That can be said the same for Pre or any phone that is tried to only one carrier.. You can not just target just the iPhone and not look at all the other phones that are the same way...
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That can be said the same for Pre or any phone that is tried to only one carrier.. You can not just target just the iPhone and not look at all the other phones that are the same way...
Well, the iPhone is the ONLY phone with visual voice mail which as far as I know in the UK that is ONLY supported by one carrier O2 and it's also the ONLY phone that was launched without MMS etc. So no I can't say those points about any other phone and Palm have made no announcement about the Pre in the UK.
Yes I know windows mobile and most of the others allows multitasking. But its not a viable solution.
I know people with windows mobile, symbian etc and the battery life is terrible.
One of my friends was so frustrated with his N95 for battery life and general crashes he smashed it with a hammer.
Apple aren't perfect and they are run by an evil genius (or they use to be but i suspect its an ingrained mentality in their culture) which creates money making business models so well conceived that most people can't actually spot what they have done.
apple are masters at the intangibles. That gorgeous expensive packaging which is such a joy to open isn't a self indulgent w#$k fest for Jonny Ive, its a carefully thought out piece of theatre which will just add to the apple user experience and create a sense of anticipation and create brand loyalty the brown box companies will never match. Same with the precise industrial design and anal obsession with thinness.
Despite apples shortcomings they are passionate about the user experience.
Other companies add features to just make the "feature set" look good as the marketeers have said guys give us multitasking, a removeable battery a 4MP camera as our focus group said so. But many of these features are just faetures in name only, they don't really work that well.
People are so satisfied with their iphones and ipods as they do exactly what they say on the box. Other mobile phones may bristle with great features on paper but they don't really work if you were honest. Hence these companies have lousy satisfaction ratings.
They are run by marketeers who rely on market research.
I love apple because they don't employ marketeers they just trust their entrepenurial instinct for innovation.
Yes they get it wrong but when they get it right it's spectacular and will produce results that no market research driven company will ever see.
To get back on subject, yes the pre may promise multi tasking but if it doesn't deliver it will be the death of palm, patent or ex employee CA breaches not with standing.
Kiddies?
iTunes is a STORE, and always has been. Don't blow a gasket over it. No. I said that the Pre is missing iTunes/iPod, a big selling feature for the iPhone. You know, buy an iPhone, get a free iPod built in?
That's my thinking. I have loved my Verizon experience and have tried the others. Of course, things change among the carriers in the scramble for market share, but I'd feel a whole lot better if I could use an iPhone on Verizon.
This brings up another hurdle for the Palm Pre. Palm has a rather tarnished reputation for false starts and lack of a direction. If our past experiences with carriers drive us to some extent to feel more confident in staying with one or another, wouldn't that apply to the phone we select as well?
There is no multi-tasking on iPhone!!
Did you actually watch the 3.0 presentation. there will not be ANY multi-tasking on the iPhone. The 3.0 OS will only offer Push Notification. Mult-Tasking, according to Apple, will only drain the battery too fast. Where is everybody getting the idea that Apple will actually put multi-tasking in the phone when they already said it's a stupid idea and even belittled Windows for using it?
Did you actually watch the 3.0 presentation. there will not be ANY multi-tasking on the iPhone. The 3.0 OS will only offer Push Notification. Mult-Tasking, according to Apple, will only drain the battery too fast. Where is everybody getting the idea that Apple will actually put multi-tasking in the phone when they already said it's a stupid idea and even belittled Windows for using it?
I've beaten that drum over and over. The app store/iTunes, the syncing, the SDK...the whole structure that surrounds a phone may even outweigh any one phone's advantage over another as long as that advantage isn't trivial.
Apple brought the iPhone to a rather mature market where a lot of pundists didn't see past the iPhone just being another, albeit expensive, phone. What they didn't reckon on was the infrastructure of the developer SDK-to-user app store to redefine the experience.
Even today, many of the Palm Pre proponents on this thread under-value the whole structure that the iPhone fits into, and that's where the experiential value to the user ultimately lies.
I don't suppose that there is a single spec on the iPhone that isn't either met or exceeded by one phone or another. So, the success and the attraction comes down to a larger picture than what you end up holding in your hand.
Finally, all this oxygen being wasted over which is better; a virtual or physical keyboard, may overlook how quickly voice dial and speech-to-text may be in the offering for mobile users.
To me, the most important feature of any phone or music player is that it doesn't require me to load the malware named "Itunes" on my system.
I was forced to get an Ipod Touch for work. To avoid loading the Itunes malware on my real systems, I made an XP virtual machine and put the Cupertino virus on it.
Unfortunately, I've misplaced the Ipod Touch and haven't been able to find it since about November. But, I didn't realize that it had gone missing until March - so obviously it had little value for me....
Ed Colligan, President and CEO of Palm, has said "the Pré will cost more than the iPhone because it is a better product."
