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Huh? Define your definition of cut cost. The new unibody increases cost, Glass is more expensive then plastic, glass trackpad. So how do they cut cost and fail?

They are: Slower, lack of Firewire, glossy only and lost its quality control.

Why couldn't they make Macbooks like the old MacBooks Pro???
 
Why can't we look at it from a personal preference point-of-view?

I like the matte screen. I don't like the glossy screen. I don't do life or death work that requires color calibrations. I couldn't care less about reflections.

I have a personal liking for the matte screen, so I would prefer the matte screen to anything else. I don't mind the glossy screen, but I wouldn't buy it over the matte screen. That's my choice (which Apple coincidentally took away).

People need to stop putting words in other peoples' mouths by guessing why they don't like glossy screens.
 
They are: Slower, lack of Firewire, glossy only and lost its quality control.

Why couldn't they make Macbooks like the old MacBooks Pro???

Huh? You are totally nuts (sorry to say this word, just I cannot think of any other in my mind right now).

Slower? The new MacBook is not slower, in fact its faster then the previous gen (thanks to the faster processor and Nvidia GPU). The old MacBook has been glossy for YEARS and never have a matte version. Lost its quality control? The new MacBook is much much better quality then the previous one, have you played with the plastic MacBook? Compared to the quality of the MBP which I have right now (not the new one), aluminum Macs definitely beat plastic Macs (in most aspect).

Judging from your comments, I am referring to the MacBook (non-Pro) which I assume that is what you are referring to.

Oh yeah, and Apple can't rely on old model design for years, they need to innovate. Remember, there is a long history of company dieing because they stop innovating. The ideology, innovate or die is true.
 
Huh? You are totally nuts (sorry to say this word, just I cannot think of any other in my mind right now).

Slower? The new MacBook is not slower, in fact its faster then the previous gen (thanks to the faster processor and Nvidia GPU). The old MacBook has been glossy for YEARS and never have a matte version. Lost its quality control? The new MacBook is much much better quality then the previous one, have you played with the plastic MacBook? Compared to the quality of the MBP which I have right now (not the new one), aluminum Macs definitely beat plastic Macs (in most aspect).

Judging from your comments, I am referring to the MacBook (non-Pro) which I assume that is what you are referring to.

Oh yeah, and Apple can't rely on old model design for years, they need to innovate. Remember, there is a long history of company dieing because they stop innovating. The ideology, innovate or die is true.

Here would be the ideal MacBook (base model):

2.1GHZ
2Gb ram
144MB Vram (since there is HARDLY any difference between the two)
250GB HD
FIREWIRE
Glass trackpad
Aluminum casing (like the MacBook Pro)

Price can be $100 more (for aluminum case and trackpad)

Total: $1100

Oh yeah... The MacBook Pro has had the option for both types of displays.
 
Well, I just went to see the new MBP and MB today and honestly, I'm surprise at how much the glare is not affecting the usage. Most people kept nagging that the they can't work properly with all the glare, reflection and etc. but let me tell you, its not as bad as other notebooks.

Yes mis the point. Glare is not the issue.

The trouble is only if you are trying to use the computer for critical color work. most consumers don't do this, they use the computer as a media player for the web, games and movies. But if you are someone who creates photos, movies and the like then what you want is "color fidelity" or accurate color. What makes the glossy screen so popular with consumers is that is exaggerates color contrast this is not good at all if your job is to adjust a color file so it can be printed.

We see the same thing in consummer level audio speakers. Some people like an exaggerated bass sound that booms and thumps. these speakers are not "accurate" in the least but still they are popular. Could you imagine a recording engineer using speakers like that in the studio? Same here with the glossy screen, could you imagine using these in the studio?

Glare and reflections are NOT the problem. You can always turn off the room lights or paint the back wall black.
 
They are: Slower, lack of Firewire, glossy only and lost its quality control.

Why couldn't they make Macbooks like the old MacBooks Pro???

How is it slower? Lack of firewire, you mean lack of room on the logic board? Glossy, so? Loss of QC? It's rev 1, what do you expect?
 
Here would be the ideal MacBook (base model):

2.1GHZ
2Gb ram
144MB Vram (since there is HARDLY any difference between the two)
250GB HD
FIREWIRE
Glass trackpad
Aluminum casing (like the MacBook Pro)

Price can be $100 more (for aluminum case and trackpad)

Total: $1100

Oh yeah... The MacBook Pro has had the option for both types of displays.

