Paddle Postpones Launch of In-App Purchase Alternative After Apple Wins Reprieve

Because protecting customer is not within their agenda, and apple should be encouraged to apply every possible shady business practices just because. Well, that’s what I get anyways.
 
iosiseasy said:
"also providing app developers with customer data" - I'm not overly concerned about privacy but if I have a choice, I choose not to have my customer data shared with developers.
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ipacers said:
If these people think I’m choosing an alternative payment method that gives up more of my data, they’re out of their minds.
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hans1972 said:
"providing app developers with customer data that included email addresses for communicating product news and offers"
Just horrible. I don't want the developers to know who I am and know how to contact me.
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Paddle collects your email address but receiving communication from the dev is 'opt-in', as it should be, and it doesn't force you to sign up for an account like some developers (particularly larger ones) do. I find that a pretty reasonable approach.

ignatius345 said:
I'm all for buying directly from indie developers, but I had nothing but trouble when I bought an app that was licensed through Paddle. I've got a couple of Macs and run a secondary user account on each for work -- Paddle's licensing system was very strict and shut me out.
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Wait, so you're saying you paid for a single user license but you're upset you can't use it for multiple users? Sounds like the Paddle system is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing!
 
ipacers said:
I personally will always choose the Apple payment option for security & privacy options. But in my family, I’m the designated ‘tech support’ person so I’m concerned about the inevitable dark patterns that will trick non tech savvy people into options that lead to more spam etc. Because I’m the one they’re going to call and complain to.
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I presume no one in your circle bubble has a Mac then? Or ever buys anything off the internet? Or from a shop? I can't imagine how you deal with solving all their problems every time they buy something outside of Apple's payment system, you must be completely run off your feet putting out fires, you poor thing.
 
kalsta said:
Wait, so you're saying you paid for a single user license but you're upset you can't use it for multiple users? Sounds like the Paddle system is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing!
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Same user (me), same computer. I use quite a few indie apps across my work/personal user accounts and it's fine. Not paying a second time just because Paddle isn't smart enough to realize I'm in a second user account on (again) the same computer.

I'm all for buying directly from indie developers to spare them paying Apple's hefty cut, but I don't want to be punished for doing so.
 
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Timo_Existencia said:
"Grocery stores should be forced to allow third-party payments for products purchased in their facilities!" ...said nobody ever.
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"I think I should be able to use my Target Red Card at Walmart, Tired of this monopoly Walmart has on payment methods in their own store."
 
As a dev, I wouldn't have used this anyway. "10 percent fee for all transactions under $10" is a rip off. I'd only save 5% extra IF the customer chose a different payment method. How would I even pass any savings on to the customer for using something other than Apple's In-App Purchase?

I would go through many other payment processors and get as low as 5% on transactions under $10 (Braintree, Stripe, etc).

DEAR APPLE:

Do you know how to make this a non-issue starting TODAY? Drop your transaction fees to 5%. You'd still earn massive profits on the App Store and this problem would be gone.
 
ignatius345 said:
Same user (me), same computer. I use quite a few indie apps across my work/personal user accounts and it's fine. Not paying a second time just because Paddle isn't smart enough to realize I'm in a second user account on (again) the same ****ing computer.
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Most individuals would only use one user account on their machine. That is kind of the point of user accounts, to differentiate different users. Still, on reflection, I do empathise with your issue. We generally install apps in the system-wide Application folder and expect them to work for all users.

Did you try emailing Paddle support to see what they say? In my experience, they are quite friendly and helpful.
 
They really straight up said “we do not care for privacy, we will be providing all customers personal data”. This “free market” doesn’t feel like a win for customers, especially customers data being sold to who knows who will be the additional charge to make up for those low rates. And how do I trust providing my information to this random company, how secure are they? Call me an Apple sheep, but this is not a solution.
 
Abazigal said:
It wouldn’t have been a meaningful choice anyways, given how Apple has already signalled their intention to still collect a commission on apps purchased via third party options.
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The thought that no fees will be charged by Apple with an alternative payment option is indeed naive.
 
paulovsouza said:
They really straight up said “we do not care for privacy, we will be providing all customers personal data”. This “free market” doesn’t feel like a win for customers, especially customers data being sold to who knows who will be the additional charge to make up for those low rates. And how do I trust providing my information to this random company, how secure are they? Call me an Apple sheep, but this is not a solution.
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That’s because for them, developers are the end users, not us. That’s why Paddle has to dangle the carrot of extra user data to attract developers onto their platform.

