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Palm Pre DEFINITELY KICK BUTTS (puts iphone on shame)!

kdarling said:
It's an iPhone forum.

Did you ever stop to think that perhaps half of iPhone owners, and probably a lot more of iPod touch owners, use something other than a Mac?

Did you really think that every iPhone/touch owner is an Apple groupie?

:) :)
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Indeed, I have a jailbroken iTouch completely pimped out and I use a Windows XP PC (Vista = lol). Closest I've come to using a Mac is using ObjectDock Plus on my PC. Very nice product.
 
Shawn D said:
The iphone just has too many things going for it too be touched by the palm pre. And what does the ore even stand for? Pre fail. I mean seriously, they are releasing it on one of the worst carriers IMO in customer service aswell as coverage areas.
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I guess everything will be alright, since your opinion doesn't mean $h!t.
 
Shawn D said:
The iphone just has too many things going for it too be touched by the palm pre. And what does the ore even stand for? Pre fail. I mean seriously, they are releasing it on one of the worst carriers IMO in customer service aswell as coverage areas.
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Wait... I though the general consensus here was that AT&T was the worst carrier?!?!
Make up your mind already. :rolleyes:
 
Palm pre definitely has a few of the iphones features BEAT. Especially it appears it carries a hell of a lot more ram (what the iphone lacks A LOT OF, OH i just closed Text on accident, let me hurry and reply before this traffic light turns green i should have time!.. oh wait nevermind, text app took a ridiculous 18 seconds to load and chose the worst time to load so slowly.)

I enjoy how easy and understandable and how WELL they put "multitasking" into very good use.

The notifications from IM's, Texts, alerts, etc.. are genius and how the iphone should have been in the first place, the G1's alerts are similar.

If that thing had an apple dock connector i'd give it a go.
 
Masquerade said:
i'm a mac fanboy, i don't work for palm but i used to work close to one of the filials fruit. I know barely how they work and how centric fanboys work.

Apple is a fascinating world - one that could be one subject of study.

As today i'm asking me why my sony ericsson T610 can be paired with bluetooth with Mac OS X 10.2 jaguar and sync wirelessly the contacts.
Is not funny??
Do not answer please, this is one of thousands examples.

Pre answers all the whinings from iphone. Also is coming in GSM version for europe.
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That's great. It's good that you have admitted that you are a fanboy. But there in your problem lies. You know just enough to allow yourself to complete the most basic tasks and you are comparing a phone that has not even been released yet with a phone that you admit to not owning. I've actually owned Nokia, Samsung, and Motorola phones including a krzer sitting on my kitchen counter. I currently own a 3G iPhone and I jailbroke my first gen iPod Touch and then restored and upgraded to 2.1 before selling it to a colleague.

I'm a windows application developer at work but I have enough of an understanding of OS X development to know what potential the iPhone platform has compared with Windowmobile. You are obviously impressed by a lot of flashy shiny things but I'm more impressed with stuff that actually works with my mac without having to buy kludgy third-party software.

Blu-tooth syncing is a joke with most phones compared to what the iPhone provides.

PS. Speaking as a developer, I'm excited by the potential the iPhone SDK offers for applications and games in the future. Talk to any developer from EA and they will probably set you straight about which platform is easier to develop for. Hint, it's not windows mobile or that Javascript based webOS Palm is pushing.
@kdarling: This is a sub-forum of macrumors.com. I'm sure there are still a few Palm fanboy forums out there. Like I said, many mac users here have experienced the pain of trying to sync with other handsets in the past.
 
aristotle said:
Blu-tooth syncing is a joke with most phones compared to what the iPhone provides..
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Well, when it comes to bluetooth syncing on the mac it's a no brainer and does rock. When it comes to using bluetooth on phones with a more open bluetooth compatibility ( such as most of the motorola's )... the software BluePhone which i paid for as it was one of the most useful things out there. Being able to text and answer calls on my computer leaving my phone in my pocket was the best thing. I wish apple would open up bluetooth to developers to allow the team building bluephone to implement the iphone. Thinking about bluephone in general doesn't sound that great, but after using it for a month and then switching to and iphone is a total downer, jailbreaking the phone and using VNC to control it is an alternative but trouble-some and surely terrible on the battery and requires you to Ad-hoc your network when not at home or not near a router.
 
carve said:
Hmm...I wonder if ATT will be getting this by the holidays?
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Probably not, but you could probably get an unlocked version and use it on AT&T once Palm creates ships a GSM version.

