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Sounds like developing 3x assets will be tedious. Apps may look subtly different @2x versus @3x because of course they are not multiples of each other.

All positioning is still done in points (original iPhone pixels) and the assets will be multiples of that. App developers should have the original graphics in even higher resolution and always scale down for 1x, 2x, 3x etc. After the iPhone 4 there should be no concept of a single pixel line in any artwork.
 
I found that supporting both 3.5" and 4" is very annoying. Even after I did that, I tested and had my app working for both in the simulator, but when I released it on the store, it was different somehow! There's now a button on the info page that you can't press. Luckily, that page just has legal info and whatever on it and isn't necessary, but still.

Boo Hoo! You're obviously not a good dev if you can't figure out a way to support only two different screen sizes. Looks like with the two new sizes your app will be non existing.
 
I don't quite understand the 5.5" bandwagon. I mean we've all seen the galaxy note. it's just way too big to be a functional phone.

just like a 27" MacBook Pro wouldnt be very practical, after a point it just becomes too much and nonsensical really. a phone in the 4" range seems good. any bigger and you need a tablet, not a phone. thoughts?
Except millions of people use it everyday with no issues along with the other OEMS phones around that size. It functions just fine if not better because you can actually do more.
 
Mmmm... I just like that the 4.7 has nice small bezels, if the bezels are nice and small like that, I will be pretty satisfied.

Most of these comments are still making more worried/annoyed that Apple would make two iPhone 6's, but one wouldn't be the flagship, like considerably lower specs, etc... I still can't understand why they would make 2 iPhones that are titled "iPhone 6" but one really isn't the "flagship" iPhone 6. What the heck? I guess I just don't want to get what would essentially be "the next iPhone 5C" like someone said... I really... REALLY... Do not want a freaking 5.5 inch screen. Please don't make me regret getting the 4.7, Apple. Please don't.

This is my fear exactly. I want a 4.7" iPhone 6 with all the bells and whistles. 5.5" is just too big for me. 4.7" is the size Ive always wanted. I will be so pissed if the 4.7" is considered the "6C". If this happens I will most likely get the 5.5" and just deal with it. But I won't be happy. I just can't see apple making the huge 5.5" their flagship device. They can't be that stupid. And I don't think they will be. We will get 2 new sizes to choose from, but they will be the same as far as features go. Can't wait until sept 9th.
 
Why don't you want to hear from Gruber but you spend time on this site? He is one of the few people I actually care to read what he has to say.

I listen to his podcast and I don't find his cohost helping the cause. One should look at both ends of things. Gruber and his host are all apple is great and it's trash. Gruber would be better served if he actually had more facts than "insight" on many of his shows.

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John Gruber, prominent Apple journalist. Good humor for a Sunday morning.

Journalist is giving him to much credit. He didn't go to school for it. He's a blogger.

Like what we are doing now
 
What kind of internet browsing and productivity apps are you using that don't work on a 4" screen but suddenly work perfectly on a screen that's only 1-1.5" bigger? This argument has never made sense to me.

I myself almost never use my iPhone as a phone, as I mostly use it for stuff like Internet browsing, ebooks, mail/text, maps and music player.
The 3.5" iPhone was perfect for that; that screen size sucks for office apps, but 5" is not much of an improvement for apps that require at least 10" or so.

Phablets are the SUV of smartphones.

Once you use a phone that has a 5.5" screen full time for a few months you'll understand. The amount of reading I do and multimedia I consume and the emails I read and respond to and the documents I create and the social media I do and the financial biz I control and the health apps I run and.......I could go on forever but you get the point. It's so much faster, better and easier to do with a lager screen WITHOUT having to carry and worry about two devices.

I for one can't wait for the 5.5" screen iPhone. I'll also be buying the Note 4 and have the best of both worlds. Although I won't carry them at the same time.
 
C'mon Sept. 9th! Why does it take forever for the bloody calendar to change?
 
Have you tried it? I have, and while it was indeed better on a 6"+ Sony Xperia Z (I don't remember the exact name) it was far from getting anywhere close to being really usable. I'm used to a dual monitor setup and working on spreadsheets or presentations on a sub 15" screen is often a frustrating experience.

Same thing with movies. Some people will argue that watching a movie on a phablet is a better experience than on an iPhone, but really it's like saying that having only one leg amputated is better than cutting both. I'd rather read a book than watching movies on such small screens.

I only read ebooks and digital comics which are dynamically resized to fit my screen. Reading them on an iPad (or an Android tablet) does indeed make a big change. However, the difference between reading them on my iPhone 5s and my friend's Galaxy S4 is almost insignificant to the eyes and certainly not worth the increased size and the man purse needed it to carry it.

There is so much more to it than that tho. Plus, it fits in every single pocket I own just fine. I wear a suit and jeans and shorts and it fits all just fine. Get the smaller phone and let us have what we would like.
 
Sounds like developing 3x assets will be tedious. Apps may look subtly different @2x versus @3x because of course they are not multiples of each other.

I can already hear my company's graphic designer grown...

On top of that, it will make the app larger with the 1x, @2x and @3x assets. Maybe during installation, a clean-up of non-needed assets will occur.

Time to hunt for [UIScreen mainScreen].scale just to see if I did something stupid... Just to take stock, since this is just a rumor.
 
To maintain backward compatibility with current apps. In the meantime, app developers can use this time to redesign their apps to take advantage of the higher resolution and larger display (resulting in more useable space if they so desire).

What's going to happen if developers don't update their apps for 1334x750? Are we going to see an ugly black ring around those apps? Won't that be even worse?

Those devs will get left behind and people will move on to better apps with devs that know how to make great apps. Easy.
 
