OS X Snow Leopard Retail Disc Contains Build 10A432

[THX1139]

You are in Mozambique and somehow located only 50 miles away from London. Whether that is London, UK or London, Ontario it's very impressive.

No public ISP in the UK manages more than 50Mb/s at the moment.

WOW that is fast... I thought mine was fast.

Holy krap! Can you guys move this to another thread?! It has NOTHING to do with Snow Leopard and I'm getting tired of see that ugly graphic. Yeah, I know... it won't happen- but I feel better for asking.

 

[StefSSU]

Are you kidding? I didn't d/l snow leopard but I constantly MAX out my connection with BT... I'm talking over 2.2MB to 3.1MB per second here.

... for a second I though you guys were talking about downloading over Bluetooth (BT)... *facepalm*
Although I cant get torrents were I live, at my place in Italy I struggle to get over 50KBps on a torrent, reckon I had issues with port forwarding or throttling.

 

[THX1139]

Well, last I heard, PIXAR doesn't use Windows either. They use Sun workstations and Linux for their servers, correct? So, I'm not sure the little dig at the end really supports your argument.

If you would have read my post with an open mind instead of trying to find a way to discredit what I wrote, you would have noticed that I implied that *PCs are better for running large file applications (3d rendering, video processing and compositing). I only mentioned Windows because I wanted to relate it to a desktop user experience. I'm fully aware that PIXAR uses Linux, and servers for renders. What's your point? The issue is they use that hardware over what Apple provides for a reason. More power, more control over the software. However, I suppose that most of the people working at PIXAR have iPhones or iPods.

(*Yeah, I know that technically a Mac is a PC, but typically, Macs are not called that. A PC is widely known as a computer that runs that "other" software.)

 

[Povilas]

No, I'm not. I understand perfectly that you expected better "quality", but that's your opinion, and that's not contradictory to the fact that the version designated by Apple as GM, is the GM.

You can express your opinion, but clearly not make decisions for the others. Only Apple can decide which version is GM, whatever you or anyone else think about the "quality" of this version.

As lannister80 reminded you, GM is a technical term with a clear signification and your opinion has nothing to do with it.

You are still missing the point.

 

[Droid13]

Well...

Very well written! Too bad that the people who are whining about 64bit won't read it. They are too busy crying that they don't get something that they don't need just because other (professional) machines are able. The issue of having computers blocked from 64 is actually a smart move on Apples part. Look how many people have already tried to do it and failed. Those are the same people who will be calling Apple to find out why their systems is so unstable, or they will be posting here saying how crappy Snow Leopard runs on their computers.

No one has been able to explain why they need 64bit on a laptop. They just complain that they aren't able and it is just soooo unfair of Apple to take that away from them. Apple is actually doing them a favor. There will be the day that 64bit will be important on laptops, but that day is a long way off and todays laptops will be very old by then.

Need and want are very different things, I agree - but blocking software from running on capable hardware is an interesting idea, to say the least. There are a few analogies that could be drawn up - crippling cars to 70mph might seem sensible and a safety feature by some, others would go mad if that was done...

I think the issue is not so much that 64-bit will be of benefit, but if the hardware is capable of it, it should run. It is up to the user how to do things. A default boot into 32-bit isn't a problem, but preventing 64-bit on a potentially capable piece of equipment might be for some.

 

[iFrodo]

You are still missing the point.

Don't you have a better answer?

Don't worry for me I didn't miss your point. I didn't test the GM version and so I can't say if I agree or disagree with you regarding its quality. That's why I don't discuss that point.

But it seems that YOU are still missing MY point. MY point is that you can't state that version X is not GM, just because you don't consider it to be of GM "quality". That's MY point.
But you can perfectly say "version X should not have been declared as GM". A word can change everything for the signification of your sentences, be careful when you are writing.

So MY point is: Like it or not, but I'm sorry to tell you that the version in the retail DVD is the GM. It may be a bad choice from Apple (I don't know, I didn't test it) and maybe it should not have been declared GM, but it doesn't change the fact that it is the GM, and this is undeniable.

 

[Bevz]

I'm running a 2006 Mac Pro 1,1 with the HD 4870 and it works great!