That’s the difference between them and Apple (where the customer is the end user). Apple is able to use their control of the App Store and the fact that developers (currently) have no alternative to get them to accept terms that benefit the customers, even if it’s a drawback to them, such as Sign In with Apple or ATT (however poorly enforced it may be right now).

You lose that leverage with multiple app stores or sideloading, there is no evidence that app pricing will decrease as a result of lower commission rates anyways, and the consumer is the one who loses ultimately.
 
The court ordered that they still have to pay apples fee whether they use a different billing system or not
 
Timo_Existencia said:
"Grocery stores should be forced to allow third-party payments for products purchased in their facilities!" ...said nobody ever.
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Yeah, but your analogy falls short quickly. There are many places in almost all areas to buy a load of bread or some meat. There’s no choice for the consumer if you have an iOS device that you paid a significant amount of money for besides going to a different platform and necessitating a new device, of which there is practically only one alternative - the android ecosystem.
 
It is no different than Walmart, Home Depot, Menards, Lowes and few others big box stores not offering NFC payments. Can we also force them to open up to NFC? If they can do whatever they are pleased to do, I think Apple has their rights too.
 
dannys1 said:
You mean, Spotify who are funding AI war weapons? Yeah ok...
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For the Allied Powers? You can choose to exist in an bubble where China, Russia and Saudi are not developing future AI war tech or you can be realistic and ensure the slightly better side has technology to safe guard the free world.
 
dannys1 said:
1. Judging by your last line aren't you the sort of person who doesn't believe "the news" anyway?

2. Didn't happen - was in house, so that's 1 lie you've told.

3. There are none, countless reports of this, another lie you've told.

4. As so you want you approve of the sharing of known child pornography, good to know.

5. I mean....what?

6. Now this really is clutching. Of course it helped profit margins, it also DID do all the things they said to - I mean if you want to go through a list of capitalist companies and point out where they tried to make more money we'd be here all night.

Yes, my favourite tech company is a profit first trillion corporation (it's not a conglomerate) - and? Your point is what? I mean i'm left wing but you appear to be advocating for - anti capitalism here? (though i'm guess in reality you just love a different massive profit first trillion dollar company instead)
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You can be be left or right wing or any label you wish to tag yourself with but when you say someone is lying, at least provide a source.

Like this -

1. Tim Cook + China Deal - https://www.macrumors.com/2021/12/07/apple-ceo-tim-cook-secret-deal-with-china/

2. Siri Voice Recordings - https://www.macrumors.com/2019/07/26/siri-human-analysis-voice-recordings/

3. FBI Backdoors - https://www.macrumors.com/2020/01/21/apple-dropped-end-to-end-icloud-encryption-report/

4. Firstly you are Falsely Implicating. Anyway since you agree that CSAM bit was actually true, I don't need to provide a source.

5. Pegasus - https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/13/ios-14-8-zero-click-exploit-pegasus/

6. Again, you agree but think it's okay to exploit movements like BLM and Environmental causes for Profits. That really isn't capitalism, it's unethical for any modern democracy to allow that sort of abuse. This is why EU is suing US Tech companies every week.

7. As you see from my signature I actually own and use a lot of Apple products, and have been doing so for over a decade and half. I just don't let my admiration for their products cloud my judgement and prevent me from calling out their shady business practices.
 
WiseAJ said:
"I think I should be able to use my Target Red Card at Walmart, Tired of this monopoly Walmart has on payment methods in their own store."
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mlody said:
It is no different than Walmart, Home Depot, Menards, Lowes and few others big box stores not offering NFC payments. Can we also force them to open up to NFC? If they can do whatever they are pleased to do, I think Apple has their rights too.
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The difference is that you aren't forced to shop at Walmart or any particular store, you're free to shop at any other store.

Apple on the other hand explicitly prohibits other app stores and forces theirs on you as the only option.

Most of these complaints would go away overnight if sideloading was allowed.
 
DanTheMan827 said:
The difference is that you aren't forced to shop at Walmart or any particular store, you're free to shop at any other store.

Apple on the other hand explicitly prohibits other app stores and forces theirs on you as the only option.

Most of these complaints would go away overnight if sideloading was allowed.
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These complaints will never go away because the consumers are the real problem. Stop spending money on the wrong kinds of apps and DLC and the system will correct itself. If there‘s no money to be made on constant Fortnite updates that is what will really make this all go away.

And people stop thinking you need new devices each year - use them until they start coming apart. Then fix them a time or two instead of replacing them.
 
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