Da title of your thread is "MACBOOK" in capital letters not MACBOOK PRO in capital letters see the difference? Its pretty clear. Don't like the price of Macs? I have a very simple solution DON'T BUY ONE.
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Da title of your thread is "MACBOOK" in capital letters not MACBOOK PRO in capital letters see the difference? Its pretty clear. Don't like the price of Macs? I have a very simple solution DON'T BUY ONE.
Now you’re just being pedantic. If you read the post, it says MacBook Pro. Are you gonna complain that I didn’t put the whole post in the title next?
Also I wasn’t planning on buying one, like I’ve already said.
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I agree there, the US have it easy. MacBook Pro’s in UK are ridiculously priced, even the Airs are overpriced for what you get. I only bought my MacBook Air because my laptop died just before exams and I could get 15% student discount!
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i think ur missing the point, macbook is an entirely different model, which imo is not overpriced, in fact macbook is always heavily discounted. theres always hot deals floating around for macbooks.
macbook PRO on the otherhand is a tad overpriced, again you have to look at the options, a base 13inch mbp with touchbar is around 1500, if you choose to go all the way to the top end model than yeah its more,
also consider if your in uk and eu. where everything is more expensive. ur paying for VAT, import, custom, healthcare, tax, etc. so obviously apple drives up the cost to make up its loss for paying all these fees. your gov't is partly to be blamed for the high cost.
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The price is always jacked up at the start of a design cycle to pay for the R&D costs of the new design, it tends to come down with subsequent re-releases of the same body shell with new innards. At this point, all I’d say is that the £2,349 base 15” touchbar model should come with 512GB storage and if they’re going to keep the 2015 model around as the cheaper entry level they should at least have bumped it to 5th gen Broadwell (the last generation with iris pro H series chips) and maybe trimmed it’s price slightly.
Yukari wrote:
"I think Apple's prices are high also. But they have monopoly on using their OS. So they can effectively charge as high as they want as long as there are enough people willing to pay for them."
Line from "Days of Heaven":
"Some folks got more than they need.
Others need more than they got."
"I think Apple's prices are high also. But they have monopoly on using their OS. So they can effectively charge as high as they want as long as there are enough people willing to pay for them."
Line from "Days of Heaven":
"Some folks got more than they need.
Others need more than they got."
Thats because UK prices include tax while US don't
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I do not understand this question. If an employee's salary alone costs something between 50k and 100k per year, what difference does an additional 2k or even 5k make? We are interested in people doing their jobs, so we are getting them tools that allow to do their jobs more efficiently. What is the point of me saving 1k and getting them an underpowered Dell or Lenovo with a crappy screen and 3-4 hour battery life?
2k for a laptop that you will use for at least three years translates to 55 per month. And if getting a premium computer means that you can do your work more efficiently, I don't see how this is not a good investment. Of course, as I wrote previously, if all you want is a facebook machine, then you don't need a premium tool. Some people enjoy having nice things though even if they don't need it, and there is nothing wrong with that.
I think you have it backwards. The majority of users are:
"home user who just needs a facebook machine or a laptop to manage a photo collection, the perspective might be very different. Just as it doesn't make much sense for me to buy an expensive hammer drill tool for my home."
The minority of users are:
"(Since we are constantly on the road between conferences, teaching and meetings)"
I base my opinion on what I read on these forums. Just in this thread alone there are numerous comments about the outrageous cost, about the user who makes a passionate claim about what their older Mac can do, and why can't Apple offer those features in new Macs.
I read the constant complaints and speculation about what Apple should come out with. The complaints about what their current offerings can't do or don't offer. About why can't Apple stay up to date and is always late to the party when offering new features like wireless charging and OLED in their phones, or new processors and memory in their laptops.
To me I see these as emotional outbursts. People want the image of Apple to reflect what they see as their self image.
Don't get me wrong, I have been with Apple a long time. I use multiple Apple products for business. Two businesses actually. It was not without some difficulty for me to integrate my Apple eco-system into my employer's corporate PC based eco-system.
I will continue to use Apple products, but I feel Apple has come to a point when people will start to question the cost versus use. You claim value for the money. Yet many people complain about the cost Apple charges to upgrade memory or HDD's. They took away the ability to upgrade on your own, and will make that much more money because of it. What they call "Pro" is more expensive but still does not compare to the actual pro PC's being offered. Granted not as aesthetically pleasing as Apple, but a better value no doubt. This is especially true in the world of editing and video production.
Many will not spend a $1000 or more for a phone, but many, more will. Just to carry it around in their back pocket and check their email. Many will upgrade every year regardless, just to have the latest and greatest, to maintain a level of status with their friends. Nothing wrong with that, but "Don't project your situation on everyone's else."
I didn’t miss the point. I just didn’t write the whole damn post in the title. I kept it short and focused on the post.
Accept that Apple is overpriced af and stop just blindingly regurgitating what they tell you.
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I don’t think it’s as bad as it appears at first glance, I think the base Touchbar model is considered in comparison to the base version of the 2015 model (still on sale at original price) rather than the dgpu 2015 model as it should be - where it’s a bit of a rip off is that they’ve kept the older model with literally no changes and at the same price. When they went from unibody to retina, there was at least a 2012 non retina update at the same time - a similar move here would have been to keep the 2012-15 design, but bump it to broadwell chips and call it the 2016 non-touchbar model.
the point is, if you gonna go through the effort of making a post and complain about something might as well get the right model.
