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Palm Pre DEFINITELY KICK BUTTS (puts iphone on shame)!

Digital Skunk said:
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I do hope that the iPhone does get the power to edit documents and spreadsheets and such since it means more people may be interested in getting some bigger smart phone features in an OS update or so.

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off topic question but i have to ask, what is this fascination with people wanting to be able to edit spreadsheets on a phone?

i have a groupful of my buddies that graduated and are working at PWC/Ernst & Young/KPMG/etc. they all have company assigned laptops to do their Excel stuff on and i've yet seen any of them try to do their work on a PDA. actually, i've never even seen the accounting guys at my bank tacking spreadsheets on a cellphone. juding from the stuff they do on Excel i don't think i want to try work with it on a PDA either.

am i just living in the wrong part of the U.S. of A where no one does spreadsheets on their phone?

now, back to the topic at hand. good luck to Palm. always had a soft spot for them. was a Sprint user that went Treo 600>650>700p and eventually gave up on both the phone and carrier.

i really don't see how this news differ from all the other "we're gonna kick the iPhone's ass" that comes from HTC/BB/Samsung/Nokia/LG et al since the original iPhone was released.

but hey...the more, the merrier :D
 
benzslrpee said:
i have a groupful of my buddies that graduated and are working at PWC/Ernst & Young/KPMG/etc. they all have company assigned laptops to do their Excel stuff on and i've yet seen any of them try to do their work on a PDA. actually, i've never even seen the accounting guys at my bank tacking spreadsheets on a cellphone. juding from the stuff they do on Excel i don't think i want to try work with it on a PDA either.
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That's because they probably have laptops with WiFi cards or cell phones that can tether to their laptops (that is, not iPhones :().
 
QCassidy352 said:
The question isn't "are there apps for other platforms," it's "are there apps of the same variety, quality, and novelty. And is there an easy, one-stop delivery method for getting those apps."
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There are thousands of apps for Win Mo and Blackberry phones, but there really is no easy one-stop shopping place to get them. You can find great message boards who will provide many links though.

QCassidy352 said:
That's what the app store does. Do you think your average bb owner knows there are 13,000 bb apps? I'm a bb owner (from work) and I had no idea. Where would I go to get these apps? Are they all in the same place? How would I install them? Do they cost money? How much money?...
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I doubt the average BB user knows this. For me, I wouldn't really care if there was no App Store. I don't really download games and I only heavily use about 5-10 apps on my iPhone (even though I have 5 pages of apps). I really don't think it would be that hard to just go to those individual developer websites to download those 5-10 apps. Heck, it would probably save me a bunch of time in the long-run because with the app store, I spend an awful lot of my time sifting through all the garbage.
 
benzslrpee said:
but hey...the more, the merrier :D
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It's more about having the option. I don't edit spreadsheets either, but there may be someone who does. I have used Excel on my WinMo phone and it isn't that bad, but my fiancee and i use Word Mobile religiously and can't have a phone that doesn't allow us to open, create, and edit word docs. There are times where I have to churn out a simple contract right on the spot and bluetooth the file to a nearby printer or computer to print.

I can't do that with the iPhone, but the trashy Palm 755p that my fiancee has can. it's really sad on the iPhone's part. The main point is having the option though.

On the other hand, HTC and the others just make different phones. It's really the zealots that see large touch screens and instantly brand a phone a supposed iPhone killer, then hold it up to the iPhone's limited feature set and when it doesn't match exactly bash it and tear the phone down. My HTC Touch does things the iPhone can't do for less. Not to mention it's insured, and that alone FOR ME beats the iPhone. Others will disagree.

The Palm Pre takes the best of all worlds so far, all "it's not tested yet fanboy/zealot" speak aside, it gives users options the iPhone won't have for a long while, it's a good chance it will be insured, it does iPhone things better, and is more like a desktop OS.

But as everyone says, competition is good, and hopefully Palm will make more versions of not just the Pre, but other handhelds with the Pre OS. Hopefully, HTC will just put Android on all their phones and leave WinMo behind. And hopefully WinMo 7 will be as great as MS hopes it will be.
 
benzslrpee said:
am i just living in the wrong part of the U.S. of A where no one does spreadsheets on their phone?
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Good question. A similar question can be asked about all those who claim their (fill in the blank, but usually iphone) is going to replace notebooks.

