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Why do they make the bezel on the top and bottom bigger on the 5.5 ?

With the extra bezel it makes it look like a 6 inch phone. It's needless space

It's like they WANT that model to sell poorly so they can say "See , told you so"

Those are not real phones. (except for the 5s obviously).

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Well they can spin it anyway they want, that 4.6" really needs a better then 1080P screen otherwise I'll just laugh to myself how my Nexus 5 has a much better screen, for half the cost. Meanwhile Apple will laugh all the way to the bank.

And that 5.5" model will find it tough in it's market place without having one of THE best screens out there. Because the competition are currently running at 2K resolution.

Because resolution is the only important thing for a display :rolleyes:
 
I'm glad that you like phablets. I'd be happy if there were different sizes of phones on the market, just like with laptops, but it definitely looks like we'll all have to be carrying man purses.

Or not. I've used every OEM's phone of this size range and don't have any trouble carrying them around. Either do other people.

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I get the point that you like carrying and flashing around a phablet. I understand that some people like bigger screens; I'll probably need one when my eyesight goes and I can't read smaller text anymore. But the difference between a 5.5" screen and a 4" screen for office apps is insignificant. It's basically like when I got my second monitor replaced from a 21" to a 24" screen. It's a bit bigger, it's nice, but it's nothing to write home about.

Once again. False. When I use the 4" iPhone to read pdf's for schematics that I have to do, it's more painful to use than the Note 3 that I'm currently using. So much easier to read and use (and write on for that matter) than the iPhone 5S I have.
 
Then you're going to have issues with any of the new phones, because the width is going to be increasing.

It'll be increasing less than if they made the aspect ratio less than 16:9. Personally, I'm not buying any new iPhones, especially not the big ones.

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Boo Hoo! You're obviously not a good dev if you can't figure out a way to support only two different screen sizes. Looks like with the two new sizes your app will be non existing.

Actually, I didn't bother doing the math. Now I checked, and the new screen sizes are nearly 16:9, so it's not an issue. It's not just about making things work. You're sometimes more limited in what you can do when you have to support both 3.5" and 4".

By the way, it's not that I couldn't figure it out. I only found the problem after it was released (since I had no 3.5" iPhone for testing) and didn't want to release an immediate update to fix the useless info page on 3.5" devices.
 
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In my opinion, neither will be the flagship, they will coexist as one iPhone 6 with 2 different screen options. The screen size will just be something you choose like the storage space. Think about the 21.5" and 27" iMac.
 
In my opinion, neither will be the flagship, they will coexist as one iPhone 6 with 2 different screen options. The screen size will just be something you choose like the storage space. Think about the 21.5" and 27" iMac.

The 27" iMac is configurable with a faster processor and more RAM than the 21.5" is, so I actually do consider it the flagship iMac.
 
Journalist is giving him to much credit. He didn't go to school for it. He's a blogger.

Like what we are doing now

Yes, I was being tongue in cheek.

But Journalism isn't a licensed profession like CPA, lawyer, Dr., cosmetologist,etc. A formal education isn't required to sit for an exam & earn a license to practice, but sticking to facts and remaining objective is. (Or at least traditionally). A blogger can be a journalist if all he or she does is report all the facts available & properly sourced rather than pontificate their opinion. But most bloggers do just mask their opinion as fact. That's the problem. Unfortunately too many traditional journalist do too.
 
Why don't you want to hear from Gruber but you spend time on this site? He is one of the few people I actually care to read what he has to say.

He's a useful idiot. He frequents a rumor site but when someone else actually provides a detailed breakdown of their opinion - they need to shut up.

Originally Posted by kenroberts83 View Post
This is just some dude's guess. No more newsworthy than most of the comments here.

Just like this guy - because you come across so many detailed posts here on MR with examples and analysis to back up their assumptions.

"Journalist" connotes a certain level of non-bias. Perhaps "blogger", "writer" or "advocate" would be better descriptors.
Except that is never true in real life...it is mentally and conceptually impossible to create a human being that doesn't have a bias. The very nature of journalism, reporting, is a bias. It's not a bad thing, its liberating.

So basically, Gruber knows nothing
God forbid you frequent a site that more often than not regurgitates things they know nothing about.
 
You can't use a 2x retina factor with a noticeably higher pixel density as you propose, you'd break usability of every app regarding touch target and size of content.

But that's exactly what Apple already did with the iPad mini.

We're only talking a slight increase in pixel density here. Much less, in fact, than the difference between the iPad and iPad mini.

Besides, legacy apps will presumably just be scaled up anyway - so their touch targets will be bigger than on the 5s.

Modern apps can use autolayout, dynamic type, etc to present the appropriate sizes of text and controls for each display.
 
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Just FYI, unlike the US, the "standard" size for female are 5"+ in Asia because they only want to carry 1 device in their purse and the screen has to be large enough to watch Chinese Drama/Korean drama/Japan Drama/Movie ..etc. (The main functionality using a smartphone in Asia for the female)

It's for texting.

