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emw said:
Quite true - I hadn't though about that, but there were a number of other "scribblings" on the wall. Bring 'em all in!

There's a picture on chicagotribune.com of a woman writing on the wall next to the stain. So- why wasn't she arrested? She was also defacing public property. They mention her name and everything. I'm sure she wasn't the only one. This guy's going to get off easily.
 
FoxyKaye said:
Uh huh, I don't care if those wackos were Catholics, Baptists, or any other flavor of the cult of Christianity. The point here is that because it was a Christian thing that somehow the whole world had to stand still and witness. I highly doubt there would have been nearly the same hooplah if this were related to any other religion. Its the holier-than-thou theocratic Christian America that thinks it is entitled to this country's laws and social programs that allows this kind of crap to happen. This is a tiny, tiny example of a much larger iceberg - hasn't anyone else noticed how suddenly emboldened the entire Christian cult has become in this country?

Calling Christianity a cult is rather offensive. Whether you agree with their teachings or not, please show some respect.

The whole world did not stand still for this ridiculous display of the faithful, nor did they stand still for the grilled cheese sandwich on eBay, or any other myriad of "sightings". It's a novelty, and news sources love it. This is the stuff that makes you scratch your head and think "WTF?"

Your attitude against the "holier-than-thou theocratic Christian America" is rather frightening to me. Whether you like it or not, they ARE entitled to this country's laws and social programs as much as the next person. Any less undermines our freedom.
 
Hemingray said:
Your attitude against the "holier-than-thou theocratic Christian America" is rather frightening to me. Whether you like it or not, they ARE entitled to this country's laws and social programs as much as the next person. Any less undermines our freedom.

Their attitude toward anything different from them is frightening to ME. I don't see anyone passing laws forbidding Christian marriage or inhertance rights, etc. Sorry-they are the ones undermining people's freedom the most these days.
 
Hemingray said:
Whether you like it or not, they ARE entitled to this country's laws and social programs as much as the next person.
In most cases, apparently, they are entitled to more... at least they can get married.

Edit: I see lee beat me to it. Never pause during a response...
 
here's the pic of the woman writing on the wall. Arrest her now! :)
 

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stubeeef said:
that is just it, no easy answer, but a nuke strike (black paint) wasn't on the list either.

Well, my answer is they shouldn't have let this go on for a month. The police should have started clearing this away after about a week. People started planning alternate routes to work to avoid the congestion. I"m telling you, if it were anyone else, it wouldn't have lasted a day.
 
Hemingray said:
Calling Christianity a cult is rather offensive. Whether you agree with their teachings or not, please show some respect.
Cry me a river. Why? There's nothing in the entire religion that indicates otherwise to me. If folks think it's a-OK to post homophobic drivel on MR in other threads, I can call Christians anything I want.

Hemingray said:
Your attitude against the "holier-than-thou theocratic Christian America" is rather frightening to me. Whether you like it or not, they ARE entitled to this country's laws and social programs as much as the next person. Any less undermines our freedom.
Entitled to the full protection, freedom of expression and religious preference, yes. Trying to put creationism BS in our school curriculums, undermine womens' right to choose an abortion, deny gays and lesbians full marriage equality, shutting down HIV/AIDS prevention programs that distribute condoms, impose right-wing nutjob judges who think the Bible should govern our legal system into our courts, and playing games with legal and IRS codes so that churches can get into the business of endorsing and running with political campaigns all so that we have a "culture of life" (as our President so eloquently puts it) in the United States - need I go on?
 
FoxyKaye said:
Cry me a river. Why? There's nothing in the entire religion that indicates otherwise to me. If folks think it's a-OK to post homophobic drivel on MR in other threads, I can call Christians anything I want.


Entitled to the full protection, freedom of expression and religious preference, yes. Trying to put creationism BS in our school curriculums, undermine womens' right to choose an abortion, deny gays and lesbians full marriage equality, shutting down HIV/AIDS prevention programs that distribute condoms, impose right-wing nutjob judges who think the Bible should govern our legal system into our courts, and playing games with legal and IRS codes so that churches can get into the business of endorsing and running with political campaigns all so that we have a "culture of life" (as our President so eloquently puts it) in the United States - need I go on?

You GO girl! :)
 
Breakings News! Mary can't be stopped! It must really be her! :) Hmm.. and they weren't going to release the guy's name to keep him safe. What does that say?

'Virgin Mary' image returns

By Patrick Rucker and Nancy Ryan
Tribune staff reporters
Published May 6, 2005, 2:30 PM CDT



An image some considered to be that of the Virgin Mary reappeared today after vanishing under a layer of paint state highway workers had applied to it.

A man late Thursday night allegedly used black shoe polish to deface the image, on a concrete wall of the Fullerton Avenue underpass of the Kennedy Expressway. The Illinois Department of Transportation responded by having a crew use brown paint to cover the graffiti. In doing so, they painted over the entire image.

All that remained by daybreak was a freshly painted outline, surrounded by flowers and candles of what, in the three weeks since the image first appeared, had become a makeshift shrine.

