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the two things that i wish apple would do to the iphone:

-better integration with 3rd party apss and their own (i.e.. fandango)
-adopt the round corners the pre has in their apps (superficial yes i know)

If you watch the precentral video, it looks like the pre is getting more sluggish. The fandango app is the perfect example of the intergration with calendar that i mainly like about the Pre. Apple should really be doing the same thing.
 
I don't think its anything near what iPhone is, but its a good addition to the family of smartphones. I think generally public is moving away from usual phone and getting into the smartphones types.

Pre is not iPhone killer, is more like Blackberry Killer or Windows Mobile.
 
I hear the president of Palm is sort of a stuck-up and he's going to price this for $399 fully subsidized... :eek:

Not in today's economy...


I'd seriously doubt that it will be $399 for a 8gb phone from a company on it's deathbed. That's suicide. A 32gb iphone for the same price would be out at that time.
 
For me, iPhone 3.0 brings nearly everything I need to a phone. Except for a few things:

1. Better notification system - IMHO, the current iPhone notification system is absolutely terrible. With push notifications coming, I really hope in the near future Apple changes their notification strategy. I hope they go with how either the Palm Pre or Android does their notifications - very well done, imho.

2. REAL Multitasking - I think this is an eventuality, so I can be patient on this one. Push notifications (for the most part) should cover around 70% of my needs. It's just the notification thing that needs to be adjusted (see point #1).

3. Better home screen organization - a form of stacks? Categories? Anything? It's getting a bit out of hand.

w00master
 
I'm impressed by the video. Palm is going to sell a lot of these things. I wish they had shown the web browser in action, since that's the "app" i use most often and is the most important app on a smartphone, imho
 
If anything is going to give Apple a run for its money, it will be the Pre. The BB Storm and Android G1 were nice, but they just don't cut it. Can't wait until the Pre makes its debut on GSM networks. Hopefully it will be soon or I'm switching to Sprint.
 
a rebuttal...

Android is rough and unpolished like a beta. This thing looks slick and finalized

Have you seen the palmcentral video? That thing looks sluggish. There were constant re-tapping of buttons and very slow to load apps. Not to mention also that when playing movie trailers, the edges of the video were cut off because of the rounded screen which makes it not too good for watching shows or movies.

The Pre has some nice things in it but it is clear that:
a) The device is not ready because it is too slow
or
b)The OS is going to be that sluggish with all the background apps.
 
The woman talking sounds akwardly seductive.

3 things:

1. Hahah i know! Terrible voice for this!

2. The interface of the palm looks awesome, i love it. Much better then the iPhone.

3. How did she wrote the email?
 
how exactly did she type that reply?
on screen? voice commands? the power of her MIND?

NO SH**T!! i thought the same thing! this is a total mockup, not at all the real thing in action, they made a video and put voice over to it. not nearly the same as an 'operating system in action'.

i am proud of palm for jumping in both feet, and the os looks very promising, i hope they are honest about completely ripping off the iphone os - which is fine - iphone os is a really strong super well thought out platform. and certainly apple learned from palm in the early days as well...

but, there is no way this works like the video, keyboard issues, network, processing, etc etc, all taken out of the equation in this mockup. this is a concept presentation and nothing more if you ask me. so, fine.

and my bet is iphone os will have multi-tasking/threading with the next hardware rev. i'm way in line for that.

:)
 
It's Competition!

Competition! That's how Apple will lower prices and innovate (moreso than they do now).

Throw as much money as you want to Apple and they will spend some for R&D and improve existing products, yes. However, there's nothing quite like the fire of legitimate competition burning your profit away from your shareholders to motivate those suits and lab coats.

I hope Palm sells millions of these.

:apple:
 
From what I've seen the Palm Pre seems to have several nice features with a handful of deficiencies, not unlike any other phone on the market including the iPhone.

Unfortunately, while the product seems appealing and innovative I have serious doubts about the company. I say this as someone who owned a Pilot before they were available on the market and had the US Robotics label still fresh on it. Whereas Apple has rolled out a series of frequent improvements not only for the iPhone but for the majority of its products (with some sad exceptions) Palm has been unable to upgrade their OS since I had the last cool Palm OS handheld, the Sony NR-70 (a very cool form factor).

I can't speak for anyone else, but for Palm to win me back as a customer two things need to happen. First, Palm needs to prove that it can update their products and improve them reliably. And secondly, Apple has to really, really, really screw it up. I'm willing to give Apple as much of a benefit of the doubt as I gave Palm back when I used one of their devices so having me migrate back to their OS is not something I will take lightly. Apple has a long way to go before it screws up as badly Palm did and to exhaust my patience and expectations.
 
Ultrayawn.

An inferior product with an inferior supporting ecosystem arriving in the middle of a global economic downturn.

Yeah. iPhone killer. Sure.
 
Actually, now that I've watched the precentral video, the phone looks kinda sluggish and less easy to use than I thought. It's pretty ugly too. What's with the rounded edges of the screen! Maybe It'll be better before release. :rolleyes:
 
I like it and would get it if I was on Sprints network which,thank god, I'm not! I WILL NEVER GIVE UP MY IPHONE! :)
 
I have to say, if I was a flaming anti-Apple zealot like all of the nerds on Engadget, Gizmodo, and Digg, I would definitely be getting the Pre. I still hate physical keyboards on phones though.
 
I was just going to say the same thing! Why wouldn't they show this?

Because when you actually try to type on the small keyboard that slides out on the bottom, the screen goes wobbling around like a tetherball on a schoolyard. The thing is terribly balanced.
 
Its in a different league than the iphone, but I dont think it is a "competitor" since its on a different carrier. Apple would be in trouble if it was on ATT, but its not. Also it has to be priced for the MAINSTREAM to have even the slightest effect for Sprint, not the rich, if Sprint lets them charge $600-800 then they just wasted millions on a useless exclusivity contract.

I think apple's only advantage over this thing is the app store, I doubt palm has an answer to that. Still, the pre kicks the iphones ass so hard in other categories that it probably doesnt matter.
 
From what I've seen the Palm Pre seems to have several nice features with a handful of deficiencies, not unlike any other phone on the market including the iPhone.

Unfortunately, while the product seems appealing and innovative I have serious doubts about the company. I say this as someone who owned a Pilot before they were available on the market and had the US Robotics label still fresh on it. Whereas Apple has rolled out a series of frequent improvements not only for the iPhone but for the majority of its products (with some sad exceptions) Palm has been unable to upgrade their OS since I had the last cool Palm OS handheld, the Sony NR-70 (a very cool form factor).

I can't speak for anyone else, but for Palm to win me back as a customer two things need to happen. First, Palm needs to prove that it can update their products and improve them reliably. And secondly, Apple has to really, really, really screw it up. I'm willing to give Apple as much of a benefit of the doubt as I gave Palm back when I used one of their devices so having me migrate back to their OS is not something I will take lightly. Apple has a long way to go before it screws up as badly Palm did and to exhaust my patience and expectations.

Right on... although it may take defectors a few iterations of the iPhone to realize this.
 
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