Good luck.
 
Yes, I was being tongue in cheek.

But Journalism isn't a licensed profession like CPA, lawyer, Dr., cosmetologist,etc. A formal education isn't required to sit for an exam & earn a license to practice, but sticking to facts and remaining objective is. (Or at least traditionally). A blogger can be a journalist if all he or she does is report all the facts available & properly sourced rather than pontificate their opinion. But most bloggers do just mask their opinion as fact. That's the problem. Unfortunately too many traditional journalist do too.

hah I know you were kidding but some other macrumor readers may believe he's a journalist.

he's an apple fanboy drunk on koolaid.
 
I'm sure Apple will take that into consideration. All current plans will be scrapped and "playing their cards right" in your mind will become their #1 directive in their insatiable quest for your satisfaction.
I can detect your sarcasm but tell me what is aesthetically pleasing about a protruding camera lens? Surely Jony Ivy isn't willing to sacrifice aesthetics for thinness. When's the last time you heard someone say "If only the iPhone was thinner."? Troll if you must, but I know I'm not the only one here that feels this way.
 
What kind of internet browsing and productivity apps are you using that don't work on a 4" screen but suddenly work perfectly on a screen that's only 1-1.5" bigger? This argument has never made sense to me.

It has not made sense because you refuse to understand! A 5.5" iPhone will have a screen almost 100% bigger not 1.5".

Thats like saying I don't know why someone would buy a 16" pizza for 14$ when an 8" pizza are 10$ for two. They are so dumb and I can't see why they are paying 4$ more for no reason.

The answer is simple grade school geometry, for $4 more you get twice the amount of pizza.

For an extra 1.5" you get an 88% bigger screen!
 
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Here's what I think we'll see:

iPhone 5s: 1136 x 640 (326 ppi)
iPhone 6 4.7": 1472 x 828 (360 ppi)
iPhone 6 5.5": 1472 x 828 (307 ppi)

As both a developer and an iPhone user, I hope you're right about this. I'd be perfectly happy with it, I really don't think a phone needs ~2K resolution. Doing so has consequences for either performance or battery life which just aren't worth it IMO. In a year or two when supporting these resolutions has minimal negative impact, sure, bump it up, but for now 1472x828 would still look great and works for both new sizes.
 
But that's exactly what Apple already did with the iPad mini.

We're only talking a slight increase in pixel density here. Much less, in fact, than the difference between the iPad and iPad mini.
No, read again my post. You can't expect to use comfortably current iOS apps with a sensibly higher pixel density than the current 326 ppi. You quote only one line.
It worked with the 9.7" -> 7.9" transition on iPads only because Apple exactly chose 163/326 ppi for the mini (coming from 132/264 ppi).
10% higher pixel density mean everything will display 10% smaller and touch target will all be 10% smaller. That doesn't sound like a good plan.
You can't compare with the two iPads situation: every apps were already written wrt to HIG for a 163/326 ppi screen but used until the mini only on 132/264 ppi devices.
And here you're going with a larger screen, not a smaller one.

Besides, legacy apps will presumably just be scaled up anyway - so their touch targets will be bigger than on the 5s.

Modern apps can use autolayout, dynamic type, etc to present the appropriate sizes of text and controls for each display.
Too complicated.
You'd have now with new pixel densities (you had 326, and you now introduce new ones on the 4.7" and 5.5") to redefine the HIG and minimal touch target, etc. Having to take the new 360 ppi as new reference, you'd have not 44 px but 48 px as touch minimal target, would design text and bitmaps accordingly to the new pixel density, etc. And then, it all would look like ass on the 4" with everything getting bigger and would lose crucial space for data on the smaller size (people will still use and buy 4" iPhone next year. They'll even still be the majority of the iPhone installed base).
You'd lose reusability of old resources although you stay at 2x, that's not really a great idea.
It's always far simpler to support a slight zoom in (and do nothing) than a zoom out. Here, all signs point to a 4.7" iPhone with similar or equal pixel density as now.
 
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The 27" iMac is configurable with a faster processor and more RAM than the 21.5" is, so I actually do consider it the flagship iMac.

It has advantages, as the 5.5" iPhone probably will, but isn't marketed as the leading iMac with the 21.5" being a cheaper alternative.
 
He's a useful idiot. He frequents a rumor site but when someone else actually provides a detailed breakdown of their opinion - they need to shut up.

they know nothing about.

Bias is relative to where you are. Even neutral news which is straight in center of the political sphere would seem left wing to an extreme right winger. So, saying the writer is biased is a skewed assessment anyway.

Traditional journalism tries to stick to what is known and nothing else. But, reality itself has its own bias... It doesn't always agree with what we think it it is producing a uncomfortable cognitive dissonance.

And then, there is the selection of what of that reality should be covered, how long should it covered, what titles, etc. The editor in framing that info produces a certain bias that comes from what view we have of this reality.

