Our Lady of the Underpass, part 2

[FoxyKaye]

Certainly you can, that's your freedom of speech at work there. Doesn't make it any less insensitive to Christians. But I realize now you don't seem to care about being sensitive to them.

Hmmm... No. I don't. They certainly don't care about being "sensitive" to a great many folks, so why should I return the favor to them?

I'm not going to get into political issues here.

Oh dear, but that's exactly what Christianity is doing in the United States.

The point was that every American has a right to his or her beliefs, whether we agree with them or not. Period.

On this we agree. However, religious beliefs have no place in our laws. It's called separation of Church and State.

 

[justinshiding]

I'm going to take the unpopular view and say that I'm glad someone actually did that. Hopefully now I won't have to deal with the traffic it generated. It's silly to pray to a salt stain. As crazy as the guy who did it seemed when they interviewed him, he did make a good point that people are worshiping a salt stain...and that it's not a religious relic.

Life is easier as an agnostic. *takes a hose to the salt stain on the car, knowing that it is only a salt stain*

cheers,
justin

 

[stubeeef]

On this we agree. However, religious beliefs have no place in our laws. It's called separation of Church and State.

How did this get into the separation of Church and State?

 

[leekohler]

I'm going to take the unpopular view and say that I'm glad someone actually did that. Hopefully now I won't have to deal with the traffic it generated. It's silly to pray to a salt stain. As crazy as the guy who did it seemed when they interviewed him, he did make a good point that people are worshiping a salt stain...and that it's not a religious relic.

Life is easier as an agnostic. *takes a hose to the salt stain on the car, knowing that it is only a salt stain*

cheers,
justin

Well no- the state should have done it after about a week. And this guy's effort didn't work too well. They removed the paint and the shoe polish.

 

[lalcan]

Well, being a relaxed catholic myself, it's hard to take a stand here... I mean, everyone has a right to stop anywhere and pray to god, as long as he/she doesn't stand in the way of my car and get themselves in danger. On the other hand, this guy who threw the paint all over it, well, that was bad, specially since he made it in order to keep the people from worshipping an image because it's against the "second commandment" in other words, he is a religion extremist himself, that can't be good.

Good old Shakespeare would have said "much ado about nothing", but it does show how easy is to manipulate our minds, they can easily keep us distracted from the real problems we're facing as an species, i say we won't face the problems till we have less than a year to a MASSIVE catastrophe...

The remaining billion of people will be -without any doubt- better suited to worry about ecology, social issues, religion, psychology and politics, i only wonder if we'll -as i actually intend to hang on as long as possible- have spare time to post in MR...

Boy! another "the end is coming, run for your life" post! hehehe never mind, i know i'm right!

 

[leekohler]

Well, being a relaxed catholic myself, it's hard to take a stand here... I mean, everyone has a right to stop anywhere and pray to god, as long as he/she doesn't stand in the way of my car and get themselves in danger. On the other hand, this guy who threw the paint all over it, well, that was bad, specially since he made it in order to keep the people from worshipping an image because it's against the "second commandment" in other words, he is a religion extremist himself, that can't be good.

Good old Shakespeare would have said "much ado about nothing", but it does show how easy is to manipulate our minds, they can easily keep us distracted from the real problems we're facing as an species, i say we won't face the problems till we have less than a year to a MASSIVE catastrophe...

The remaining billion of people will be -without any doubt- better suited to worry about ecology, social issues, religion, psychology and politics, i only wonder if we'll -as i actually intend to hang on as long as possible- have spare time to post in MR...

Boy! another "the end is coming, run for your life" post! hehehe never mind, i know i'm right!

I guess that was the reason I started this thread and the first one. It seems insane to me that people are going crazy over this "apparition" when there are so many other larger things to worry about. Imagine what we could do with all the time and money that's being spent guarding this salt stain? And the media's complicity makes me ill.

 

[Rod Rod]

pictures from this past Sunday morning at around 3 a.m.

There were about a dozen people looking at this spectacle when I took these pictures on Saturday night / Sunday morning.

The last picture shows the cars parked along the on-ramp for westbound I-90/94, which is just north of Fullerton Avenue.

 

[MongoTheGeek]

The really ironic thing is that this was going away on its own when the guy defaced it and brought it back into the Zeitgeist. If I believed that this was a sign/miracle I would take the reaction to the defacement as God flipping the guy the bird and asserting divine will. As is I just laugh at the irony.