Also Palm is going to put WebOS on everything new after the Pre from what I understand so just because the Pre is Sprint exclusive doesn't mean you won't see a great device on your carrier in the near future.
 
There are alot of phones which puts Iphone to shame, hardware wise that is. One of the thing which puts the Iphone above the competition is Itunes and the app store. There just doesn't seem to be a unified appstore for these other phones which makes purchasing apps so easy and comfortable. Syncing everything is a breeze as well.
 
island said:
I missed the memo when Sony bought Bluetooth and renamed it. :D
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I always thought it was Blu-Ray and not Blue because you can't easily patent colors and numbers...And I guess Bluetooth is more "universal", less proprietary, somehow, could be wrong though:)
 
aristotle said:
That's great. It's good that you have admitted that you are a fanboy. But there in your problem lies. You know just enough to allow yourself to complete the most basic tasks and you are comparing a phone that has not even been released yet with a phone that you admit to not owning. I've actually owned Nokia, Samsung, and Motorola phones including a krzer sitting on my kitchen counter. I currently own a 3G iPhone and I jailbroke my first gen iPod Touch and then restored and upgraded to 2.1 before selling it to a colleague.

I'm a windows application developer at work but I have enough of an understanding of OS X development to know what potential the iPhone platform has compared with Windowmobile. You are obviously impressed by a lot of flashy shiny things but I'm more impressed with stuff that actually works with my mac without having to buy kludgy third-party software.

Blu-tooth syncing is a joke with most phones compared to what the iPhone provides.

PS. Speaking as a developer, I'm excited by the potential the iPhone SDK offers for applications and games in the future. Talk to any developer from EA and they will probably set you straight about which platform is easier to develop for. Hint, it's not windows mobile or that Javascript based webOS Palm is pushing.
@kdarling: This is a sub-forum of macrumors.com. I'm sure there are still a few Palm fanboy forums out there. Like I said, many mac users here have experienced the pain of trying to sync with other handsets in the past.
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well i suck at cocoa. palm will launch a competitiv sdk its just what they said. i dont want to make assumptions like ooh 'the frontend is ajax so ..restricted ' the OS the must know already what to do.
and yes i suck at coding.
 
Unless and until someone else develops an app developer community on par with what apple has set up, nothing could convince me to leave the iphone. That's probably cries "fanboy" to some of you, but it's really not.

I'd say fully half of what I use my iphone for comes from 3rd party applications. I'm not about to give up Stanza (which is by itself reason enough for me to choose an iphone over anything else), iXpensit, Shazam, Air Sharing, mSecure, Pace, a host of great games, and many more because the Pre/Storm/G1/etc. has a nicer camera than the iphone (or whatever your feature of choice may be).

The app store is a game-changer. Apple hardly has to compete with Palm/RIM/HTC/etc. because they have thousands of private developers doing it for them.
 
QCassidy352 said:
Unless and until someone else develops an app developer community on par with what apple has set up, nothing could convince me to leave the iphone. That's probably cries "fanboy" to some of you, but it's really not.

I'd say fully half of what I use my iphone for comes from 3rd party applications. I'm not about to give up Stanza (which is by itself reason enough for me to choose an iphone over anything else), iXpensit, Shazam, Air Sharing, mSecure, Pace, a host of great games, and many more because the Pre/Storm/G1/etc. has a nicer camera than the iphone (or whatever your feature of choice may be).

The app store is a game-changer. Apple hardly has to compete with Palm/RIM/HTC/etc. because they have thousands of private developers doing it for them.
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Good point, I must agree. :cool:
 
QCassidy352 said:
Unless and until someone else develops an app developer community on par with what apple has set up, nothing could convince me to leave the iphone. That's probably cries "fanboy" to some of you, but it's really not.

