Palm Pre Continues to Generate Interest at CTIA Mobile

[GimmeSlack12]

iTunes is, at the core, a database manager - a weak and limited one at that. (If you don't believe that, check your *.itdb file aka "dot iTunes database"). You can't copy smart playlists if you want a new list with only a couple modified rules? ... Anything I use in windows with multiple fields can sort by a minimum of three fields, ascending or descending, in the order you specify.

It's workable once you get used to it, but I was carrying alone fine before it.

And with the Pre you will use what? I mean, I'm sure the Pre will have some kind of media program for Windows, for Mac I suppose as well. But can you anticipate it being better than iTunes?

I'm not saying iTunes organizing program in the world. But c'mon, it isn't pure crap. It does what it says it'll do and doesn't promise to hold your hand on everything. To be honest, I'm not sure what you want more from iTunes? Just more organizing fields?

 

[Slim02]

Then you say...


You're only making yourself look silly now - to make it easy for you, here's a screenshot taken from here (all about Nokia Multimedia Transfer which begins syncing automatically as soon as you connect the phone via usb). You really should do your research before you post.

As regards the rest;

• You buy ringtones? I just use any tune in my library that I choose.
• Bookmarks? - done through Nokia Multimedia Transfer
• E-Mail accounts? - I use IMAP as it's the easiest way to keep several machines in sync.

See if you post the link like I asked before you would of not need to do it now. So I only take back that the Nokia phone can sync but others do not. Also we are talking about the Pre and if the Pre is like any of the other Palm's it will only work well with Window base computers because they do not make Mac software for their phones..

Also I do not need to pay to get new ringtone.. I can make my own with my own iTune library and do it FREE..

 

[eastercat]

The Pre demo looked promising, but now the flaws are starting to show (unless this is still pre-release issues) . It seemed slower than the iPhone. Also, there were a couple of times the demonstrator had to press the screen repeatedly.
I'm also worried that the multi-tasking is going to slow things down. It probably won't be to the level of jailbreaking slow, but slower than it should be.

 

[apolloa]

This is not an iPhone killer, it's an iPhone knockoff. And it will be seen as such because Palm mostly copied Apple and did little innovating here.

Also, it's missing one important feature it can never match: iTunes/iPod.

So what your saying is that the millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of iPod owners out there globally should ditch said iPods and buy iPhones?

 

[apolloa]

Its sad because the fan boys who cry for Apple to do better or do more don't realize there own ignorance is why Apple could take a piece of dog crap and put an Apple logo on it. The fan boys will defend its perfection until there death bed.

The Palm Pre is a great product however it will be marketed for people who have business needs, not a bunch of kids who want to play Super Monkey Ball and check there Myspace. The Pre will do that but it will also most likely sync 100% with Exchange and provide other business necessities the iPhone cannot.

Also, all the people saying sue Palm, I hate to tell you most of the iPhone was patented by Palm before Apple even released Intel processors.

Oooohhhh, how dare you slate the Jesus Phone. May the heavens open and God himself strike thee down!

 

[Goona]

The big feature this offers is multi tasking.

apple COULD easily do this but say it can't effectively be done (just watch the last key note when they announced OS3) and I think their reasoning is corrrect. As I said, apple would do this if they could but they say the processors aren't fast enough and batetry time will drop off significantly. They say the phone will be un useable after a couple of hours or so

So how have Palm over come these huge problems?

I guess they haven't but its a feature apple don't have (because they aren't happy to implement it) so they will have it and make a big deal of it.

I have brought lots of products which are suppose to have features so they can be in the feature list on the box but when you actually use them they are heavily comprimised and just don't work. My Nokia 6280 had an MP3 player but it was hopeless.

My guess is that palm will come unstuck with the multi tasking aspect big time.

You know that the Pre is not the only phone that does 3rd part multitasking, the iphone already does multitasking just not with 3rd party apps. The Storm does multitasking and so does the G1 and plenty of other phones.

 

[Goona]

LOL hahaha, er no. The Palm uses a totally different and new OS, it hasn't "Ripped" the iPhones code, and Palm have already stated, and people have backed them up, that if Apple takes them to court they can counter sue Apple to the wall as it has SO many patents Apple has breached you won't believe it. Remember just how long Palm has been making mobile devices for eh
So don't expect to see them in court any time soon, or Apple to win anything.
Te Palm Pre will be my next phone, sim free at launch, cheaper then an iPhone oh yes, and no pathetic controls of the apps.

Oh and can ANYONE of you tell me exactly when did Apple let journalists play around with the BETA iPhone BEFORE it was launched By Steve? No? Hmm, Palm must be stupid eh?? Are we going to see Apple's new 2009 iPhone on video and photo's in flesh being demonstrated BEFORE it's launched?

Cheaper than iphone, please tell me the release date and price of the Pre.