Excellent news. Thanks for posting... Out of interest, how did you know it would work? Did you just take a punt on it and it worked out ok

 

[robco]

To add something to the 10A432 GM debate I noticed on Apple's website regarding development tools that they talk about scripting languages. I have not been able to find this functionality within the 10A432 developer release. This could be text they forgot to change, but I also noticed that pre-Apple Snow Leopard announcement their website listed Snow Leopard as having the ODBC Administrator tool as a utility. Now their site does not list that tool. So they did take the time to refresh the features within Snow Leopard.

Any ideas?

 

[JFreak]

they originally said that by installing Snow Leopard, you would free up 6GB of space on your hard drive. However, Apple has now changed it from 6GB to 7GB.

Probably because they've apparently changed the way they calculate gigabytes. I wouldn't know for sure, because my SL disc has not yet arrived so let's call this hearsay.

 

[TheSpaz]

No

I'm running a 2006 Mac Pro 1,1 with the HD 4870 and it works great!

Excellent news. Thanks for posting... Out of interest, how did you know it would work? Did you just take a punt on it and it worked out ok

No, I read about other Mac Pro 1,1 users installing it on their machines first before I ordered it. I also saw photos of one user installing it in their machine and 10.5.7 included HD 4870 drivers, so I was all set.

 

[juker12]

Fake Applesfera

Build 10A432 bug in spanish

Look

http://www.applesana.es/foro/usuari...malisima-opciones-no-se-ve-correctamente.html

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Build 10A432

Actual Build 10.5.8

 

[wallaby]

Still going to wait a week to see what bugs pop up for the early adopters. However, if I buy 10.6 I think this will be the first OS X I do a regular "upgrade" on rather than "archive and install"... just don't want to bother with external drives and all that junk for a vague undefinable "peace of mind." This isn't Windows we're talking about here.

Will still backup my current system, though. Gotta be safe!

 

[Bevz]

No, I read about other Mac Pro 1,1 users installing it on their machines first before I ordered it. I also saw photos of one user installing it in their machine and 10.5.7 included HD 4870 drivers, so I was all set.

Great stuff.. Thanks again for posting!

 

[fiercetiger224]

There are two problems with your approach to things:

1) If we keep saying "not everything is ready yet" then you'll never reach a point where we are using 64-bit. Companies have no incentive to release the software unless they are effectively forced to. Microsoft's approach has a lot of problems, but it works for the most part and they've got three pretty good 64-bit OSes out there now.

2) The issue isn't that the 64-bit kernel is disabled by default, it's that it has been COMPLETELY disabled on certain models of computer when there is NO valid technical reason for doing so. My MacBook can run 64-bit software just as well as any other 64-bit Mac, yet due to Apple's marketing crap it's intentionally crippled.

To suggest that a software update will correct this is laughable, purely for the reasons you've outlined. People don't expect an update to remove compatibility with their hardware and software. An OS Upgrade is different to an update. I expect fewer things to work with a new OS, but I don't expect anything to stop working after a simple point update Like (like 10.6.1).

Well, the point is, is that WE WILL move to 64-bit. This version is technically forcing all developers to move 64-bit. Why else would Apple advertise this as 64-bit? Apple's approach is better than MS, strictly because of the way they designed OS X from the beginning. You may think that since MS had two different versions of Windows in 32-bit and 64-bit fashions, that it would force more developers to make more software in 64-bit. But we still haven't seen much software that's 64-bit, even on Windows, which has had 64-bit LONGER than OS X. The 64-bit kernel really has nothing to do with developers producing 64-bit software.

Apple wants to make sure MOST of the software currently available will run with few or no problems at all, hence why they probably enabled the 32-bit kernel at default. Remember, MOST consumers aren't as tech saavy as we are, so what happens to them if Apple enabled the 64-bit kernel at default, and they were running in several problems with driver issues, etc?

And yes, I understand everyone's point about not being able to boot the 64-bit kernel in certain configurations. I imagine Apple will eventually provide either a firmware update + software update, or one or the other. Just be patient, and things will eventually come together. It's not like Snow Leopard is any different than Leopard anyways. It looks and acts like Leopard, with a few improvements under the hood. That's it.

I'm gonna laugh if you're one of those people who has a Macbook or iMac that can only take up to 3GB of RAM, and you want 64-bit capabilities. Well uhh, it's silly because these machines can't address more than 4GB of RAM, so it doesn't really matter if it's 64-bit or not. Yes, there may be improvements if 64-bit software uses the extra registers. Snow Leopard at this point is really only useful for recent Macs have max RAM of up to 8GB (iMac/Macbooks), or the Mac Pro. Anything before that, pointless.

