Considering it is are pentile, 441 is pretty close to 360 in actual resolution you see.
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Outlining the Case for 1334 x 750 and 2208 x 1242 iPhone 6 Retina Displays
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Considering it is are pentile, 441 is pretty close to 360 in actual resolution you see.
I think that many of the complaints about the iPhone screen size and pixel density revolve around Web browsing.
I never even attempt to read a full webpage on my 3.5" iPhone 4S in portrait mode without zooming. I guess I'm just used to this limitation.
Much of my reading content comes from formatted RSS feeds or sites that have a mobile version. If I want to do heavy Web browsing, I get my iPad or Mac mini.
But apparently a lot of people do want to browse full webpages on their phone without zooming. Even if my usage is different, I'm not blaming them for having different needs.
Of course, if you try to read full non-mobile webpage without zooming on a 3.5"/4" iPhone screen, you'll find two things :
1. The text is physically very small because of the screen size so you have to hold it closer to your face.
2. Because of this it highlights the limits of the 326PPI display, since letters at this size are made of only a few pixels.
If Apple releases a 4.7" and 5.5" iPhone 6 at both 326PPI (which I think they'll do), both of these problems will be fixed (at least in part) even though the screen density won't increase.
Safari on iOS always render pages as if they were on a 1024 pixels PC/Mac screen and then resizes the result to fit the width of the iOS device.
This means that with the increase in physical screen size, the same Web content will be appear larger on the 4.7" and 5.5", so the text will be much more defined and easier to read and individual pixels won't be as easy to make out as each letter will be fully formed, even if the density remains at 326PPI.
So in conclusion, while a minority will still complain that the PPI is too low, the majority of people looking for an improvement in browsing full Web pages will get a noticeable improvement of their experience on the iPhone 6.
I never even attempt to read a full webpage on my 3.5" iPhone 4S in portrait mode without zooming. I guess I'm just used to this limitation.
Much of my reading content comes from formatted RSS feeds or sites that have a mobile version. If I want to do heavy Web browsing, I get my iPad or Mac mini.
But apparently a lot of people do want to browse full webpages on their phone without zooming. Even if my usage is different, I'm not blaming them for having different needs.
Of course, if you try to read full non-mobile webpage without zooming on a 3.5"/4" iPhone screen, you'll find two things :
1. The text is physically very small because of the screen size so you have to hold it closer to your face.
2. Because of this it highlights the limits of the 326PPI display, since letters at this size are made of only a few pixels.
If Apple releases a 4.7" and 5.5" iPhone 6 at both 326PPI (which I think they'll do), both of these problems will be fixed (at least in part) even though the screen density won't increase.
Safari on iOS always render pages as if they were on a 1024 pixels PC/Mac screen and then resizes the result to fit the width of the iOS device.
This means that with the increase in physical screen size, the same Web content will be appear larger on the 4.7" and 5.5", so the text will be much more defined and easier to read and individual pixels won't be as easy to make out as each letter will be fully formed, even if the density remains at 326PPI.
So in conclusion, while a minority will still complain that the PPI is too low, the majority of people looking for an improvement in browsing full Web pages will get a noticeable improvement of their experience on the iPhone 6.
Something very similar happened when we moved from DOS to Windows over 20 years ago. Wasn't that big a deal.
It's pretty obvious what you're trying to do here.
But even if Apple adds two new resolutions with the iPhone 6, the total number of resolutions iOS devs will have to support will still be 1/100th of what's found on Android. And besides, Android fragmentation is not only about screens, it's about OS versions and other hardware features which again is 100x worse on Android.
Yep, and we all see what the 5C got us.......There will be tons of used 4.7's hitting the market when people flock to the 5.5
If true Apple will have made a major mistake by making a "me too" phablet. The phablet freaks will love it but the rest of us will just shake our heads and by the iPhone 6 that is closest to a reasonable sizer.
1080p is two dimensions not one and it's not worth stick to a resolution just because it's a standard video resolution, it's better for apple to be doing some doubling or tripling of res to get a best ppi for the scale of graphics, this will avoid icons, apps content needing to be rendered again.
Imagine buttons shrinking in an app and becoming too small to click, apple will pick the best res for the transition rather than pandering to 1080p spec hunters
Imagine buttons shrinking in an app and becoming too small to click, apple will pick the best res for the transition rather than pandering to 1080p spec hunters
Where have you seen the bezel exactly? Do you work for Apple?
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5.5" is a 37% larger diagonal than 4".
24" is only 14% larger than 21".
You don't seem to have read my previous post, that's the only thing I can agree with you..
