? I mean come on, this is the biggest question right now. Who cares about the packaging/pictures. 🙄

Sure, just click on the translation. It's confirmed. Meaning the disk is likely the exact same as the one in the "tiger" box set.

No default 64bit boot comes to mind

How is that a problem? Booting into 64 bit KERNEL means you can only use 64 bit drivers, and most people probably aren't ready for that. Makes perfect sense for now.

I sure hope all of the people who walked around spewing "10A432 isn't the GM" like they were some type of expert feel incredibly stupid and **** from now on.

You'd think they'd learn after they were wrong on the exact same point with 10.5, 10.4 etc. But you know they'll be yapping about it again when it's time for 10.7.

And that goes double for those insisting it could only "upgrade" based on ZERO facts, just their own wild guess.

 

[jaw04005]

What about Cheetah? Actually, Apple should have used that name instead of Snow Leopard because they could have marketed it as The Cat That Runs Faster. Instead, they went with Snow Leopard which probably should have been marketed as Snow Job. 😉

Cheetah was the code name for 10.0.

Those two options on the bottom of the menu is what's new as far as I know. They are the new "Services", which haven't been accessibly through that menu before. All that's happening is that the Apple demo is showing a different service, not sure why...

I know what's new. It's just they are not present in the GM build. In fact, I can't get the new "smart services" feature to appear anywhere in the OS. Seems weird.

You would think Apple would consider this a show stopper since it's one of the few touted features. Guess not.

"The Services menu in Mac OS X lets you use features of one application while working in another. In Snow Leopard, services are more simplified, streamlined, and helpful. The Services menu is contextual, so it shows just the services appropriate for the application you’re using or content you’re viewing rather than all available services. You can access services with a right click of your mouse or Control-click of your trackpad. You can configure the menu to show only the services you want, and you can even create your own services using Automator."

You can turn some of the services on by using "keyboard shortcuts" within the keyboard preference pane (even though the contextual menu is not really a keyboard shortcut), like "Add to iTunes as a Spoken Track." However, they don't have icons beside them, and it's not very elegant.

Apple clearly has some work to do on contextual services. The average Mac user is never going to find them. It's not even mentioned in the built-in help.

 

[darrellishere]

Are you kidding? I didn't d/l snow leopard but I constantly MAX out my connection with BT... I'm talking over 2.2MB to 3.1MB per second here.

Come on dude! Dump BT they are a rip off and move over into the light!
Virgin Media! Bro!

 

[milo]

maybe this is just the up-to-date packaging.....

Nope, we've already seen that, and it's totally different and says UP TO DATE in giant letters on the disk.

 

[ooo]

For anyone who wants 64 bit mode stop complaining and just type this into terminal and you're set

sudo nvram boot-args="arch=x86_64"

Or download this sys preference

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/32252/32--or-64-bit-kernel-startup-mode-selector

 

[AidenShaw]

Yes I am aware of Windows server. MS is capable, but on the desktop they disabled the ability to access more than 3.5 gigs. I have no clue why.

Apparently some consumer 32-bit drivers didn't follow the rules for PAE - and since a 64-bit version of the client OS existed it wasn't critical.

OSX can access 32 gigs in 32-bit mode, but 64-bit is required for efficient access of this memory due to address space overhead, the overhead you are talking about. But unless you are shoving 30 gig hashes into memory like we do, you'd never even notice this.

...

But, unless you are doing really intense stuff like we do with our mac pro's there simply is no difference.

OK, I see where you are, and that makes sense.

We have some HP ProLiant Xeons with 256 GiB and 512 GiB of RAM for some applications that need to have their databases entirely cached in RAM.

What threw me was the phrase "more than 32 GiB", since no Apple supports more than 32 GiB.

 

[weckart]

The UK is the second most expensive country to do business in - someone has to cover those costs; I sure as hell am not going to subsidise UK sales.

What? More expensive than Japan? Russia? France? Sweden? I think not. Not even close to the second most expensive.

As for 10A432, backed up a Macbook and installed it over Leopard. It upgraded it. No archive and install. No other option available except erasing the volume in Disk Utility and installing cleanly. On the plus side, it analysed all the apps and moved the only incompatible one I had (SRS Wow) to a dump folder.

 

[elmancho]

that's what i'm taking about. kinda slow 🙁

Big D**k Hugh ?

 

[macintoshtoffy]

What? More expensive than Japan? Russia? France? Sweden? I think not. Not even close to the second most expensive.

Japan was the most expensive followed by the UK then followed by United States - I have to admit though, those statistics were from around 7 years ago. Take this for example; a person can easily live on NZ$500 per week in New Zealand, could you imagine surviving on £210 per week?

As for 10A432, backed up a Macbook and installed it over Leopard. It upgraded it. No archive and install. No other option available except erasing the volume in Disk Utility and installing cleanly. On the plus side, it analysed all the apps and moved the only incompatible one I had (SRS Wow) to a dump folder.

I always get the feeling of bad juju when I upgrade; it is as though Murphey, patron saint of bad luck is watching over to put a spell of bad luck on the installation.

 

[zw-gator]

How is that a problem? Booting into 64 bit KERNEL means you can only use 64 bit drivers, and most people probably aren't ready for that. Makes perfect sense for now.

I understand that, but “64bit” is being plastered all over Apple’s webpage and SL sales material.

You think MS would get away with this? People would be losing their minds if they bought the 64bit version of Win7 and it booted in 32bit to “protect users”

 

[o0samotech0o]

My Mac and Snow Leopard..?

Hey guys,

I really want to know what advantages my mac will have with snow leopard.

