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Let me ask you this: Who the hell cares?

Why is that every smartphone statistic has to turn into a fanboy war?
 
I hope it doesn't go too high. Whats the point of having a better product than someone else, if everyone has an iPhone.

Too late, they're already the phone I see everywhere. Steve got his wish, blue tooth wearing silver hair grandparents are clutching their iPhones as though they're so bloody important. It's a hilarious sight. Anything to be "cool".
 
Too late, they're already the phone I see everywhere. Steve got his wish, blue tooth wearing silver hair grandparents are clutching their iPhones as though they're so bloody important. It's a hilarious sight. Anything to be "cool".

The iPhone is 5% worldwide... 10% in the US... I think it still has a long way to go until it's everywhere.

Also... Windows is 90%... does that make it cool?
 
The iPhone is 5% worldwide... 10% in the US... I think it still has a long way to go until it's everywhere.

Also... Windows is 90%... does that make it cool?

To Apple fantards, it doesn't. I'm a little confused with them about these statistics, I get that their happy that people are buying Iphones but they don't see the 90% for the other phones. Its like they want to see what they only want to see and not the bigger picture.

Like those Korean pop groups performing on big stages and all they do is dance on the center with only an arm's length distance from each other in all sides. Seriously, you have a BIG stage and you can't make your choreography to accommodate and spread yourselves on that big stage? What are you afraid to fall off the stage? Duh, the stage is BIG. You could run a mile across and wide on it.
 
Here's my proof: http://connectedplanetonline.com/mo...-Android-peers-showing-platform-matters-1011/

Now go back to picking lint out of your belly button... :)

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It doesn't really matter as long as there are so many lemmings in the world.

It's a well-known fact that half the populations is below average intelligence, so they can't recognize a better thing when it comes along and will buy whatever the other lemmings buy. :D

1) That survey doesnt show what you claimed
2) Correct me if i am wrong, but if we exclude tablets, Android has a larger share than iOS (i.e. phone v. phone).
3) We have no data indicating that half of the population is below average intelligence. You're confusing intelligence with bell curve distribution of IQ with, or something.

p.s. with lemmings you're talking about iphone, yes?

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Let me ask you this: Who the hell cares?

Why is that every smartphone statistic has to turn into a fanboy war?

my guess: inferiority complex en masse.

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You guys DID forget that in one of Steve's interviews he says by his analysis that people use apps for information/purchases more than the browser when using the iPhone.

By my analysis Steve was usually lying, even when he was not.
 
I can't imagine some people still accuse iPhone owners for buying iPhones purely because of "coolness", wow.... don't live in a cave, it's 2011 now.

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Let me ask you this: Who the hell cares?

Why is that every smartphone statistic has to turn into a fanboy war?
I don't see many iPhone users starting or replying to threads in an Android fan site accusing the Android fans buying their Android phones because of "coolness". I see the other way round :).
 
I can't imagine some people still accuse iPhone owners for buying iPhones purely because of "coolness", wow.... don't live in a cave, it's 2011 now.

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I don't see many iPhone users starting or replying to threads in an Android fan site accusing the Android fans buying their Android phones because of "coolness". I see the other way round :).

I can't imagine some people still accuse Android owners for buying Androids purely because of "cheapness", wow.... don't live in a cave, it's 2011 now.

p.s.

Brand, or rather identity shopping is huge. Apple is no exception. No wonder either. People seem quite soulless nowadays.
 
I can't imagine some people still accuse Android owners for buying Androids purely because of "cheapness", wow.... don't live in a cave, it's 2011 now.

p.s.

Brand, or rather identity shopping is huge. Apple is no exception. No wonder either. People seem quite soulless nowadays.
Welcome to capitalism :p
 
To Apple fantards

Wrong site.

I think you meant to go here:

http://www.winsupersite.com/

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27% of the market using a highly consistent, well integrated and matured product economy (iPhone) beats 44% of a fractured and inconsistently integrated multi-vendor product line (Android) any day.

There are good devices in the Android realm, and some dogs and poor cousins. Lumping all vendors as one against iPhone skews the relative fairness of the chart (an observation, not a complaint). As a consumer I'm not bolted to every product Apple makes, but I like most of it and use it if I can. I like the idea of Android and it's interesting to see the variety of devices using it, but few are directly comparable to iPhone, the numbers might be more like: iPhone 27% vs equivalent Android devices 10% (more? less?).