Let's see, he's gonna charge more than Apple, in a "down" market, with a unproven product, no worldwide plan, from a company that's one step ahead of the grim reaper.
This is kind of like General Motors offering a new auto, a week after they lose the government funding, that guzzles gas worse then a Hummer, costs more than a Cadillac, and has no dealership network... but man-oh-man you can listen to the radio while working on the engine.
As I understood it, Apple acquired Fingerworks' multi-touch patents when it acquired Fingerworks.
Yes, but the Fingerworks patent applications not only date from after 2000 (years after other people were using multi-touch screens)... but more importantly, as far as I can tell from looking at them, were for methods used on opaque non-screen devices such as keyboards.
You, my friend, are the very person for who Microsoft created the brown Zune.
You seem to be a very emotionally unhappy person. "Welcome to Hell, here's your accordion."
What I wouldn't give to listen to Pandora while doing other things on my iTouch... well, probably not my left nut, but close.
Ok, i hate to quote the first reply to this thread, cause doing so is kinda retarded, but still.
There is no real competition for the iphone, i mean really, i haven't used tones of touch smart phones, but the difference is staggering between using the iPhone OS (on my iPod touch) and using the os on my moms LG dare, and my (sorry guys) blackberry storm. The competition still hasn't caught up
And did anyone else notice the lack of a keyboard?
Sad thing is he/she (it) has been a member here since 2003. I could understand if it made an account just to mess with us, but what kind of Macrumors member for that long calls iTunes "malware"?
Uhh...no. He responded to a question asking whether the Palm Pre would undercut the iPhone at a cheaper price in which he responded "Why would we do that when we have a vastly better product?" He also said the Pre would be priced "competitive". No mention of it being more expensive than the iPhone.Ed Colligan, President and CEO of Palm, has said "the Pré will cost more than the iPhone because it is a better product."
Let's see, he's gonna charge more than Apple, in a "down" market, with a unproven product, no worldwide plan, from a company that's one step ahead of the grim reaper.
This is kind of like General Motors offering a new auto, a week after they lose the government funding, that guzzles gas worse then a Hummer, costs more than a Cadillac, and has no dealership network... but man-oh-man you can listen to the radio while working on the engine.
I'd expect it at the $199 price-point just like the iPhone.
Except for the fact that Palm also holds patents that Apple violates... You have to remember Palm's been in the game a long time, and has a pretty big patent portfolio themselves - all relating to mobile devices. Here's a good read on the whole thing [Engadget]
I don't think you looked at the facts. At their last quarterly earnings call palm had lost like 50 million (maybe more). Palm now says that it has $200 million dollars in the bank. That's is very close to broke. When you factor in operational costs, manufacturing costs, all the salaries for those former apple employees, and advertising. Why do you think that palm is pushing the pre to celebrities? They have no money for advertising. Palm is probably hoping that sprint will help with advertising. Stock value has nothing to do with this. Palm can have a moderate success with the pre and still be out of business within a year. The worst part is that palm probably has another quarterly earnings call before the pre is released with more losses and even less in the bank.
Malware could be described as malevolent, but it would need to be malevolent toward consumers. How exactly was iTunes made with a purpose of being malevolent toward consumers? I'm not saying I've never been frustrated with iTunes - heck I've been frustrated with every piece of software I use - but I don't call them all malware just cause they don't do everything I want the way I want it. iTunes is free and it gets the job done.
Unless it's by Microsoft...then it's so wonderful and marvelous. Each side has their fanboys, I suppose.
For one, it's "malevolent". And what's with "Itunes", "Ipod", "Imac", and referring to Macs derisively as "Apples"? It's pretty annoying and IMHO, reflects a bit of bitterness on someone's part.
Err....Exposé was introduced with Panther. Good morning sir.
And Spaces .... nah ... I could care less. If you said Tiger and Spotlight, your argument was fair, but Spaces...pffffffft
Kiddies?
No. I said that the Pre is missing iTunes/iPod, a big selling feature for the iPhone. You know, buy an iPhone, get a free iPod built in?
Check the facts, Kid. iTunes MUSIC STORE (sic!) was introduced in 2003 alongside iTunes 4. If you'd check the number, you maybe realize, that we fellow Apple users played around with a very nice version 2 and 3 before.
iTunes is NOT a store, but it was primarily designed to be the WinAmp of the Mac - google Soundjam for your free will, to get some basic info.
iTunes suddenly became capable of playing videos, as they wanted to give you photo and video management of your iPod-video stuff (aka iPod Photo and iPod 5G).
Now all of the sudden you had two Apple based video solutions on your Mac - Quicktime (which still is the standard app for that) and iTunes (which in the beginning suddenly scanned your HDD for videos and allowed you to browse them).
And every other phone on the market can easily manage and play your audio data (which in my case means ZERO Apple-DRM-AACs, which some phones don't support).