I'd say fully half of what I use my iphone for comes from 3rd party applications. I'm not about to give up Stanza (which is by itself reason enough for me to choose an iphone over anything else), iXpensit, Shazam, Air Sharing, mSecure, Pace, a host of great games, and many more because the Pre/Storm/G1/etc. has a nicer camera than the iphone (or whatever your feature of choice may be).

The app store is a game-changer. Apple hardly has to compete with Palm/RIM/HTC/etc. because they have thousands of private developers doing it for them.
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That's almost exactly what people were saying about Palm and PalmGear around 5 to 10 years ago. Millions of PalmPilot handhelds sold. Many thousands of PalmOS developers, and huge developer conferences. Thousands of apps for these devices, some of which people still find indispensable today.

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QCassidy352 said:
Unless and until someone else develops an app developer community on par with what apple has set up, nothing could convince me to leave the iphone. That's probably cries "fanboy" to some of you, but it's really not.
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There are something like 18,000 WM apps. I think 13,000 Blackberry apps. Unknown thousands of Java mobile apps, which most other phones can also use. I have no idea how many Symbian or BREW apps, but quite a few. Ditto for Palm apps years ago.

As older smartphone owners know, you can find many of these at Handango's store.

There are untold numbers of specialized corporate apps as well, which are not for public sale. For instance the handheld WM computers that Apple stores use.

More importantly, other platforms have neat categories of apps that Apple simply doesn't allow, that either require background processing, could "duplicate" Apple functionality, or give you personal customization options.
 
QCassidy352 said:
Unless and until someone else develops an app developer community on par with what apple has set up, nothing could convince me to leave the iphone. That's probably cries "fanboy" to some of you, but it's really not.

I'd say fully half of what I use my iphone for comes from 3rd party applications. I'm not about to give up Stanza (which is by itself reason enough for me to choose an iphone over anything else), iXpensit, Shazam, Air Sharing, mSecure, Pace, a host of great games, and many more because the Pre/Storm/G1/etc. has a nicer camera than the iphone (or whatever your feature of choice may be).

The app store is a game-changer. Apple hardly has to compete with Palm/RIM/HTC/etc. because they have thousands of private developers doing it for them.
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I guess you missed the 90's, where everything you speak of was already accomplished with Palm and other smartphone makers.

You are correct in what you say, and I agree, but it has been done before. Apple is actually the one entering the game a little late.
 
heh, got some responses with that one. :)

The question isn't "are there apps for other platforms," it's "are there apps of the same variety, quality, and novelty. And is there an easy, one-stop delivery method for getting those apps."

It's the ipod all over again. It wasn't the first mp3 player. It wasn't even the first high-capacity mp3 player. But it was the first mp3 player to change the way people thought about mp3 players.

That's what the app store does. Do you think your average bb owner knows there are 13,000 bb apps? I'm a bb owner (from work) and I had no idea. Where would I go to get these apps? Are they all in the same place? How would I install them? Do they cost money? How much money? Are the apps safe? Who develops them? What happens if they screw up my device? Can I read reviews of them? Are they sorted by category? What categories are there? Do the apps work on all blackberries, or are they model-specific?

And last question - do you think the average iphone owner knows more or less about iphone apps than I know about bb apps?
 
People can surprise you.

A few months back, Verizon announced that over ten million people had downloaded their free song id (think Shazaam) BREW application for dumb phones.

I didn't even think that 10,000 people knew how to download an app onto their dumb phone, much less a thousand times that many.
 
firewood said:
That's almost exactly what people were saying about Palm and PalmGear around 5 to 10 years ago. Millions of PalmPilot handhelds sold. Many thousands of PalmOS developers, and huge developer conferences. Thousands of apps for these devices, some of which people still find indispensable today.

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I suspect most Palms sold had few if any third party apps on them because it was not simple to locate and/or use apps on the palm platform. Especially as in relation to the iPhone. It is really not a comparison. What Apple has done with the App store is revolutionary in terms of the ability of developers to reach their audience and for ease of use by the end user to actually use third party products. There has never been anything I think of with the level of synergy currently tying the two sides together.
 
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