Very well said. This is exactly what's going on.
 
4.6% growth for Android compared to .8% for iOS? Ouch. Looking forward to how the fanboys are going to argue that a slower growth rate and a lower market share is actually better for Apple.

Android suffers from the same problem that ultimately spelled doom for earlier Smartphone platforms: Possession without utilization.

That 24% of the market that uses iPhones makes up by far the largest share of online data usage. Meaning that iPhone users - in general - are far more likely to find value in owning the phone and the service.

Symbian and RIM, the previous smartphone market leaders, also at one point had very high levels of possession. But their use of data services was generally very low. This implied that the value of their platform was correspondingly low, and hence vulnerable.

Thats the problem Android has right now: There are a lot of Android phones in people's hands. But they aren't using them for activities that benefit Google, or the people who develop Android applications.
 
Android suffers from the same problem that ultimately spelled doom for earlier Smartphone platforms: Possession without utilization.

That 24% of the market that uses iPhones makes up by far the largest share of online data usage. Meaning that iPhone users - in general - are far more likely to find value in owning the phone and the service.

Symbian and RIM, the previous smartphone market leaders, also at one point had very high levels of possession. But their use of data services was generally very low. This implied that the value of their platform was correspondingly low, and hence vulnerable.

Thats the problem Android has right now: There are a lot of Android phones in people's hands. But they aren't using them for activities that benefit Google, or the people who develop Android applications.

1) Dont get me wrong, but that report looked quite sketchy. From my glance, Android had higher scores on ad-impressions, and browsing, but were still failed because people did not utilize airport and inflight wifi services as much? Really? Please tell me i read it poorly, because that made little sense :- )

2) According to the survey whoever posted, when excluding tablets, Android and iOS seem to run fairly equal when it comes to "online use" (or, browsing on certain tracked pages - which i guess correspond better to what data they are actually looking at).

3) Even if people did browse the net more with their iphone, the conclusion that this means that people find their iOS device more valuable is quite simply impossible to make.


In the end, i think your underlying point of reasoning is somewhat correct. But the way your argument and data is presented, well... yeah.
 
Having more marketshare is a great bulletpoint on a chart... but it means little in the grand scheme of things.

Windows marketshare > mac marketshare. In the grand scheme of things it means macs need to be able to run windows, not the other way around.
 
I fail to see how this is impressive. I'd guess 90% of U.S Personal Computer users are now on Windows. That's fairly impressive.

If the iPhone hits 50%, I'll begin to be impressed.

Their market share of cell phone profits (not smartphone profits, cell phone profits) rose from 47% 2 quarters ago to 52% last quarter. That's impressive.

My point is that Apple is doing an incredible job selling pricey phones. The minimum subsidy is $375 on the iPhone 3GS, a 2 year old phone. On all other models, Apple is getting carriers to cough up $450 vs $350 on other phones. That's why the iPhone 4S starts at $199 on contract vs $299 for most Android phones in its same class. Sure, you can get a $199 or even "free" Android phone, but those typically are not in the same league as the 4S or Galaxy SII.
 
Why not use a cross-platform messaging solution (e.g. WhatsApp) that does the exact same thing but reaches say, 99% of the market instead? Same goes for Facetime, really. If anything, these proprietary jumps made by Apple are... stupid. Or rather, it is stupid that users so happily adopt them.

I understand what you're getting at, but it's hard enough to get people to upgrade to iOS 5 let alone install and use a third party messaging app. iMessage's tight integration into iOS gives it superior usability even though it's not cross platform.

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There was a time over 100 years ago when buying a home or business phone was questionable since hardly anyone had them too...it was like the ghostbusters song, "Who you gonna call?"

The problem you bring us will go away as tens-of-millions of new iMessage people will join you each year.

"Who you gonna iMessage?" / "Not as many people as are eligible to upgrade to iOS 5!"

I don't think I really brought the problem, but I do agree that iMessage adoption will grow. And, because of its design, a lot of people will start using before they even know.
 
But..the more sales just means Android is more innovative, right *LTD*?

No, it means Google has a big spatula to spread their crap around to OEMs. Anyone can sell on universal licensing + volume + price.