Even if the news itself is perfectly neutral, its selection may present a bias; the journalists will show the public what sells : dramatic, polarizing events tend to sell more.

IF say you were reporting a on spate of violent white suprematist attacks; those that are pro gun and anti immigration will see that as biased. Often they would then point to some other crime, or subject that should warrant more attention, that they are "unfairly" targetted.

A journal like the New-York Times is a lot more neutral than Fox, but they still have to sell to their public. So, they tend to be much more progressive in what they choose to report.
 
Millions and millions of people have wanted >5" so badly they chose Android over iOS to get it. And a chunk of them have purchased >6" screens.

How many of those got large Android phones because the smaller ones are basic models with much less power? Sony have started to buck the trend, but even that model didn't come out until the larger version was nearing replacement.
 
What kind of internet browsing and productivity apps are you using that don't work on a 4" screen but suddenly work perfectly on a screen that's only 1-1.5" bigger? This argument has never made sense to me.

I myself almost never use my iPhone as a phone, as I mostly use it for stuff like Internet browsing, ebooks, mail/text, maps and music player.
The 3.5" iPhone was perfect for that; that screen size sucks for office apps, but 5" is not much of an improvement for apps that require at least 10" or so.

Phablets are the SUV of smartphones.

it's not another 1-1.5" which makes it sound like a small increase. as a percentage, it's a huge increase in surface area. the problem is that text is borderline too small on a 4" screen and fingers are too big for tapping. not every website in the world has its own iPhone app that makes it perfect
 
5.5" is the master race, it's better you small handed weaklings come to grips with this then be disappointed later
 
I want to hold both phones in my hand before purchasing.

I found my last (Android 5 inch) phone fatiguing to hold in hand, gave me a hand cramp when attempting to type one-handed. I'm a 6'2" male.

HIGHLY doubt Apple is going to pitch the 5.5 as the standard-bearer iPhone unless they make it easily used by 70%+ of the population. Holding back technology in the 4.7 device, making it "the new 5c" is a terrible mistake.

All that said, the sales of these phones is going to be astronomical and Apple will soon realize how stupidly they stuck to the TINY screens for far too long. All the grumbling and moaners on this forum - if you don't like the larger screens, go buy a flip phone and continue to live in the past.
 
Gruber may be wrong on this one.

Here's what I think we'll see:

iPhone 5s: 1136 x 640 (326 ppi)
iPhone 6 4.7": 1472 x 828 (360 ppi)
iPhone 6 5.5": 1472 x 828 (307 ppi)

Having to support not only a different resolution, but a wildly different ppi on the 5.5" model (which, lets face it, is going to be a relatively niche product compared to other iPhone models) would be a huge palaver for developers. The result for users would be a lot of apps that are glitchy or don't support the 5.5" correctly.

Apple have already shown that having devices with the same resolution but different ppi is not a problem. e.g.: the iPad Air vs iPad mini.

We don't code in screen resolutions on iOS, but aspect ratios. I.e the iPad is 1024x768 in screen co-ordinates. 4 inch displays are 320x568 and the rest 320x480. As long Apple don't change aspect ratios, the apps will work fine, the only thing to be done is add higher resolution images for a more crisp look.
 
Gruber may be wrong on this one.

Here's what I think we'll see:

iPhone 5s: 1136 x 640 (326 ppi)
iPhone 6 4.7": 1472 x 828 (360 ppi)
iPhone 6 5.5": 1472 x 828 (307 ppi)

You are probably closer to the correct specs then the analyst who wrote the original post. all you need to do is look at the Galaxy lineup. The S and the Note are essentially the same phone with the same resolution yet the S models always have a higher PPI than the Note despite having the smaller display. 441 for the S5 vs 386 in the Note 3.
 
It worked with the 9.7" -> 7.9" transition on iPads only because Apple exactly chose 163/326 ppi for the mini (coming from 132/264 ppi).
10% higher pixel density mean everything will display 10% smaller and touch target will all be 10% smaller.

I think you're overestimating the difference that a 10% change in pixel density makes. A control thats 10mm in size now becomes 9mm. (that's assuming the app is updated to support the higher resolution but without making the controls dynamically sized).

But even so, 10% is really not a big deal. It's much smaller than the ~20% difference in ppi between the iPad models. The only time it will ever be an issue is where apps were badly designed in the first place with controls with touch areas that are too small.

Too complicated.

Actually, from a developer perspective, having two new screen resolutions to support would be more complicated.

Two pixel densities, at least for the vast majority of apps, is really not a big deal. I suspect Apple added Dynamic Type in iOS 7 (and improved it in iOS 8) for exactly this reason.

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As long Apple don't change aspect ratios, the apps will work fine, the only thing to be done is add higher resolution images for a more crisp look.

Not really. Legacy apps will scale up, sure. But Apple will encourage apps to support the new resolution natively.

That means making sure that your app can dynamically size itself correctly to handle a range of resolutions, not just adding new images.

There's a reason they added the "Resizable iPhone" device in the Xcode 6 simulator.
 
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