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Palm Pre DEFINITELY KICK BUTTS (puts iphone on shame)!
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That's an article. Not a beta dev build that I can download and test. thanks for trying though.
The "hypocrisy" comment could be read two ways, and one of them is certainly an insult. As I said, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one. The "sorry you're that way" is also ambiguous but pushing it.
Not true.
1. You said my app list was all entertainment and ifart apps. That is simply fiction, and my assertion can be backed up by looking up those apps on the app store.
2. You said the app store was useless to you since it did not allow you to edit office/iwork docs. While I can't refute the app store's usefulness (or lackthereof) for you , the app store's overall success would indicate that you're in a distinct minority with that opinion, and that's the assertion I actually made.
3. Low-powered computers like an iphone or a Pre will run slower with many apps running than with one running. Running multiple apps at once will also drain the battery faster than running one at once. These are not opinions, but facts.
4. That background processes would be useful only for Pandora *to me* is a fact, not an opinion. I acknowledge that my uses may not be typical. That's why I asked what other uses background processes might have for Palm Pimp (who posted that comment about them). It was a serious question, but I've gotten no response.
5. It is a fact that Palm Pimp was attacking strawmen when he talked about the jailbreaking community starting app development. I never made that point and it is wholly irrelevant to the point I was actually making. That's the definition of a strawman.
6. It is a fact that apple has a real, currently functioning app store and palm does not.
The bit about a new iphone is not a fact, but it is based on both what Tim Cook said and common sense. It IS a fact that prototype 3rd gen iphones have been surfing websites since October, 2008 (MR had a front page story about it a while ago).
How is Palm "showing them up"? You can only compare shipping products. If you compare your own personal experience using an iPhone with a slick demo of another product that has been practiced for days, then you are a fool.
Fixed that for you.... and you'd have you'd have 12 dollars.
If you count the actual announced iPhone killers, you'd have 3 dollars.
Actually, not "announced" but plenty of mentions
Results 1 - 10 of about 5,960,000 for iphone killer
By the way, demos of vista before actual shipping fooled many people as a "good" product.
From what I've read and heard in Mac and other forums and by the general public, these were supposed to be iPhone killers...
~LG Voyager
~LG Dare
~HTC Touch
~HTC Touch Diamond
~Blackberry Storm
~Palm Pre
~Samsung Instinct
~Nokia N97
~Nokia 5800
So he'd have about $9...
Add this: The iPhone operating system has been developed and improved over the last twenty years, in the form of NextStep first, followed by MacOS X + Cocoa, followed by the iPhone OS. The foundation of iPhone OS is full industrial strength Unix, not some hacked together attempt at a new OS by a company that has had its day. And the iPhone OS is running on thirty million appliances, because it runs on the most popular iPod as well. That is a market worth developing for. How long do you think will the Palm Pre take to sell just a million phones? A year? Or two? How long will it take them until they sell their first phone?
FYI, many failures of Palm
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/E1DD097F-EE28-4FBA-A1F2-D831512E423F.html
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/E1DD097F-EE28-4FBA-A1F2-D831512E423F.html
Touche. Now that's how you rebuttle people!
Thanks for that, but it's be 8 since the HTC Touch was released BEFORE (only a few day though)the iPhone.
I thought the same thing, but the poster did say mention.
All someone has to do is mention the Foleo for Palm
Or the mighty mouse for Apple.
Ah, I see you added some content since I quoted your post. Again, you need to read more closely.
I never said no one edits documents on a 3.5" screen. I said I don't, and that the inability of the iphone to do that (using the app store) hasn't made the app store useless to most people.
Multitasking eating up battery life: I don't have a link for you, but are you seriously suggesting that running several apps at once doesn't use more power? It certainly does on a laptop.
I never said nobody would run anything but Pandora in the background. I said I wouldn't. I then asked what else one might run in the background that wouldn't be adequately solved by push notifications. That was a serious question.
"You don't find entertainment apps worthless": Yes, that's an opinion, and a pretty widely held one. It was only a "side point" because you seemed to be implying the reverse, and I find that hard to believe.
"Well if that's your sole criterion, then by all means, get a Pre, or a blackberry, or whatever else makes you happy": That's not an opinion; it's a suggestion. If that is your sole criterion (and it seems to be, since 25,000 apps are "useless" without that ability) then you won't be happy with an iphone.
"Basically Apple App store makes up for UI and feature issues" - I didn't say that. I said that the app store is a distinct advantage that the iphone has over the pre. and yes, in my opinion, it's an overwhelming advantage that would keep me with the iphone over the pre even prior to 3.0 because it adds an enormous amount of functionality for my purposes.
And by the way, what exactly is so wrong with opinions? This entire thread is premised on the opinion that the Pre "shames" the iphone. Sure there are some features you can point to (a lot fewer after today), but a feature-to-feature comparison only gets you so far. The ultimate position that one device is "better" than another will always be an opinion.
Nothing's wrong with opinions..... I've been spitting those all day long.
Look up and compare those to the original Palm OS apps and downloads over time.
And this is supposed to be the iphone killer?
I don't know, why don't you post them, I have the iphone numbers, Apple just released them.