It's an early 2008 white MacBook 2.0Ghz dual core, w/ 4GB RAM, and a built in graphics card (GMA i think?)

Can i run 64bit? What advantages will it give me?

Is there barely ANYTHING i can take advantage of? I've already preordered it cause i like to keep Up to date. But it would be nice to know what i could do w/ my Mac thats different, apart from dock expose.

Thanks
-Sam

 

[zw-gator]

For anyone who wants 64 bit mode stop complaining and just type this into terminal and you're set

To be honest, I think this is the best solution. Anyone techsavy enough to know what 64bit is and want it will find a way to boot into it by default. However, I think Apple should have explained it better.

 

[Sambo110]

Hey guys,

I really want to know what advantages my mac will have with snow leopard.

It's an early 2008 white MacBook 2.0Ghz dual core, w/ 4GB RAM, and a built in graphics card (GMA i think?)

Can i run 64bit? What advantages will it give me?

Is there barely ANYTHING i can take advantage of? I've already preordered it cause i like to keep Up to date. But it would be nice to know what i could do w/ my Mac thats different, apart from dock expose.

Thanks
-Sam

The same as everyone else. A few updated programs, and faster. And a few new features.

 

[macintoshtoffy]

I understand that, but “64bit” is being plastered all over Apple’s webpage and SL sales material.

You think MS would get away with this? People would be losing their minds if they bought the 64bit version of Win7 and it booted in 32bit to “protect users”

Apples and oranges. The only thing not 64bit is the kernel; you can run 64bit applications, everything above it is 64bit - the only thing missing is the 64bit kernel. Oh, and don't compare it to Windows - the two are completely different operating systems tackling the 64bit migration from different directions.

 

[elmancho]

I understand that, but “64bit” is being plastered all over Apple’s webpage and SL sales material.

You think MS would get away with this? People would be losing their minds if they bought the 64bit version of Win7 and it booted in 32bit to “protect users”

I agree 100%, people here would be like OMG!! MS ARE LIARS !!! (and blablabla) but apple does it and like "Yeah they do it coz its cool"

And BTW when vista or xp x64 came out, it was 64 all the way ...

To be honest, I think this is the best solution. Anyone techsavy enough to know what 64bit is and want it will find a way to boot into it by default. However, I think Apple should have explained it better.

Far to forgiving 😉

 

[maverick808]

For anyone who wants 64 bit mode stop complaining and just type this into terminal and you're set



Or download this sys preference

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/32252/32--or-64-bit-kernel-startup-mode-selector

Doesn't work for the 13" unibody MB.

 

[Cockroach]

why does it matter what the GM version is? BT is too slow of a protocol to download stuff anyways.

Try Usenet.

 

[ceasetoexist]

will snow leopard decrease the overall data size taken by leopard on the disk? or do i need to do a clean install on empty disk to have a smaller data usage by system?

 

[Chupa Chupa]

Hey guys,

I really want to know what advantages my mac will have with snow leopard.

It's an early 2008 white MacBook 2.0Ghz dual core, w/ 4GB RAM, and a built in graphics card (GMA i think?)

Can i run 64bit? What advantages will it give me?

Is there barely ANYTHING i can take advantage of? I've already preordered it cause i like to keep Up to date. But it would be nice to know what i could do w/ my Mac thats different, apart from dock expose.

Thanks
-Sam

Yes, it will run 64bit apps. For all the goodies in this update just checkout Apple's SL page. It's fairly comprehensive, and not just a "pretty" update. In fact, Apple didn't really do much at all as far as interface cleanup goes. SL is a great update, especially for $29. As always though your hardware is going to dictate what your s/w can do.

 

[martynmc7]

Not booting into a 64-bit kernel makes perfect sense for the time being as the only reason to boot in 64-bit is so that you could use more than 32GB of RAM, and I don't know anyone with that much RAM in their system.

Applications will still run in 64-bit regardless of the kernel, so there's no reason to boot into 64-bit until it becomes necessary (i.e. when the average Mac ships with more than 32GB of RAM).

This is a non-issue for 99% of people. And the server edition boots into 64-bit because it'll be necessary. The option of a 64-bit kernel just makes the OS future proof. It's there for when it's needed in the future, but there'll be next to no advantages in booting into 64-bit for the time being.

 

[mudenza]

Okay, can we at least get a confirmation whether one can fresh install SL on an empty hard-drive (without Leopard installed)? I mean come on, this is the biggest question right now. Who cares about the packaging/pictures. 🙄

Yes I've tried it and it works

 

[weckart]

Japan was the most expensive followed by the UK then followed by United States - I have to admit though, those statistics were from around 7 years ago. Take this for example; a person can easily live on NZ$500 per week in New Zealand, could you imagine surviving on £210 per week?

I think you are also confusing expensive country to live in with expensive country to do business in. The former may have been true due to rip-off Britain, where we pay through the nose to subsidise other countries. However, labour laws and regulations in the UK are fairly relaxed and streamlined compared with quite a number of other countries, which contributes to a decreased cost of business here. Even with our relatively high cost of living, the UK has always attracted a high amount of foreign business investment precisely because it is not expensive to do business here.

Unemployment benefit is around £60 pw in the UK. A lot of people have to manage

 

[Chupa Chupa]

will snow leopard decrease the overall data size taken by leopard on the disk? or do i need to do a clean install on empty disk to have a smaller data usage by system?

The smart money is always on doing a clean install with any major OS update. It just ensures you get all of the previous OS bits off your machine. Next best thing is to do an "archive & install" it removes the old OS, archives it, and installs the new one. When you boot up SL and all is good you can delete the archive. This method is not as "clean" as a "clean" install but it does avoid having to reinstall all your apps.