 

[Goona]

Here's an engadget video of the Pre in action (the best part is pandora running in the background with notifications bar integration). And some stuff from CES here.

So here's why I'm excited about the Pre:
1) True multi-tasking, I have gotten so annoyed with constantly going in and out of the home screen on the iPhone let alone not being able to listen to internet radio while browsing the web or reading e-mail.

2) Notifications, the notifications system on the iPhone is awful. They're basically pop-ups and I can't even imagine how terrible it'll be when 3.0 comes out and you got all these apps using push notifications. It'll be like browsing the internet 5 years ago when any pages you went to had pop-ups
everywhere! Yeah, that sounds like a great experienc

3) The keyboard, look I liked the iPhone virtual keyboard but then I realized I always have to look at this thing if I want to do anything. I miss dialing a
number while driving or hell changing a song while not looking (think iPod classic). For those of you who say the iPhone/iPod Touch music player is great I ask, in what way? It's not intuitive, you can't change songs without looking and really it's just a real all around pain to use.

4) App development, I'm really excited about making an application for this phone. It uses a common language and from what I've seen of the SDK so far it looks really easy to develop for. Hell, you can even develop on Linux, OS X, and Windows!

5) Non-proprietary connector! It uses USB! I can't tell you how tired I am of that stupid dock connector wearing out on my iPod's and my iPhone. Not to mention recently with the cables fraying. Let alone the price, forget it! I'm not
dealing with that anymore.

6) Removable battery, I'm a heavy user. I kill my iPhone battery in roughly 3 hours and it's not even jailbroken. No, there's nothing wrong with the battery, I just enjoy streaming radio.

7) 2nd largest 3G network, regardless of how coverage is in your area the fact is that Spring has the 2nd largest 3G network. The largest being Verizon, I'll take my chances with Sprint over AT&T any day!

I loved my iPhone, I broke it recently and I do miss it. But I don't think I'll buy another one because the Pre looks to have everything I want out of a phone, I mean I literally can't think of anything else I'd want. My only wish is that the
phone would be on Verizon, but that's okay I need a phone and so I'll go to
Sprint until Verizon gets it.

As for this being an iPhone competitor, yeah I think it is because I don't think
I've ever seen so many news stories about a non-apple device on this site ever
before.

You must have missed all the news stories on this site about the G1, Storm and all the supposed iPhone killers.

 

[Goona]

I probably sound emotional because I'm sick of people who think Apple invented everything and is untuochable. I'm afraid not, as I already stated, Apple has breached several Palm patents but Palm don't care, yet they will if Apple try's to take them to court. And so what, company's poach ALL the time, it's Apple's tough luck if it can't keep it's employee's, not Palm's for asking them to leave, I mean the staff aren't Apple's property or patents! They are free to work for who ever the hell they want.

And you are so wrong, if YOU looked at the PROPER facts then you would see that Palm is gaining better stock value ever day, more and more and more people are interested every day in the Pre. I am not calling it an iPhone killer but several leading gadget publications are. Everyone is expecting a full on fight and for the Pre to do very well so to say that Palm will be dead next year is simply stating you haven't looked at the facts at all IMO.

Palm could be dead, they haven't sold a single one and are on the brink of going bellyup. If this phone doesn't sell like crazy, they are gone.

 

[GimmeSlack12]

Palm could be dead, they haven't sold a single one and are on the brink of going bellyup. If this phone doesn't sell like crazy, they are gone.

Agreed. On a side note, nearly every touch screen phone is called an iPhone-killer prior to release. And every time the iPhone wins cause everyone's attempt to copy it just doesn't cut it.

iPhone killer is a buzzword to get you to read an article. They don't exist. And the Pre most definitely will not kill the iPhone.

 

[Goona]

Its sad because the fan boys who cry for Apple to do better or do more don't realize there own ignorance is why Apple could take a piece of dog crap and put an Apple logo on it. The fan boys will defend its perfection until there death bed.

The Palm Pre is a great product however it will be marketed for people who have business needs, not a bunch of kids who want to play Super Monkey Ball and check there Myspace. The Pre will do that but it will also most likely sync 100% with Exchange and provide other business necessities the iPhone cannot.

Also, all the people saying sue Palm, I hate to tell you most of the iPhone was patented by Palm before Apple even released Intel processors.

Oh so you've used one, please tell us how wonderful it is.

 

[roberry82]

So what your saying is that the millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of iPod owners out there globally should ditch said iPods and buy iPhones?

No, I think he's saying the Palm Pre lacks one of the biggest selling points to those "less techy": it syncs with iTunes and allows direct incorporation of your media [which other smart phones do too, but they don't allow syncing through iTunes].

If my up in age mother can use her iPhone as well as she does, Apple has done something right.