Sometimes I need to look at one, yes. And it doesn't hurt to be able to edit it in an emergency. But would I create one on a PDA? No way.

Heck, I don't even like using my laptop's touchscreen. A mouse is much easier and more accurate, unless I'm just goofing around or testing.

i really don't see how this news differ from all the other "we're gonna kick the iPhone's ass" that comes from HTC/BB/Samsung/Nokia/LG et al since the original iPhone was released.
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Has any maker actually said they have a (fill in the blank) killer? Or isn't that something that the various online magazines and fans always make up?
 
kdarling said:
If you haven't seen it, read the article (and watch the video) here at Engadget:

Palm Pre investor talks about features

Love the part about the phone going out in the morning, and downloading info to help you with your day's activities. I agree... computers should be a lot more helpful.
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Beat me to it! And yea, I was pretty impressed when he said all that about helping you out in the morning. If you're late to a scheduled meeting it will ask if you would like an email sent to that person(s) explaining your tardiness and then pop up the map to your location. If it works that smooth then that's pretty impressive. I'd have to hear from some people that have actually used it first though.

Palm Pre is looking mighty fine folks, if it does everything that they claim it does and without a hitch I think Apple may have a fight on their hands and I love it! Bring it on :apple:!
 
Very awesome and informative video. I love the part when he starts pulling out all the phones. It's cool that he really is in tune with his competitions' product's strengths and weaknesses. I like how everything is integrated on the Pre. As of now, very little is integrated on the iPhone (except for photos, email, and the phone).
 
good video! palm is definitely moving in the right direction. finally a smart phone that is truly smart. we'll see how well that concept works in real life... i got a feeling that in the real world, this automated smart function might get annoying or confusing at times...
 
Whenever someone says that other devices don't have an app store... well, that's just ignorance. Handango has been a primary place to go for a long time for many devices.

I've had an account for at least six years. Just search, find, click, download. Not as cute as the iPhone, but certainly as, or almost as easy. (The usual complication is that it's common for other phones to have trial software, and you'll need to get an unlock code via email if you decide to buy.)

Coincidentally, Handango is celebrating their 10th anniversary, and has released various stats on numbers of apps:

Handango's Anniversary Stats
 
I watched the video, and just wasn't impressed. He can give cite the drawbacks (to him) of the other phones, but I'm not all that impressed with the Pre. It will send an email to whomever telling them I'll be late? Wow. He certainly didn't sell me on what else the Pre can do that the iPhone doesn't already do. It knows where I am and where I should be? If I used my phone for corporate reasons, I'd have purchased the BB.
 
kas23 said:
There are thousands of apps for Win Mo and Blackberry phones, but there really is no easy one-stop shopping place to get them. You can find great message boards who will provide many links though.



I have a 8830 and all i do is open the browser and bam theres a tab that says Get Apps, so yah so much for that. And these forums are kinda silly, iphone people swear by it and so do BB about their own. I personally dont like i phone b/c of no mms, push email, camcorder, and i absolutely hate with a passion, trying to type on there. I dont have sausage fingers and i still have an impossible time typing. Touch will pretty much never beat our real buttons.
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This thing looks pretty hawt! But let's see what Apple has up their sleeves by the time this thing gets announced! Keep in mind that Palm has just shown their hand of cards and Apple has not yet...
 
spaceballl said:
This thing looks pretty hawt! But let's see what Apple has up their sleeves by the time this thing gets announced! Keep in mind that Palm has just shown their hand of cards and Apple has not yet...
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But ... do you really believe Apple is going to experience some sort of Corporate epiphany and suddenly start allowing ... multi-tasking with active background apps? ... programmatic access to all the PIM databases? ... flash?

I don't. And I want them.

We might get copy. Or paste. Or maybe even copy and paste... In release 3.1, but come on. The iPhone is great. But by the looks of things, Apple has been caught, and surpassed.

If you consider the entire package ... the OS ... the device(s) ... the corporate philosophy behind it, webOS seems to be most exciting platform for the future. If the device release lives up to expectations, it's the one I'm hitching my horse to, no doubt about it.
 
PatrickRS said:
The iPhone is great. But by the looks of things, Apple has been caught, and surpassed.
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They very may well have. But, I don't see this changing Apple's philosophy either. There are plenty of other phones already on the market that have more features and functions than the iPhone, and Apple has done nothing different to respond to these. I don't think it is the feature/functions of other phones that Apple cares about, it is the sales. Once a phone comes out that really challenges the iPhone is the sales dept, then we will see Apple start to change their ways. I really hope the Pre sells very well - if it doesn't, you can blame Sprint.
 