I don't especially see Gruber's prediction as the best, but it's easier for me to agree with his article than with your proposition.
I'm not surprised if all we get is between 1280x720 and 1360x768 on both new sizes (but this 736x414 leak is ofc puzzling). High pixel densities don't seem to mix too well with current razor-thin designs, so I'm not sure we'll get anything with a 3x retina factor yet.
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Because resolution is the only important thing for a display
Erm? Yes? It is, along with it's quality, the Nexus 5 screen has been reviewed as very very very good, for the price of the phone it's astounding, yes it's full 1080P but it's also colourful etc.
And whilst on the point of resolution, why do you think resolutions keep on increasing? Why do you think 4K is being Soooooooo hyped up? Because you get much much much more detail, and it's the same with a phone screen.
If you think resolution doesn't matter, you're under the Apple marketing spell. Tech magazines no longer rate the iPhone and one of the reasons is the screen, and they will do the same if the screen size increases but the PPI goes backwards! Because the competition will be offering MUCH better screens. And these same magazines do not state that about the iPads, instead they praise the screens on those.
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Never defended it's looks; aesthetics are subjective, and your tone of egocentrism was/is humorous.
Additionally, for a protruding camera lense to be a deal-breaker also gave me a chuckle, so thanks for that.
Finally, careful about crying "Troll!" as it can get you a warning from mods.
Hasta luego, Tex.
Actually Android scales the apps itself, it's built into the OS and has been since the very start! Their is no fragmentation with apps on Android due to scaling. Also their is very little fragmentation with hardware features? All I can think of is the Tegra store but the majority of those games are available for non Tegra models and the ones that aren't are less than 20 if that.
Otherwise apps just move along and use the hardware as the should and won't run on older hardware, just like some games on iOS.
Here's hoping the only reason we haven't heard about the 4" flagship iPhone is because the screen isn't very different from existing 4" iPhones so nobody realizes it's for the new phone, yet.
If Apple seriously abandons the 4" form factor, or makes it a low-end phone model, especially after so prominently declaring it the ideal size, I don't know what I'm going to do. But I'm certainly not going to buy a phone I can't fit in my pockets.
If Apple seriously abandons the 4" form factor, or makes it a low-end phone model, especially after so prominently declaring it the ideal size, I don't know what I'm going to do. But I'm certainly not going to buy a phone I can't fit in my pockets.
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If the Android makers thought there was profitable revenue in smaller-screen phones, they'd be on that. They're not Apple. They roll out new models often.
If you believe what you're trying to imply, don't buy the new ones from Apple. Just stand by. If there are enough that do that, Android will try to fill the hole left by Apple and Apple will realize their "mistake" and probably roll out a 6 or 6s at 4". But personally, I don't expect that to happen. Sure, there will be a handful whining about the potential end of "one-handed use" and refusing to buy >4" even if Apple tries to pull them on up to 4.7". But once Apple formally endorses the new sizes as the new "chosen" sizes, much of those arguing similarly now will just go right with Apple.
We already saw this happen in the hop from the formerly "perfect" size of 3.5" to 4". We even saw a lot of the same arguments against the 4" iPhone rumors. Then, Apple rolled out 4" deemed as the new "perfect" while taking pokes at Androids bigger than 4" as too big. What did the 3.5"-or-bust and "Apple would never" crowd do? Jumped right onto 4" and gushed about it. It will be the same this time. Gripes, complaints, "need bigger pockets", "one-handed use", "fragmentation", blah, blah, blah right into the launch… then, "shut up and take my money", "how did we ever get by with those puny screens", "best iPhones ever", "…but as soon as I actually got to see one", etc.
And apparently, all of our pants pockets will magically evolve overnight.
I'm all for non standard resolutions if they can give us a better experience, but in this case I think 1080p would be perfect for both 4.7 and 5.5. 1080p is 640x360 points @3x so it gives more usable space, more sharpness and slightly bigger touch targets on 4.7 (more on 5.5).
He is also getting revenue from the Deck advertising network. And don't underestimate podcasts. ATP charges $3500 per sponsorship per week (with usual two sponsors per podcast). Though podcast revenue will be split among at least two people.
If the Android makers thought there was profitable revenue in smaller-screen phones, they'd be on that. They're not Apple. They roll out new models often.
If you believe what you're trying to imply, don't buy the new ones from Apple. Just stand by. If there are enough that do that, Android will try to fill the hole left by Apple and Apple will realize their "mistake" and probably roll out a 6 or 6s at 4". But personally, I don't expect that to happen. Sure, there will be a handful whining about the potential end of "one-handed use" and refusing to buy >4" even if Apple tries to pull them on up to 4.7". But once Apple formally endorses the new sizes as the new "chosen" sizes, much of those arguing similarly now will just go right with Apple.