Think about this. The defacer was in essence feeding the trolls.

 

[Rod Rod]

It's true that the defacement brought it back into the national spotlight. Local news stations covered the story in more depth, including video of the state crews painting over as well as two ladies spraying paint thinner on it afterwards.

However, if the defacement had never happened I doubt the number of visitors a month after the "miraculous discovery" or appearance would have been any different. I would have stopped by and taken pictures of the makeshift shrine anyway. For me it was just a matter of being in the area after a night of partying.

About the troll, well it's appropriate that this thing is under a bridge.

 

[Sutekidane]

There were about a dozen people looking at this spectacle when I took these pictures on Saturday night / Sunday morning.

The last picture shows the cars parked along the on-ramp for westbound I-90/94, which is just north of Fullerton Avenue.

Wow, thats a lot of candles ^_^.

 

[stubeeef]

Think about this. The defacer was in essence feeding the trolls.

You so smart Mr Mongo.


they need to put up a curtain like they do at accidents so the on-lookers will not slow down.

edit: what happens if after dismantling and replacing the cement, it comes back? Or after repeated attempts at removing it, it keeps re-appearing?

 

[leekohler]

You so smart Mr Mongo.


they need to put up a curtain like they do at accidents so the on-lookers will not slow down.

edit: what happens if after dismantling and replacing the cement, it comes back? Or after repeated attempts at removing it, it keeps re-appearing?

Unfortunately for some people, no matter how much this thing gets washed away or painted over, it'll ALWAYs be there.

 

[MongoTheGeek]

Unfortunately for some people, no matter how much this thing gets washed away or painted over, it'll ALWAYs be there.

Well, yeah, but see its back and yes there will be people who go and worship there. It will be their special shrine. I know of roadside shrines where people were killed that are kept cleaned and maintained by whomever for years. Long after the inciting event. It dwindles over time. People die, pick other shrines, lose faith.

Medieval Europe was covered with them. This is like the Ashtere warned against in the old testament or the thousands of Shinto shrines across Japan and the Buddhist shrines across east asia. In the abstract they are all the same. Its the sacred rock, the sacred tree.

Excuse me. I've got a template for grilled cheese sandwiches to make.

 

[leekohler]

Excuse me. I've got a template for grilled cheese sandwiches to make.

Make me one with swiss.

 

[leekohler]

Her it comes. I knew somebody would say something. This guy's going to get off. This is from the Sun-Times:

'Big lie' charges bogus


The police charged Victor Gonzalez with criminal damage to state-supported property for writing ''big lie'' at the scene of a mineral stain under the Fullerton underpass [news story, May 7]. But the police did nothing to others who wrote messages, claiming they charged Gonzalez only because they had evidence against him. But some people had written their names and left their pictures at the site of the mineral stain.

And now two women identified openly in the media have removed paint applied to the same location by the city. Surely this is willful ''criminal damage.'' If the police single out Gonzalez and fail to charge the others, then they send the message that criminal damage of property is OK as long as the perpetrators are superstitious or members of religious cults.

The case against Gonzalez is an embarrassment. Toss it out on grounds of selective and biased enforcement.

Alan Winters,
Lincoln Park

 

[emw]

Her it comes. I knew somebody would say something. This guy's going to get off. This is from the Sun-Times:

'Big lie' charges bogus


The police charged Victor Gonzalez with criminal damage to state-supported property for writing ''big lie'' at the scene of a mineral stain under the Fullerton underpass [news story, May 7]. But the police did nothing to others who wrote messages, claiming they charged Gonzalez only because they had evidence against him. But some people had written their names and left their pictures at the site of the mineral stain.

And now two women identified openly in the media have removed paint applied to the same location by the city. Surely this is willful ''criminal damage.'' If the police single out Gonzalez and fail to charge the others, then they send the message that criminal damage of property is OK as long as the perpetrators are superstitious or members of religious cults.

The case against Gonzalez is an embarrassment. Toss it out on grounds of selective and biased enforcement.

Alan Winters,
Lincoln Park

Good for this guy for writing in. If that guy gets convicted of anything, there'll be problems, I think.

 

[leekohler]

Good for this guy for writing in. If that guy gets convicted of anything, there'll be problems, I think.

Especially when there are pictures of others writing on the same wall.