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i dont think samsung made the a6 chip. They only supply the memory for the chip.

Are you kidding? Google samsung made a6

Do u think apple made them too? Where? Back of the apple store?

They are made in the samsung plant in texas
 
Please put one of these A6's in a Macbook Air. Please.

That wouldnt benifit anyone. Its fast for a phone but not that powerful. Plus osx wouldnt run on it.
Current macbook air has geekbench scores over 6000 for base model in comparison.
 
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This is kinda bad news for those on the S cycle. Seems like even the speed upgrade is switching over to the main upgrade path. I think the S iPhones are going to become a lot less desirable now.

Not really. Apple is not that stupid to give everything to 1 cycle!! But next year expect something amazing on the software side as well as the hardware

That's why 2 year contracts are bad (and for other reasons). I have a 4S and won't be able to get a discounted price until next August, at which point it will make sense to wait for the 5S. Personally, I think Siri was a dud so I hope Apple has something better up their sleeves for the 5S. An A6X/A7, a 12MP camera and minor advantages with iOS 7 won't be enough. It's possible Apple could introduce more colors like they're doing with the 5th gen iPod Touch, but even that won't be enough (unless you're Japanese).

I think I'm secretly hoping that there won't be a 5S next year, but a redesigned 6 which may be the only thing Apple could do to prevent a lackluster response to the "in-between iPhone", which is what it will become. Apple should be a little unpredictable, perhaps like introducing a tweaked iPad 3 or even next-gen iPad next month. Maybe Apple thinks you'll upgrade no matter what they release because you're so entrenched into the apps/itunes ecosystem, like I am. Like another poster said, Apple appears to be in a comfort zone which to some degree makes some sense with many iOS users in their own comfort zone, myself included.
 
Ahh ok, thanks for the info. This is interesting, it would benefit them to make it in-house. Question is, if that's the route they go, can they match Samsung's qty output? they will need to make lots of em for their devices if they keep selling at this rate.

Apple manufactures nothing. They are simply a design house. They would rather outsource their building/fabbing/etc. to the lowest bidder. They can also levelage multiple suppliers when necessary to build up a bigger cache of materials (i.e. multiple LCD, memory, etc.) so that they aren't so dependent upon one source. Further, the cost of a FAB is multiple billions. Yes I know Apple has like a gazillion dollars in the bank, but they would rather spend their money on their cloud infastructure than bothering to spend billions building a FAB and then retrofitting that FAB everytime a new smaller process is created (i.e. from 45nm to 32nm). Google what Intel's Fabs cost them.... it will blow your mind.
 
ARMv8 = x86 replacement

[...] The report notes that Apple is likely to follow a typical two-year design cycle with its own chips, working on a 64-bit ARMv8 solution for launch in 2014. [...]

Hear that, Intel?

Just a matter of time before Apple dumps Intel chips and starts using its own 64-bit quad-core ARM designs. In Macs.

Oh, and yes, Intel iX Core processors will in all likelihood have more processing power than 64-bit ARMv8 processors. But how many MacBook Air users need desktop-class number-crunching power? Not very many I'd guess.

[Update: Long before Apple officially switched Macs from PowerPC to Intel, they kept one or two engineers working on an Intel build of OS X. Just to be ready for the transition to Intel. And now, it's very likely they've kept a RISC build of the latest version of OS X running. Just to be ready for the (inevitable) transition back to RISC.]
 
"According to one source, Steve Jobs initially set an "insanely great" bar for the performance of the new CPU..."

I hope other leaders are still pushing that hard at Apple.
 

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I haven't read to the end yet, and someone else might have mentioned it, but this is faulty logic. I say that because you can't start to use your logic halfway through. Well, you can, but that isn't logical.

iPhone
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3GS
iPhone 4
iPhone 4S
iPhone 5

That is six models and while the 4 may be considered the 4, where is the 2 and 2S or 2GS? Since they called named the 3G/3GS for a feature reason, once they named the 4 it became something that had to be explained.

Thanks Spock. Apple has adopted the current naming convention. There's not reason to keep arguing over it.
 
If you accept that the 4 was the 4, the 4S was a mod on the 4, the 5 is the 5, and the 5S is a mod on the 5, this really makes sense.

You conveniently left the 3G and the 3GS out of your series because they don't follow the same naming protocol ;)
 
Thanks Spock. Apple has adopted the current naming convention. There's not reason to keep arguing over it.

I'm not arguing over it; it is what it is. Just pointing out faulty logic passed off as something that is supposed to make sense.

Oh, you're welcome. :D

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You conveniently left the 3G and the 3GS out of your series because they don't follow the same naming protocol ;)

Yep, I said the same thing and was called "Spock" which was supposed to be an insult I guess. Kind of like making a point with a kid and the response is, "Well, you're a weeny head".
 
You conveniently left the 3G and the 3GS out of your series because they don't follow the same naming protocol ;)

I did. And I'm only speculating that the next iPhone will be the 5S. Get enough generations down, and it really won't matter which generation it is, because people will stop counting. In fact, I would argue most people have.
 