Actually not. The strong points of the Pre over the iPhone is mostly it's multitasking and notification system. The Pre's notifications are far superior to the obtrusive iPhone Pop-up system that they didn't modify at all in 3.0, and it will only get worse with Push notifications. Just imagine if not only the SMS app, but any 3rd party app that wants to can interrupt your use with a message. I shudder to think what happens when you return to an unattended phone after a couple hours.
The second advantage is multitasking, which Apple didn't even address. Technically that doesn't mean they won't include it, but I really doubt it is coming.
There is a distinction between background apps and multiple apps. Background implies the app runs w/o a user interface, not that it is just simply hidden. When running multiple applications on your desktop, you don't call them background processes when you simply have your web browser maximized and in use. I am in support of no background processes. You can easily switch between running apps, however. Now imagine how easy it is in Safari on the iPhone to switch between browser pages and that will be the ease of switching applications.
The ironic thing is all the apps you mention benefit nothing from push notifications and everything from multitasking.
Stanza: there's no data to push. Essentially a text reader, it's memory footprint is tiny and you would lose nothing when multitasking with it. With the iPhone notifications, say you get a text message while reading a book, it pops up and interrupts your reading. If you want to reply, you now have to close Stanza, navigate your home pages to the SMS icon, reply (lag lag lag) then navigate back. On the Pre you'd get a simple notification along the bottom. Returning the book after replying nothing but a quick swipe up to close your text app. Done.
Air Sharing: again, there's no data to push. And what about multitasking? Oops, you just closed Air Sharing and lost your data connection. So you can view the files? That's fine and dandy till it comes to doing something useful, like, ya know, emailing them. Or how about fixing a small spelling error you notice? Nope. No worries, despite being available for a year, eventually a word processing app will show up in the App store, right? Oops, too bad it can't access the files in AirSharing with that app. Despite having Air Sharing, I feel a USB drive is faster and better for actual use (ex: where you don't have authorization or want to pay for a WiFi connection or where you don't have permissions on a terminal to set up a new WebDAV connection).
iXpensit: Oops, benefits nothing from push yet again. What could be useful, however, is multitasking with a mobile banking app, product/price search, shopping list, etc. Certainly feasible with the current iPhone but just that much easier when apps can multitask.
Pace: Uh oh, push useless again
I'm starting to see a pattern. You know what could make a running app powerful? If it could integrate the GPS to track your distance and time - all the while doing such CPU intensive tasks such as changing your playlist :/AccuFuel: Do I even have to say it or do you get it by now?
mSecure: Feel like I am beating a dead horse here about push. It would be nice, however, if you could multitask back and forth with the browser to copy/paste login or credit card information. I guess you'll just have to be content with relaunching and entering your password everytime. In fact that makes me wonder which is easier: switching between mSecure and safari twice, entering the mSecure password twice, and copy/pasting the login information twice, or just memorizing the site login/password and entering it directly into safari :/
Now Playing: *whacks the push horse with a stick* I don't know, maybe it can push new DVD or box office releases to you? I guess I could concede that would be a pretty useless, annoying feature. This app does call the browser and video player, however, so multitasking would work great with it.
Pandora: Oops, push = lame again. As far as multitasking - well this app is probably the single best reason for it.
Blackbeard's Assault: Hrm, maybe it could push a notification to you telling you when a new level is available to purchase through the app with the new app store model? Who doesn't love more ways to spend money at iTunes! As far as multitasking, I wouldn't know as I don't know how this game behaves when you close it.
If you really pay attention, all the keyboards are almost completely the same meaning that the "flexibility" isn't that great. If it had only one keyboard configuration I'd hardly notice a difference. The one time I did notice, however, is when trying to send a text message to my email, which happens to contain a dot - Oops, no dot character :/ Can't even select an email address from a contact as it automatically chooses the phone number.
Well first of all it's important to distinguish between multitasking applications and background processes. Multitasking is where more than one app can be open at the same time and users can easily switch apps. Background processes is where an application still has a component that runs even after the user has explicitly closed the application. I think that is always bad and welcome push as an alternative.
Having settled that, the only apps that really benefit from push notifications are apps that rely on the web for their content - streaming media, social networking, IM clients, RSS and news apps. That's it. Interesting that the alternative to multitasking on WebOS is pretty much only useful for web content.
The Pre looks good but I don't think it will beat the iPhone. It will probably come close, but the iPhone will still be on top.
The N97 looks cool but it lacks multi touch and I'd rather have a full touch screen phone than one with a physical QWERTY keyboard equipped.
The 5800 is DEFINITELY an iPhone clone. It looks good, but it doesn't look good enough to beat the iPhone.
The Storm is good but it needs serious updates.
The Dare....lol the browser is garbage on that thing and its features are limited.
The Instinct...lame
Voyager....no
HTC Touch & Diamond...not my thing
The N97, Pre, and Storm are the only devices listed up there that can really compete with the iPhone. The 5800 comes close, but I'm not sure how good its browser/email is.
Another phone that can compare with the iPhone is the Google G1. That device looks great.
iPhone ftw
He was posting the phones touted as being iPhone killers. Not comparing them to the iPhone.