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My last MBP (2010 13") cost me ~€1600 about seven years ago. 7 years, and used daily. That's roughly 2555 days. It totals to about €0.6 per day. A cup of coffee would cost me five or six times as much.
Not to mention I earned some money using it, and even got a few hundred euros when I sold it before buying the one I currently use and enjoy quite a bit.
It's about perspective. If one uses their laptop for social media, watching All in the Family or whatever the kids do these days then yes, the pricing may seem a bit steep, and I'm not even saying it isn't, because obviously a couple of thousand units of whatever currency usually is. Personally I buy what I need when I need it and pay the monies knowing I haven't spent a cent, more like made an investment.
Not to mention I earned some money using it, and even got a few hundred euros when I sold it before buying the one I currently use and enjoy quite a bit.
It's about perspective. If one uses their laptop for social media, watching All in the Family or whatever the kids do these days then yes, the pricing may seem a bit steep, and I'm not even saying it isn't, because obviously a couple of thousand units of whatever currency usually is. Personally I buy what I need when I need it and pay the monies knowing I haven't spent a cent, more like made an investment.
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Not really. MacBooks. MacBooks in general. All MacBooks. Airs, Pros, big ones, small ones, black ones, pink ones, MacBooks.
They’re all overpriced but I still buy em
I like the build and quality. Not sure about the current ones. I had a 2008 unibody and it lasted almost 6 years with crazy use. It actually only died because my screen went dim then I killed it
I agree. And for those users Apple is offering the iPad. Note that Apple never made budget computers. Even their "consumer-oriented" line (original MacBook 13" and later MacBook Air) were premium computers.
And yet not much has changed in the design of the Macs over the last decade or even longer. Its still the same type of computer, making the same tradeoffs and following the same design. The current Touch Bar MBP is the continuation of the design logic of the non-retina MBP which follows the design logic of the PowerBook. Take fast CPUs, decent mid-range GPU (but optimise for efficiency, not absolute performance), best in class battery, display and connectivity, and make the most portable computer that you can. User upgradability was never part of the design, although older models were upgradable simply because they used standard modular components. These days they use standard components which are not modular (e.g. there is no socketed LPDDR3 on the market, its soldered-on by design). Similarly, battery is not user-replaceable because its not using a battery case in order to improve efficiency. You can't make this design user-upgradable for safety reasons alone. We lost swappable batteries, but gained significantly improved battery capacity and battery longevity. The story always have two points. And people complaining about loss of some feature they used to like are ignoring the new features we have.
Finally, while there is a lot of doomsaying (there always was when Apple releases a new product), Mac sales are doing as good as ever. Which means that the market is satisfied with what Apple is offering.
I don't get that argument. Couldn't you justify almost any price that way? The comparison to a daily cup of coffee seems so random to me. Clearly a MBP is worth more than a cup of coffee per day, right? So at €10,000 it still wouldn't be overpriced?
It really comes down to the whole ... is there a financial return..... thing. Some use for pleasure, some use for work.
I use it for both. The damn thing is still overpriced. Yeah, yeah, I will still buy it (grudgingly), but getting a new Mac has come to be my least favorite part of the Mac experience and I try to delay it as long as possible, because it just leaves me with a bad feeling these days.
I know what you mean. For me my tastes have been expensive since the day I was born. So for me it's a constant game of constantly increasing financial means. Which can take a while.
From an economic douchebag point of view, apple will price their computers at the price people are willing ot buy them and judging by the fact that macs are still selling, i think apple priced it just fine. (not a massive drop since 2016).
From my point of view, it would appear that Apple is being rocked by supply chain price increases (flash memory is an example) but also Apple seems to be pricing things high out the gate so they could be discounted in 3rd party sellers. THat's just my own feeling.
From my point of view, it would appear that Apple is being rocked by supply chain price increases (flash memory is an example) but also Apple seems to be pricing things high out the gate so they could be discounted in 3rd party sellers. THat's just my own feeling.
Let's be honest isn't everything in life "because we can" or a "want"?
What are bare essentials of life? A roof over your head? Check, clothes to wear? Check, food to eat? Check, job to pay for those thing? Check.
Beyond that everything kind of comes down to a persons wants, desires and ambitions.
Some people want a really simple quiet life. Others want the exact opposite.
Justification of expense really comes down to the individual.
What are bare essentials of life? A roof over your head? Check, clothes to wear? Check, food to eat? Check, job to pay for those thing? Check.
Beyond that everything kind of comes down to a persons wants, desires and ambitions.
Some people want a really simple quiet life. Others want the exact opposite.
Justification of expense really comes down to the individual.
That’s the status thing I’m talking about. Every now and then there will be a comment that maybe Apple is too expensive for you. I’ve read comments about someone talking about their iWatch and which “Rolex” they have. Status. Or how maybe you should settle for a MB Air or iPhone SE, and leave their premium products to the more affluent big boys.
Hate to break it to you but some of the more affluent prefer not to waste money.