Just look at ZTE and Huawei. *gag*

(and ZTE commands a big share of the Android market)
 
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rofl... Keep looking for excuses, story shifts, imaginary friends and all that crap... Fact is you will never twist a fact. How stupid do you need to be to try to conquest that??

What fact is there to twist?

Over 10% of US mobile phone users are now on a closed, unlicensed, highly-vetted, comparatively expensive platform comprised of one or at most two models of phone.

It doesn't get much more impressive that that.
 
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What fact is there to twist?

Over 10% of US mobile phone users are now on a closed, unlicensed, highly-vetted, comparatively expensive platform comprised of one or at most two models of phone.

It doesn't get much more impressive that that.

It's absolutely amazing how you perceive information.

That post you quoted... (FYI Red - fact, pink - lunatics vision/****** math student)

27% of the market using a highly consistent, well integrated and matured product economy (iPhone) beats 44% of a fractured and inconsistently integrated multi-vendor product line (Android) any day.

There are good devices in the Android realm, and some dogs and poor cousins. Lumping all vendors as one against iPhone skews the relative fairness of the chart (an observation, not a complaint). As a consumer I'm not bolted to every product Apple makes, but I like most of it and use it if I can. I like the idea of Android and it's interesting to see the variety of devices using it, but few are directly comparable to iPhone, the numbers might be more like: iPhone 27% vs equivalent Android devices 10% (more? less?).

All you do is try to find a excuse, some sort of miraculous, gravity defying, groundbreaking and magical way to tell yourselves that your beloved phone does, makes, gets something that it CLEARLY as ******** isn't rofl.

How do you do that lol??

I don't care about your ideals. i just wonder how do you manage to come up with such stuff (I'm not gonna even ask wtf for in the first place but that's a different story) because no matter what you think this whole "theory" it's just a nice tale.
Facts are called facts for a reason. You ever thought about that?
 
Data is not correct

Data in the table for the comparison is not correct. In the "June-11", the total percetile is 77.9%, and this number is 77%. it should have a row of "others", isnt it?
 
I understand what you're getting at, but it's hard enough to get people to upgrade to iOS 5 let alone install and use a third party messaging app. iMessage's tight integration into iOS gives it superior usability even though it's not cross platform.

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"Who you gonna iMessage?" / "Not as many people as are eligible to upgrade to iOS 5!"

I don't think I really brought the problem, but I do agree that iMessage adoption will grow. And, because of its design, a lot of people will start using before they even know.

Since i cant contact most of the people using it, and thus need a fall back solution anyway, its not more usable at all. Its just the usual Apple bs. Really. Stop making excuses for it.

I actually dont know a single person who has Facetime/iMessage that use it. They all use "something else".
 
Since i cant contact most of the people using it, and thus need a fall back solution anyway, its not more usable at all. Its just the usual Apple bs. Really. Stop making excuses for it.

I actually dont know a single person who has Facetime/iMessage that use it. They all use "something else".

Skype and Yahoo have much better cross platform integration than iMessage/facetime on iOS devices.
I actually use facetime with one person on occasion but in my case it makes about 10% of all my video calls at most.
Also I use Yahoo on 3G and it freaking kills with video/audio quality.
All foreign country calls ar handled by skype and again on 3G, talk is always smooth.
Apple really wants to close that ecosystem across all devices. If you ask me it isn't working much at this time and I wonder if they have enough momentum to change this in the future. Selling a lot of devices is one thing but unless they make it cross platform it will never really click.
 
Skype and Yahoo have much better cross platform integration than iMessage/facetime on iOS devices.
I actually use facetime with one person on occasion but in my case it makes about 10% of all my video calls at most.
Also I use Yahoo on 3G and it freaking kills with video/audio quality.
All foreign country calls ar handled by skype and again on 3G, talk is always smooth.
Apple really wants to close that ecosystem across all devices. If you ask me it isn't working much at this time and I wonder if they have enough momentum to change this in the future. Selling a lot of devices is one thing but unless they make it cross platform it will never really click.

And, they want to do so even at the expense of the user (for the sake of even more profits). This is my main beef with this company. I dont want to ONLY have Apple products, and i dont ONLY want to communicate with others that do. Hopefully, with Jobs out of the picture, this crazy mentality will slowly fade away.
 
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