I would like to have some kind of idea about how the A4, A5, A6, A-family compares to Intel's latest laptop processors (i5 & i7). Are they way, way behind - or are they getting close performance-wise? (Battery/power consumption wise I guess they are way ahead)

Does benchmarks like that exist, anyone?

Jack Dongarra (the guy who has been publishing the Top 500 Supercomputer list twice a year for the last 25 years) published a paper about running the Linpack benchmark on an iPad 2. Two results: 1. The iPad 2 would have been at the top of the 1984 supercomputer list, beating a Cray-2. That means beating the most expensive hardware that you could buy in 1984. 2. The iPad 2 can deliver up to 4 GFlop / Watt, which beats anything else today.
 
Hear that, Intel?

Just a matter of time before Apple dumps Intel chips and starts using its own 64-bit quad-core ARM designs. In Macs.

Oh, and yes, Intel iX Core processors will in all likelihood have more processing power than 64-bit ARMv8 processors. But how many MacBook Air users need desktop-class number-crunching power? Not very many I'd guess.

[Update: Long before Apple officially switched Macs from PowerPC to Intel, they kept one or two engineers working on an Intel build of OS X. Just to be ready for the transition to Intel. And now, it's very likely they've kept a RISC build of the latest version of OS X running. Just to be ready for the (inevitable) transition back to RISC.]

I think Intel's Haswell and subsequent CPU will put an end to this type of talk. I'm in no hurry to move away from Intel processors for desktop/notebook and in turn ARM for mobile devices.
 
Yeah right, apple invented everything... cool story bro!

Monopoly only brings the prices upwards...

iPhone 3GS unlocked - $375
iPhone 4 unlocked - $450

there is a reason behind Sprint dropping the iPhone 4 all together.

dude, do you know what a monopoly is? apple doesnt hold the majority of the marketshare cuz there are a billion other phones to choose from...NOT A MONOPOLY, durr
 
Hear that, Intel?

Intel hears this and says " Your Macs are a drop in the bucket. We don't care "

Just a matter of time before Apple dumps Intel chips and starts using its own 64-bit quad-core ARM designs. In Macs.

So you want The Mac to lose marketshare its gained? One of the big things for alotta the Mac only guys I know with the Intel switch, was that they could run windows on their Macs via bootcamp or parralles or however you want to do it, it also brought lots of guys in who didn't consider a Mac before because they couldn't really run windows well. It was great for the Mac guys because the enterprise world is a windows world, gaming is a windows world, most software on the planet is for windows. So the ability to switch over to Windows when you needed it gave the mac a HUGE boost. Instead of having to buy 2 seperate computers, and spent a lot more money, you just bought your Mac and a Copy of Windows and used bootcamp, lots of people really like that.

Losing the ability to run Windows would be a HUGE blow for the Mac.

Oh, and yes, Intel iX Core processors will in all likelihood have more processing power than 64-bit ARMv8 processors. But how many MacBook Air users need desktop-class number-crunching power? Not very many I'd guess.

So, your willing to pay the same money for less performance?

[Update: Long before Apple officially switched Macs from PowerPC to Intel, they kept one or two engineers working on an Intel build of OS X. Just to be ready for the transition to Intel. And now, it's very likely they've kept a RISC build of the latest version of OS X running. Just to be ready for the (inevitable) transition back to RISC.]

Its very, not likely.
 
I'm assuming we'll see the iPad "4" with an A6 maybe an X variant so it'll be 2X the CPU speed of the A5 (with some GPU bump over the standard A6), decent reduction in heat power, 20-25% better battery life :)

Er, I guess since I'm speculating on the CPU, might as well throw in: single layer IGZO display (retina res, also lowers battery consumption), ~1.5mm thinner, 8MP RFC, 720P FFC, new dock connector, lower power LTE, dual channel N-spec WiFi.

OK, back on topic :D
 
I see nonsense already, and you don't have to leave the first paragraph:

"The fact that Apple requires iPhone 5 apps to be recompiled to a new architecture variant called ARMv7s indicates that the A6 does not use the same Cortex-A9 CPUs that are in the previous Apple A5 processor."

I'm pretty sure all the apps running on my 4 will run just fine without a recompile thank you.

Yes, existing apps will run just fine, but if Apple's ARM micro-architecture can get better performance from a different ordering of the machine instructions produced by the compiler, recompilation will be necessary to get maximum performance. x86 improvements over the years have required similar improvements in the compilers to optimize performance.

So, the statement is hardly nonsense, it simply goes beyond your understanding of CPU architecture.
 
dude, do you know what a monopoly is? apple doesnt hold the majority of the marketshare cuz there are a billion other phones to choose from...NOT A MONOPOLY, durr

in smart phone market, they are getting there ...

in terms of revenue (dollar) they are already.

if you want to close your eyes, please go ahead.
 
in smart phone market, they are getting there ...

in terms of revenue (dollar) they are already.

if you want to close your eyes, please go ahead.

Smartphone market ? Android is gaining ground much faster. It very well may hit 60 percent this year.

Revenue = Not a monopoly, that makes no sense.

Open your eyes. The last time there was a bad monopoly in the tech world was microsoft, Apple has nothing close to that.
 
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