I listen to his podcast and I don't find his cohost helping the cause. One should look at both ends of things. Gruber and his host are all apple is great and it's trash. Gruber would be better served if he actually had more facts than "insight" on many of his shows.

I've never heard his show, don't know his cohost. However, having "facts" about upcoming apple products is essentially impossible. It's the entire reason sites like this exist and thrive.
 
I listen to his podcast and I don't find his cohost helping the cause. One should look at both ends of things. Gruber and his host are all apple is great and it's trash. Gruber would be better served if he actually had more facts than "insight" on many of his shows.

Cohost? He has guests on his show but I don't think he has a cohost.
 
Why is everyone taking Gruber's opinion as gospel. It's just his opinion.

The 4.7 inch iphone will be the 'main' seller for Apple. All these rumors about specs being better or greater for the 5.5 model are most likely false.

A 5.5 inch iphone will be the 'niche' iphone. Not the mass market monster of the 4.7 inch. And no the 4.7 inch iphone will be just as premium as the 5.5. Only difference is the screen size.

No it's not the new 5c. :rolleyes:
 
This is my fear exactly. I want a 4.7" iPhone 6 with all the bells and whistles. 5.5" is just too big for me. 4.7" is the size Ive always wanted. I will be so pissed if the 4.7" is considered the "6C". If this happens I will most likely get the 5.5" and just deal with it. But I won't be happy. I just can't see apple making the huge 5.5" their flagship device. They can't be that stupid. And I don't think they will be. We will get 2 new sizes to choose from, but they will be the same as far as features go. Can't wait until sept 9th.

If Apple makes the 4.7" device the mid-tier and 5.5" the flagship then I'll just keep my 5s and see what Apple does next year. Hopefully they're not stupid and follow the iPad model where basically the only differences are screen size and battery.

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Why is everyone taking Gruber's opinion as gospel. It's just his opinion.

The 4.7 inch iphone will be the 'main' seller for Apple. All these rumors about specs being better or greater for the 5.5 model are most likely false.

A 5.5 inch iphone will be the 'niche' iphone. Not the mass market monster of the 4.7 inch. And no the 4.7 inch iphone will be just as premium as the 5.5. Only difference is the screen size.

No it's not the new 5c. :rolleyes:

I hope not. Benedict Evans recently tweeted that his research shows roughly 16% of smartphones are phablet size. Also tweeted that phablets are not big sellers in the US.
 
Point-for-point :(

I need text to appear bigger on websites. Who cares about having the sharpest 3-point type of any mobile device?
 
Well they can spin it anyway they want, that 4.6" really needs a better then 1080P screen otherwise I'll just laugh to myself how my Nexus 5 has a much better screen, for half the cost. Meanwhile Apple will laugh all the way to the bank.

And that 5.5" model will find it tough in it's market place without having one of THE best screens out there. Because the competition are currently running at 2K resolution.
 
Thankyou! What about at 2208 x 1242 - Is that res buried in the Xcode beta as well?

I didn't use Xcode to show that, it's just a mockup I made a while ago.
Someone with Xcode should actually run it at those resolutions so we can see.
 
There is so much more to it than that tho. Plus, it fits in every single pocket I own just fine. I wear a suit and jeans and shorts and it fits all just fine. Get the smaller phone and let us have what we would like.
I'm glad that you like phablets. I'd be happy if there were different sizes of phones on the market, just like with laptops, but it definitely looks like we'll all have to be carrying man purses.
 
All positioning is still done in points (original iPhone pixels) and the assets will be multiples of that. App developers should have the original graphics in even higher resolution and always scale down for 1x, 2x, 3x etc. After the iPhone 4 there should be no concept of a single pixel line in any artwork.

I see what you mean. Gruber's example was:

Moving to @3x from @2x is actually quite a bit trickier than moving from @1x to @2x was, because the math is no longer tidy. When you double, everything remains an even number. @3x leads to odd numbers. For example, what do you do with a 3-pixel wide stroke from your @2x interface? You can’t render it at 4.5 pixels, so you have choose between rendering it at 4 or 5 pixels, making it slightly thinner or thicker.

What you are saying is there should't be any 3-pixel strokes in any @2x assets, or any odd numbered assets in @2x? Everything should start with @1x and be multiples of that. It would certainly make designing easier.
 
4.7 = the new 5c

Makes no sense. The iPhone 5S and the 5 were the best selling phones in the world, despite the fact of the Note line being in existence. Do you honestly expect Apple to drop that and make a phablet on 5.5 inches to be the flagship device?

Phablets might have a market share Apple wants to get a piece of. But why would they ever think that making a phablet as their flagship, would be a wise decision given that the best selling phones aren't phablets?

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Why is everyone taking Gruber's opinion as gospel. It's just his opinion.

The 4.7 inch iphone will be the 'main' seller for Apple. All these rumors about specs being better or greater for the 5.5 model are most likely false.

A 5.5 inch iphone will be the 'niche' iphone. Not the mass market monster of the 4.7 inch. And no the 4.7 inch iphone will be just as premium as the 5.5. Only difference is the screen size.

No it's not the new 5c. :rolleyes:

Exactly.
 
Once you use a phone that has a 5.5" screen full time for a few months you'll understand. The amount of reading I do and multimedia I consume and the emails I read and respond to and the documents I create and the social media I do and the financial biz I control and the health apps I run and.......I could go on forever but you get the point. It's so much faster, better and easier to do with a lager screen WITHOUT having to carry and worry about two devices.
I get the point that you like carrying and flashing around a phablet. I understand that some people like bigger screens; I'll probably need one when my eyesight goes and I can't read smaller text anymore. But the difference between a 5.5" screen and a 4" screen for office apps is insignificant. It's basically like when I got my second monitor replaced from a 21" to a 24" screen. It's a bit bigger, it's nice, but it's nothing to write home about.
 
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