DDR3 is more expensive. So is a 250gb HD. Where would they stick the firewire port/chipset??? $1100? Maybe you should build your own..
 
Here would be the ideal MacBook (base model):

2.1GHZ
2Gb ram
144MB Vram (since there is HARDLY any difference between the two)
250GB HD
FIREWIRE
Glass trackpad
Aluminum casing (like the MacBook Pro)

Price can be $100 more (for aluminum case and trackpad)

Total: $1100

Oh yeah... The MacBook Pro has had the option for both types of displays.

First, the MacBook is NOT the same as MacBookPro, it will never be the same, it will never be build to be like a MacBookPro, it will never perform like a MacBookPro, nuff said.

In fact the new MacBooks seriously reduced the gap between the MBP and MB.

The new MacBook IS Aluminum casing and glass trackpad and backlit keyboard, what's wrong with you? If you are referring that the base model is plastic, well wait a few years, most likely by then Apple will offer alu at all price range.

Crap, missed your (base model), well just wait a couple of years more, then it will come down to the base model. Seriously, you need to calculate how much are they getting and how is this distributed to their R&D and etc, you can't just simply price a product and just charging $100 extra for some extra features.

The trouble is only if you are trying to use the computer for critical color work. most consumers don't do this, they use the computer as a media player for the web, games and movies. But if you are someone who creates photos, movies and the like then what you want is "color fidelity" or accurate color. What makes the glossy screen so popular with consumers is that is exaggerates color contrast this is not good at all if your job is to adjust a color file so it can be printed.

We see the same thing in consummer level audio speakers. Some people like an exaggerated bass sound that booms and thumps. these speakers are not "accurate" in the least but still they are popular. Could you imagine a recording engineer using speakers like that in the studio? Same here with the glossy screen, could you imagine using these in the studio?

Glare and reflections are NOT the problem. You can always turn off the room lights or paint the back wall black.
ChrisA you provide excellent point (*clap hands), this is the kind of answer I expect, not the kind of glossy, glare problem that I kept hearing these "pro" people kept complaining (from various forums, blog replies and etc.).
Just wondering, since you mention recording studio, eventhough if the music producer uses a MacBook Pro, he will still rely on proper equipment for the sound, isn't this the same for serious video makers and photographers, won't they have their own preferred monitor?
I've seen a lot of videos about professional photographers, and video (something, don't know what to call them properly) who usually have a large external monitor to do their work on. Usually its a Apple Cinema HD.

This is the reason why I prefer to hear remarks from people who give proper answer, so that I will learn new stuffs and correct myself in the future. Forum rocks!
 
First, the MacBook is NOT the same as MacBookPro, it will never be the same, it will never be build to be like a MacBookPro, it will never perform like a MacBookPro, nuff said.

In fact the new MacBooks seriously reduced the gap between the MBP and MB.

The new MacBook IS Aluminum casing and glass trackpad and backlit keyboard, what's wrong with you? If you are referring that the base model is plastic, well wait a few years, most likely by then Apple will offer alu at all price range.

The MacBook is EXACTLY like a MacBook Pro (which is fine).
Yes I agree with you that the MacBook will never perform like the MacBook Pro

I'm telling you what would be a great base model MacBook.

And yes GLARE IS THE PROBLEM!!!! I don't care about color difference.
 
I have both a late 2007, MBP with a matte screen and a current 13'' MB. The glossy screen of the MB is really not bad at all. I like it as a matter of fact.

I still like the matte screen on the MBP more, but all and all I am satisfied.
 
b) are you a photographer? ... QUOTE]

As a photographer, you of course do any color-sensitive work under subdued lighting.

Yes, glossy screens are more subject to influence by ambient light during profiling... so profile with the lights waaaaay down, just as you should be working.

And you're correct in that the general consensus amongst photographers is a preference for matte screens for soft proofing. But of curiousity, are your comments from personal experience, or a reiteration of dogma?

-Anthony
 
Here, I found this on MacNN

Psystar claims to offer $400 Mac clone
A company called Psystar claims it will soon deliver a $400 Mac clone, based around a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with integrated Intel GMA 950 graphics.
The alleged $400 system will purportedly also include 2GB of DDR2 667 memory, a 20x DVD+/-R SATA drive that is Lightscribe-capable, and 4 rear-mounted USB Ports.