We already saw this happen in the hop from the formerly "perfect" size of 3.5" to 4". We even saw a lot of the same arguments against the 4" iPhone rumors. Then, Apple rolled out 4" deemed as the new "perfect" while taking pokes at Androids bigger than 4" as too big. What did the 3.5"-or-bust and "Apple would never" crowd do? Jumped right onto 4" and gushed about it. It will be the same this time. Gripes, complaints, "need bigger pockets", "one-handed use", "fragmentation", blah, blah, blah right into the launch then, "shut up and take my money", "how did we ever get by with those puny screens", "best iPhones ever", " but as soon as I actually got to see one", etc.
And apparently, all of our pants pockets will magically evolve overnight.
Couldn't agree more. Anyway, a lot of Apple users invested a ton in their ecosystem and the vast majority of them really prefer iOS. There is not going to be any 4" new iPhone. Apple is releasing a bigger display, so what do we do? Switch to Android? Keep the 5/5S until they become unusable? It shouldn't take more than one year from now for that to happen.
I hate big phones, but right now, I do not know any flagship phone in the industry to have less than 5". Everybody is making gigantic phones - Apple's going that way, too. But at the end of the day, this is not a compelling reason to switch. If every other phone in the market is huge, why buy something else than what you like?
Even so, being an Apple user myself, I strongly dislike those who permanently stand by Apple's so-called principles. Apple changes their mind really often. What they say at a certain moment may be completely irrelevant one year later. It happened a lot of times.
HobeSoundDarryl
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Yes, but I'll again point out that while some see these as phones- even "really big phones"- usage of them can be much more for "the rest" (the non-phone features). If you temporarily dismiss the phone functionality in your mind, what are you left with? Relatively powerful & pocketable little computers.
Of course there are lots of people that use the phone functionality a lot but almost every time I see someone using these things, it's away from the ear. Gaming, apps, maps, web, etc.- functionality that will likely be enhanced with a little more screen real estate.
If one thinks about it as a phone, these may indeed seem "really big". If one thinks about it mostly for the "rest", they're really small but not "too small" as 4" may seem when doing anything other than taking or making calls.
Of course there are lots of people that use the phone functionality a lot but almost every time I see someone using these things, it's away from the ear. Gaming, apps, maps, web, etc.- functionality that will likely be enhanced with a little more screen real estate.
If one thinks about it as a phone, these may indeed seem "really big". If one thinks about it mostly for the "rest", they're really small but not "too small" as 4" may seem when doing anything other than taking or making calls.
It is being hyped up on 80" TVs, not 5" phones
Those kind of resolutions, including much smaller 2K (for ex. on G3, and note 4) are just that... hype;pure marketing. 1080p (on Android devices not using pentile) is more than enough (unless we're talking about tablets). Personally, iPhone's 326 ppi is good enough for most people, including me (and no I'm not 60 years old). It will be even better on a bigger screen (4,7"). If they were to increase resolution to 1080p, it would also be fine (if developers are fast enough with app updates). Anything more (on a 4,7" iPhone) is just stupid and wasteful.And what makes you think that ppi will go down in the first place??
I don' t get this gruber guy.
At first he is talking about 667x375 @2 for the 4.7
And then he' s talking about 736x414@3 for the 5.5.
So they are adding 2 new developers res? Next to 568x320 and 480x320?
Why wouln' t they simplify this.
For example :
4.7 is 667x375@2 =1334x750=326 ppi
5.5 is 667x375@3= 2001x1125=416 ppi
Makes more sense to me. Instead of adding 2 more dev res. Adding just one.
About the 736x414. Perhaps for the iwatch? Or a 4.7 at 1472x828 and the 5.5 at 2208x1242
At first he is talking about 667x375 @2 for the 4.7
And then he' s talking about 736x414@3 for the 5.5.
So they are adding 2 new developers res? Next to 568x320 and 480x320?
Why wouln' t they simplify this.
For example :
4.7 is 667x375@2 =1334x750=326 ppi
5.5 is 667x375@3= 2001x1125=416 ppi
Makes more sense to me. Instead of adding 2 more dev res. Adding just one.
About the 736x414. Perhaps for the iwatch? Or a 4.7 at 1472x828 and the 5.5 at 2208x1242
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If the 5.5 has the same points as the 4.7, there won't be extra information on the screen, everything will just look larger