But the faithful turned out, and one or more people somehow began to remove the paint. It was not known how they did it, but by afternoon, the image was back largely intact and apparently with no sign of the graffiti that had marred it.

Police said they arrested Victor Gonzalez, 37, of Chicago shortly after witnesses saw him use black shoe polish around 11:30 p.m. Thursday to paint the words "Big Lie" and what appeared to be a crude swastika over the image.

Gonzalez was arrested riding a bicycle at Diversey and California Avenues, a few blocks northwest of the underpass. He was charged with misdemeanor criminal damage to state-supported property, police spokesman David Banks said.

The suspect was released on bond this morning and was assigned a June 21 court hearing. Authorities gave his address as the 2700 block of North Menard Avenue, but family members there said the man is a transient who has no permanent residence.

They said after Gonzalez was freed on bond, he told them he was going to a West Side hospital where he previously had been treated for psychological problems.

Police were initially reluctant to release Gonzalez's name because of concerns outrage over the defacement might jeopardize his safety. "This could be a nasty thing," Banks said. Meanwhile, IDOT ordered the image painted over.

"Basically, it became graffiti and that is how we treated it," said Mike Claffey, spokesman for the agency. "We were trying to be hands off and treat it like any other roadside memorial, but that changed overnight."

Word of the incident spread quickly, and people started showing up to look and pray as early as 4 a.m., CLTV reported.

Several, like Gonzalo Izurieta, were upset.

"There's a lot of people in this country that are Catholic, that believe in the Virgin Mary. It was wrong what they did. It was wrong," Izurieta said.

Another passerby, Corey Higgs, told CLTV, "They found the Virgin in the grilled cheese (sandwich), they found Jesus in some French fries, whatever, you know, that's great. If that's what people want to believe in, if they want to say that's something significant, that's fine."

The large stain on the concrete wall drew national attention after pilgrims began gathering at the site in mid-April to look at what they believe was the image of the Blessed Mother. They came alone or in large groups, leaving behind flowers and candles.

Believers said the stain showed the outline of the Virgin Mary's face wearing a cloak. Some said it more closely resembled a chess pawn—if not just grime.

Even Cardinal Francis George commented on the shrine April 25: "If it's helpful in reminding people of the Virgin Mary's care for us and love for us, that's wonderful."

Tribune wires contributed to this story.
 
emw said:
Here for pictures.

Looks like it's mostly gone, aside from the outline.

I thought so too. But I'm sure that certain people can still see it. BTW- Keep your alternate routes to work folks! Looks like we're stuck with this one for longer than we'd hoped! :)
 
Yeah-and now we're stuck with it for God only knows how long. I'm sure it'll be all over the news too. If the BBC picks it up again, all of Europe will be laughing an even bigger laugh than the first time. Great.
 
Wow, that guy was great, traded the Virgin Mary for a swastika, now I see why he is so celebrated! :rolleyes:
 
FoxyKaye said:
Cry me a river. Why? There's nothing in the entire religion that indicates otherwise to me. If folks think it's a-OK to post homophobic drivel on MR in other threads, I can call Christians anything I want.

Certainly you can, that's your freedom of speech at work there. Doesn't make it any less insensitive to Christians. But I realize now you don't seem to care about being sensitive to them.

FoxyKaye said:
Entitled to the full protection, freedom of expression and religious preference, yes. Trying to put creationism BS in our school curriculums, undermine womens' right to choose an abortion, deny gays and lesbians full marriage equality, shutting down HIV/AIDS prevention programs that distribute condoms, impose right-wing nutjob judges who think the Bible should govern our legal system into our courts, and playing games with legal and IRS codes so that churches can get into the business of endorsing and running with political campaigns all so that we have a "culture of life" (as our President so eloquently puts it) in the United States - need I go on?

I'm not going to get into political issues here. The point was that every American has a right to his or her beliefs, whether we agree with them or not. Period.
 
leekohler said:
Exactly-now you know why so many of us find this frightening.

The troll? I thought you guys were going to contribute to his legal defense?
 
stubeeef said:
The troll? I thought you guys were going to contribute to his legal defense?

Oh! I thought you were talking about the guy from The Wall in reference to FoxyKaye's post. Oops! :) And of course no one is contributing to his legal defense, I think he'll be just fine given that others were writing on the wall too. They'd have to charge him with "incitement to riot" or something. They only charged him with defacing the wall. BTW- how long before he gets death threats?
 
leekohler said:
BTW- how long before he gets death threats?

that is the possibly the saddest part of this, sometimes US christians aren't very christ like. it is a sad but very possible outcome, I would hope that it would only be aweful talk and not acted upon.

found this part of the article interesting.........

"We were trying to be hands off and treat it like any other roadside memorial, but that changed overnight."
 
stubeeef said:
that is the possibly the saddest part of this, sometimes US christians aren't very christ like. it is a sad but very possible outcome, I would hope that it would only be aweful talk and not acted upon.

found this part of the article interesting.........

Yeah- I wonder what that part of the article meant exactly?
 
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