PatrickRS said:
But ... do you really believe Apple is going to experience some sort of Corporate epiphany and suddenly start allowing ... multi-tasking with active background apps? ... programmatic access to all the PIM databases? ... flash?

I don't. And I want them.

We might get copy. Or paste. Or maybe even copy and paste... In release 3.1, but come on. The iPhone is great. But by the looks of things, Apple has been caught, and surpassed.

If you consider the entire package ... the OS ... the device(s) ... the corporate philosophy behind it, webOS seems to be most exciting platform for the future. If the device release lives up to expectations, it's the one I'm hitching my horse to, no doubt about it.
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Very well said, and anyone can look at the computer lineup to see proof of Apple's philosophy of convincing people that what they have is better simply because of this logo, or that service, etc. even with the devices limitations.

I doubt people will actually see what the Palm WebOS has to offer, but those that do see it as being the next step in mobile handset OS tech will be hitching their horses, donkeys etc. as well. I hope both Apple are MS are taking note, I know WM7 is being touted as a major overhaul with full touch capabilities, and if they have the right idea, Apple's mini OSX may get left in the dust if not for a major overhaul.

The touch keyboard is enough evidence for me to know that Apple won't change at all, but will instead invest in getting people to change their minds about the phone. i.e. convincing some that multitasking, copy/paste, office productivity, cheaper cell plans, insurance, etc. aren't needed and are in some way a crutch.
 
I think we're bumping into/around the iPhone OS3.0 / v3 iPhone rumour vacuum.

Pre has some nifty concepts, and some good ideas. It also has some ground to catch up on, like actually having a handset released... As far as I know, Apple isn't exactly caught and surpassed in this situation. It's *theoretically* or hypothetically surpassed, for it's current generation phone.

Are the Pre's advantages thus far more software than hardware? It seems so. Which makes the advantages easier to catch up on with an upgrade to the OS on the iPhone.

In terms of "Putting x/y/z to shame". The 3rd generation iPhone i'd imagine will put the 2nd generation (iPhone 3G) to shame also.

A phone has phone sized limitations, and potential workarounds. Will Apple put everything into it? It's not really there philosophy. Best to try another phone if it's not to your suiting.

In terms of allow multi-tasking, flash etc - Apple, Jobs is on record about that. No need not to make that clear.
 
I need to say I'm very impressed with Palm Pre by GUI and multitasking, and both are very important for mobile devices like iPhone but we haven't seen much or Apple decided to limited what this phone can do. Now Pre is what Apple's 'i' suite to us on mobile device, unified UI styling with multitasking just bonded all built-in apps together (unclear on 3rd party now). Also allowing user to be able to customize their phone is a BIG plus too. Total number if available apps in App Store doesn't mean anything if you can't find app that works if someone consider App Store is killing feature on iPhone. Palm will 1000% copy this idea and developers won't miss this new market either as long as device is capable, and Palm allows.

ug.
 
t0mat0 said:
Pre has some nifty concepts, and some good ideas. It also has some ground to catch up on, like actually having a handset released...
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Good points, but I think this is one of Palm's advantages. They do have handsets out and have been making them for a while. They just don't have the Pre out yet.
 
Digital Skunk said:
I doubt people will actually see what the Palm WebOS has to offer, but those that do see it as being the next step in mobile handset OS tech will be hitching their horses, donkeys etc. as well.
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In order for the Palm to be successful, they will have to market the crap out of it. This is where every other phone maker has failed. This is probably why there is not "iPhone killer." They need to build-up the hype around this phone and keep the hype going.
 
Other phones sell amazingly well without iPhone-sized hype.

As I've commented before, the first iPhone was the most hyped device in years. Yet in the period that it sold its first 5 million, HTC quietly sold 3 million of their first Touch model.

In the latter part of 2008, Apple sold 4.4 million iPhones (although if they counted as they usually do, 1+ million of those are "in the inventory pipeline", not actually sold to end users). At the same time, HTC sold 1 million G1's, 2 million Touch Diamonds, and unknown million(s) of their Touch Pro.

Competitors don't need a "killer". They're doing just fine as is, getting free smartphone PR fallout from the iPhone, and selling on carriers that Apple has ignored.
 
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