Other than the whimpy graphics card (which I'm sure will upgradable),
THAT MACHINE IS SWEET!!!
 
Watch Psystar build it!!!

It will be almost twice the specs

AND

almost twice as cheap!!
Aaah, here it comes, Psycrap fans.

Look, you want to know why Psycrap can offer better build (specs) then Apple here is why, cause they don't need to pay the people who made OS X, they just pay for the "upgrade disk" (its not really and upgrade disk, but people just mention it as a upgrade disk because of the price, and to avoid explaining to people like you again and again why you pay so cheap for Leopard).

And they steal. They steal code that people offer for free non-commercialize usage and they don't pay these programmers. So yes, I hate Psycrap a LOT.

How would you feel, if someone use a product that you spend so much time on and sell it as their own and say that your sell overpriced product or use something that you give people freely and not to commercialize it end up being in the market without your permission. :mad:
 
Aaah, here it comes, Psycrap fans.

Look, you want to know why Psycrap can offer better build (specs) then Apple here is why, cause they don't need to pay the people who made OS X, they just pay for the "upgrade disk" (its not really and upgrade disk, but people just mention it as a upgrade disk because of the price, and to avoid explaining to people like you again and again why you pay so cheap for Leopard).

And they steal. They steal code that people offer for free non-commercialize usage and they don't pay these programmers. So yes, I hate Psycrap a LOT.

How would you feel, if someone use a product that you spend so much time on and sell it as their own and say that your sell overpriced product or use something that you give people freely and not to commercialize it end up being in the market without your permission. :mad:

LOL!!!

I would say "Geez I think I'm doing something wrong!!!!" IT'S CALLED COMPETITION!!!! (I deal with it myself)

And Windows sells their OS to be installed on any machine???

And Psystar isn't stealing ANY codes.
 
LOL!!!

I would say "Geez I think I'm doing something wrong!!!!" IT'S CALLED COMPETITION!!!! (I deal with it myself)

And Windows sells there OS to be installed on any machine???

And Psystar isn't stealing ANY codes.

Sir the EULA for Leopard is different.
 
I would say "Geez I think I'm doing something wrong!!!!" IT'S CALLED COMPETITION!!!! (I deal with it my self)

And Windows sells there OS to be installed on any machine???

And they aren't stealing ANY codes.
Geez, reading your comments, make me feel like smacking my head.

Its called competition? Competition is when someone copies your product (not exactly 100%), like Apple VS Microsoft, not taking your product and turning it against you (like what Psycrap is doing).

And yes, Windows sells their OS on any machine because that what they want, that what make them become richer and grow faster then Apple last time. They allow it, Apple doesn't allow OS X to be on any other machine except theirs.

Oh and I laugh badly when you mention they(Psycrap) don't steal any codes, you don't know a lot of things, I've been in the hackintosh forum for a while and when Psycrap announce they selling hackintosh, I checked back the forum and the makers of the hack mention that they never authorized Psycrap to use their code.
 
Geez, reading your comments, make me feel like smacking my head.

Its called competition? Competition is when someone copies your product (not exactly 100%), like Apple VS Microsoft, not taking your product and turning it against you (like what Psycrap is doing).

And yes, Windows sells their OS on any machine because that what they want, that what make them become richer and grow faster then Apple last time. They allow it, Apple doesn't allow OS X to be on any other machine except theirs.

Oh and I laugh badly when you mention they(Psycrap) don't steal any codes, you don't know a lot of things, I've been in the hackintosh forum for a while and when Psycrap announce they selling hackintosh, I checked back the forum and the makers of the hack mention that they never authorized Psycrap to use their code.

Then tell me... Why does Apple sell just leopard??? They should make you have to prove that you have an Apple machine then for $100 THEY will install it for you.

I would like some proof about them stealing codes.
 
Then tell me... Why does Apple sell just leopard??? They should make you have to prove that you have an Apple machine then for $100 THEY will install it for you.
Well that is before they realize, they will be companies like psycrap to take advantage of these, believe me, after this whole Psycrap incident or when SL is released next year, somethings will change and it will likely be inconvenient to all of us, thanks to makers of psycrap and people who supports psycrap.

I would like some proof about them stealing codes.
Aaaargh, Im getting bored and tired of answering your statements.
Check here
Happy? Believe me they are more.
 
Well I don't believe you that anything will change.

And that says nothing about them stealing codes.

I'm not tired of this yet. :p
 
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