I tried to put music on a friend's Blackberry Pearl a couple weeks ago and nearly pulled my hair out. I'm sure it's easier than what I experienced, but no where near as easy as using iTunes.

"Own a Mac or a PC? Use iTunes?! Great! You'll be synced up with all your data and media in no time!" Tada... instant ease for consumers who've been on the iTunes/iPod bandwagon for years.

 

[TheSlush]

does this seem kind of... idk... lame to anyone else?

Yes.

1) Apple has no patent on multi-touch or swiping. They didn't invent those.

As I understood it, Apple acquired Fingerworks' multi-touch patents when it acquired Fingerworks.

 

[TheSlush]

1) Apple has no patent on multi-touch or swiping. They didn't invent those.

As I understood it, Apple acquired Fingerworks' multi-touch patents when it acquired Fingerworks.

 

[apolloa]

Palm could be dead, they haven't sold a single one and are on the brink of going bellyup. If this phone doesn't sell like crazy, they are gone.

But they haven't sold a single Pre yet because they haven't launched the Pr yet They have made this as a make or break device.

 

[apolloa]

No, I think he's saying the Palm Pre lacks one of the biggest selling points to those "less techy": it syncs with iTunes and allows direct incorporation of your media [which other smart phones do too, but they don't allow syncing through iTunes].

If my up in age mother can use her iPhone as well as she does, Apple has done something right.

I tried to put music on a friend's Blackberry Pearl a couple weeks ago and nearly pulled my hair out. I'm sure it's easier than what I experienced, but no where near as easy as using iTunes.

"Own a Mac or a PC? Use iTunes?! Great! You'll be synced up with all your data and media in no time!" Tada... instant ease for consumers who've been on the iTunes/iPod bandwagon for years.

As I already said, all those people that would find syncing with iTunes "Cool" already have iPods, they are going to think why should I pay maximum price on a very long term fixed contract with only 1 network. The iPhone is not value for money.

 

[Goona]

As I already said, all those people that would find syncing with iTunes "Cool" already have iPods, they are going to think why should I pay maximum price on a very long term fixed contract with only 1 network. The iPhone is not value for money.

Isn't the Pre going to be available on 1 network, I guess it's good for value of money.

 

[apolloa]

Isn't the Pre going to be available on 1 network, I guess it's good for value of money.

In the US yes, they have made no announcement for the rest of the world so I'm hoping not, or at least that I can buy it sim free which is what I want to do.

 

[bryantsiphone]

it can try to be anything but it wont get near the iphone.
look at the storm, the g1, for example, they try to imitate it
but cant.

 

[swagi]

S@&T ME SOMEONE WHO LIVES OUTSIDE APPLE AND POSTS HERE!!! SOMEONE WHO REALISES A LIFE OUTSIDE THE "JESUS" PHONE!!

Well done sir, you are a rare thing on this forum. Most people don't seem to have ever heard of Nokia or Sony Ericcson....

And yeap, you and me the consumers will be the ones wining anything this summer!

Thanx, I tried hard.

<completely off topic>

But, you know, most people here really love there Jesus Phone and they don't give a damn that iTunes, the most capable audio manager on the planet, has become a lame POS 'I do it all'-type of application.

I mean, really, does anyone here still remember the iSync-introduction? iSync is a very nice app, and the plugin architecture is perfect for syncing contact and calendar data. Worked like a charm with all my mobiles to date. I don't get, why all this stuff is done in iTunes, when iSync is the place, where all this should be.

Same applies to data transmission - nice and easy bluetooth data exchange with no problems. No stupid proprietary connector, no cable. Just nice and easy. Want to backup the data on your phone? Now just connect with Bluetooth and copy the folders you like to your HDD. Can it be any cleaner than that?

Well, Apple nows and decides, what is best for us. So they decided to put this stupid iPhoto-thing on your Mac. You lost control over your pictures back then. Yes, you can categorize and tag via that horrible GUI. Ever tried to browse one photo in your iPhoto-library using Finder, because you want to use it elsewhere? No, you either browse all day, or you tell iPhoto to put a copy of that pic in a destination folder. Yeah - we get bigger HDDs all the time, so why not use these resources...

Then came that bloody Fair-Play-stuff and the Jesus Phone - and it all went wrong. iTunes became the stupid eye-candy BS we now have on our Macs.

I so wish, all these new iPhone kiddies would just spend one day with the sleek elegance of Panther and iTunes4. Maybe they'd then get a notion of how iTUNES degenerated into iSHOP&SYNC&WATCH MOVIES.

And the grand masterplan behind all tht was, that you don't need to worry about the data on your precious Jesus Phone.
/rant

 

[GimmeSlack12]

As I already said, all those people that would find syncing with iTunes "Cool" already have iPods, they are going to think why should I pay maximum price on a very long term fixed contract with only 1 network. The iPhone is not value for money.