 

[Maserati7200]

Yeah I agree, who would want all these enhancements anyway.

Hahahaha I was literally laughing for 2 minutes!!

 

[Hugh]

Reading the Posts

Do you people read the other posts before you post, or just skim though them till you see something that fits your thinking.

I can't believe all theses posts about not going 64bit. It's been addressed many times that SL boots in 32bit because there is no reason to boot in 64bit at the moment. The apps that Apple made 64bit are still running in 64bit. The reason to go 64bit if there would be apps that take advantage of the 64bit core and 32gig of memory.

So far there is no mac that has that much ram in it, not to mention that most apps are still 32bit.

Hugh

 

[AidenShaw]

But we still haven't seen much software that's 64-bit, even on Windows, which has had 64-bit LONGER than OS X. The 64-bit kernel really has nothing to do with developers producing 64-bit software.

We also haven't seen much software that benefits from 64-bits, either. Does Adobe Reader need to be x64 - no.

My octo Win7 system is running 64-bit notepad, 64-bit DOS CMD windows, 64-bit explorer - does that make it snappier?

As long as developers have to support 32-bit systems, it makes little sense to make 64-bit versions of apps that don't need it on Windows. (Windows doesn't have the TLB problem that the 32-bit kernel on OSX has.)

The reason to go 64bit if there would be apps that take advantage of the 64bit core and 32gig of memory.

So far there is no mac that has that much ram in it, not to mention that most apps are still 32bit.

At this point, we'll just wait for the benchmarks to come in. If actual measurements show no benefit to the 64-bit kernel, then claims like this are valid.

On the other hand, if the benchmarks show that a 2 GiB system with the x64 kernel is faster on common, important apps - then the whiners will be vindicated.


...wait and see...

 

[maclejuice]

awesome! i can't wait

 

[EGOvoruhk]

so you acknowledge Apple's legal right to collect money for their software, but not their legal right to resist the hardware it is used on.

Exactly what legal right is that? I must have missed the law claiming that breaking a EULA is illegal

 

[r.j.s]

Exactly what legal right is that? I must have missed the law claiming that breaking a EULA is illegal

Breaking the EULA/SLA is violating civil contract law. It's not criminal, unless you also violate the DMCA, but still illegal.

 

[SBik2]

hey guys i forgot if this has been said, but CNet said we can do a clean install with the upgrade discs.
"Those who want to do a "Clean Install" (starting fresh by deleting everything for minimal conflicts) still can, but unlike installations in previous versions of previous Mac OS X that offered the clean install as a primary option, you'll need to use Disk Utility to first erase the volume, then run the install. Apple explained to us that not everyone knows what a clean install is and often chose it, not knowing that they would lose their files. We're happy with that answer, as long as people still get the option in some form."

 

[Wakakanada]

2 days to go...

awesome! i can't wait

Yes, it is curious how the online chatter, "leaks" of possible release dates, etc, etc. have created such anticipation for what will likely amount to a fairly minor upgrade...I CAN'T WAIT !!! ...
...
...really.

 

[S3rgin]

Snow Leopard review by Engadget

Guys,

Engadget.com posted their review of Snow Leopard:

"Here's the thing about Snow Leopard, the single inescapable fact that hung over our heads as we ran our tests and took our screenshots and made our graphs: it's $30. $30! If you're a Leopard user you have virtually no reason to skip over 10.6, unless you've somehow built a mission-critical production workflow around an InputManager hack. (In which case, well, have fun with 10.5 for the rest of your life.)..."

Have a look at the entire review at:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/26/snow-leopard-review/

I've just noticed that Gizmodo posted their as well:
http://gizmodo.com/5346418/snow-leopard-review-lightened-and-enlightened

Cheers.

 

[Dragonforce]

UTD Leo shipped, got the mail like 10 minutes ago

(Apple Store Europe)

 

[lannister80]

Breaking the EULA/SLA is violating civil contract law. It's not criminal, unless you also violate the DMCA, but still illegal.

Bah, court rulings have already shown EULAs to be completely one-sided (I forget the legal term) and therefore unenforceable. "Shrink wrap" licenses are a joke.

DMCA is a different story.