And what is Value for Money then? I mean, people like to make iTunes/iPods/Apple appear like this fashion trend because even "moms" and computer illiterates find them fun to use. Therefore the tech savvy need not apply.

iTunes syncing is "Cool" because it makes you productive with less effort, or perhaps even makes you feel smart because you can achieve what you want to achieve (and not settle for a compromised solution because it was too technical for you to figure out). And you want to ignore this and go with a more difficult route?

I don't get it. Are people really that concerned with avoiding "Cool"? Even if it means dealing with a less enjoyable product?

I so wish, all these new iPhone kiddies would just spend one day with the sleek elegance of Panther and iTunes4. Maybe they'd then get a notion of how iTUNES degenerated into iSHOP&SYNC&WATCH MOVIES.

But Panther doesn't have Expose or Spaces. Why would I want that crap? C'mon, you can turn off a crapload of options in iTunes 8, it's not that hard.

 

[dtich]

Couldn't have put it better.

Give me a single example of Apple directly responding to any competitor's product? They don't ever do that. They just set their course and go. I never understand these "Wow, this will really get Apple's butt in gear" comments because a) Apple's butt is already in high gear as it is and b) Apple doesn't seem to give a rip what others are doing. If that were the case, we would have had copy-and-paste in the iPhone from the start. We would have had DRM-free music in iTunes a couple years ago.

Apple has consistently followed their own compass and not shown any worry about getting bogged down matching features with the wannabes.

ok, enough already. what is it with you people?? always talking sh**t. not necessarily you ink, but i quote you because others have seconded this down the line...

apple didn't do cut/paste earlier because they had not setup the very complex framework of a system-wide pasteboard and wanted to fully integrate it, which it now is i can tell you. they don't want to half-ass the whole thing, which is part of why we love their products. and don't pretend you don't.

drm-free music is what apple wanted to do and the record companies made them do it with drm, so stop that baseless whining. amazon finally convinced the records to open it up as it was all crumbling anyway and now itunes will have drm-free as well... so chill. it is a process, the record industry was/is collapsing/re-structuring and that takes a bit of time.

and true multi-tasking will be on the iphone, preemptive, persistent memory, multi-tasking. they are waiting for a processor that can handle it properly and to structure the memory pagination so it works without hiccups, like we all want it to. that too would certainly have been done earlier if they felt like they could. the mac has been fully multi-tasking for generations, the mac os is the most stable multi-thread os out there, and iphone os is based on it, so what would you expect?? just.. hang... on.... for.. a.. freaking.. second. will ya? jeez. they are trying to get it all done, but done correctly. wait till you have six or seven apps open on the pre and see how slow that thing goes. hear me now and believe me later.

and if you think 'all the apps are interconnected' in the pre, wait till it releases and everyone discovers that, yes, fandango (or fandora as she kept calling it) integrated their app very well with the pre os, but others likely have not. lots of apps on the iphone can and will do that as well.

is the pre nicely designed? yep, i think so too. can apple learn a trick or two from it? sure. will they? probably. like, not having to click all the way back the the springboard to add a contact to contacts, or make a call from an email contact, etc. it, will, happen. don't worry.

just stop saying stuff with no damn basis in fact or history.

ok. have at me.

 

[dtich]

You mean in exactly the same way that Apple does with it's demonstrably misleading iPhone ads?

all 'ads' are simulated so they work and look perfect, it's an ad. but a demo should be different. really. i think.

but, yes, they all do it.

 

[gnasher729]

How so?

Obviously by your choice of words. The British Advertising Standards Authority would never be "rapping anyone's knuckles". They just send a letter that an advertisement states things that are not proven facts, for example. Your choice of words indicates something completely different. It implies that Apple was accused of doing something immoral or underhanded when this was not the case. So you give a wrong impression. Which is exactly what you wouldn't be allowed to do in an advertisement.

You may also have missed that Palm had to retract a lot of statements that it made about the Palm Pre, not because someone on the outside told them, but on advice of its own lawyers (who must almost have had a heart attack when they read some of those statements).

 

[apolloa]

And what is Value for Money then? I mean, people like to make iTunes/iPods/Apple appear like this fashion trend because even "moms" and computer illiterates find them fun to use. Therefore the tech savvy need not apply.

How about a phone with simple features like MMS from LAUNCH? And don't even go down the route of it's not used, maybe in the US but it is used every where else, it's one simple feature that the cheapest phone on the market had yet one of the most expensive did not. That's total lack of value for money. And I don't expect 2 thirds of iPhone owners really care or do sync their data.
And people are concerned about choice, that's something the iPhone doesn't currently offer, you HAVE to join O2 in the UK to use it fully like visual voice mail. If O2's reception is crap where you live then tough, no iPhone.