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Palm Pre DEFINITELY KICK BUTTS (puts iphone on shame)!

Looks pretty impressive. Any date on when it's coming out, if it does?
 
I agree with the other posts it may put the iPhone to shame on paper but in reality who knows. I've seen the same said about BB Bold or Storm or any number of other phones for that matter. I purchased a Bold and while it's a great phone it simply doesn't compare to the iPhone and was quickly returned. So far nothing can beat the iPhone's simplicity, ease of use, iTunes, Safari, and App Store.
 
IMHO it doesn't really puts an iPhone on shame, that is just competition. Competition is always welcomed. Besides, this depends on user's preference, on my case nothing (still) beats the iPhone 3G.
 
NT1440 said:
Wait a minute, how does it shame the iphone?
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Do me a favour and open Safari. Open about 5 pages, hell open 2.

Now zoom out by going to page view. Scroll between pages. Realize something? Only your current page is actually active. When you go to another page, it has to load from scratch. Sometimes you might go to a 2nd page and quickly switch back to the 1st and see web content loaded up there! But no that's just a preview, when you go into it, it has to load up all over again.

Imagine if Safari pages were all active so that you didn't have to load things up every time?

Now imagine that with FULL FLEDGED APPS across the board. Even better than just having them active, you don't have to close out an app to use another.

THAT'S how BADLY Palm has shamed the iPhone. Just accomplishing that level of multitasking is unheard of on the iPhone: even jailbreaking it gives you at the most an app called Backgrounder which allows you to run one app at a time in the background, and you have to remember what that was once you closed it.

We haven't even gotten to the vastly improved beastly UI interface, cross app integration (Super Search, Im+SMS etc), Off screen gesturing to prevent obscuring what you loking at while swiping, wireless charger, removable battery, microSD, physical volume control button, etc. It's basically EVERYTHING that the iPhone does, what jailbreaking adds, the wishlist that people wished it had in the first place, open source from Google's Android, and improvements people never thought of (like Page Cards).

Are you freaking serious?
 
Palm Pimp said:
Do me a favour and open Safari. Open about 5 pages, hell open 2.

Now zoom out by going to page view. Scroll between pages. Realize something? Only your current page is actually active. When you go to another page, it has to load from scratch. Sometimes you might go to a 2nd page and quickly switch back to the 1st and see web content loaded up there! But no that's just a preview, when you go into it, it has to load up all over again.

Imagine if Safari pages were all active so that you didn't have to load things up every time?

Now imagine that with FULL FLEDGED APPS across the board. Even better than just having them active, you don't have to close out an app to use another.

THAT'S how BADLY Palm has shamed the iPhone. Just accomplishing that level of multitasking is unheard of on the iPhone: even jailbreaking it gives you at the most an app called Backgrounder which allows you to run one app at a time in the background, and you have to remember what that was once you closed it.

We haven't even gotten to the vastly improved beastly UI interface, cross app integration (Super Search, Im+SMS etc), Off screen gesturing to prevent obscuring what you loking at while swiping, wireless charger, removable battery, microSD, physical volume control button, etc. It's basically EVERYTHING that the iPhone does, what jailbreaking adds, the wishlist that people wished it had in the first place, open source from Google's Android, and improvements people never thought of (like Page Cards).

Are you freaking serious?
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Relax man! I think that the palm UI is now the best out there and I'm thinking about getting one when it comes out. But you're acting as if you have one already when no one, including engadget and gizmodo, have actually used it. They were only allowed to hold it for a couple of minutes while a palm rep was also holding it. We don't know what the battery life is or how long it lasts with background apps running. It's running a next gen processor that hasn't been officially released yet, only coming with 8gb of space and there is no word of what the price will be. We do know that it will be expensive as palm already has hinted as much.We don't know the performance hit is of having multiple apps open.

Does the iPhone need to step up it's game? Yes. But you're comparing it to last year's model and last year's OS. We're going to see what apple does by wwdc. We have yet to see what hardware or software they use or how the acquisition of pa semi will help them. We'll also see what they do with developers. It is a beautiful OS and has set a new standard but they have a long way to go to get support from developers with the iPhone, android, rim, nokia & windows mobile to compete with for attention. It looks like you joined the forum to give some iPhone users hell. Fine. It's good that palm finally got a phone out there that people actually want. It's funny too because they had to hire a bunch of people who worked on the iPhone to get that accomplished.
Looks like palm is now apple's main competitor. Game on, broheim!
 
I'm very excited about this. I've always been a palm fan and have been secretely rooting for them. Glad to see they're serious and taking no prisoners. Looks like buying another palm device is no longer out of the question for me

Thank you Jon Rubinstein and thank you Palm

*Waits for *insert lame comparison* like iPhone comments*
 
I like it. Lot's of features that Apple pioneered, but it's great that in addition to these they've changed/added a bunch of things too. Like leapfrogging.
 
I like a ton of the features and it seems to be impressive hardware wise. But one thing that stands out, that phone is UGLY! It looks like they created it and then just decide to glu a keyboard to it. It reminds me of a kids phone...
 
I think that it's great the the iPhone is getting more competition. Maybe they will pursue upgrades/new features a little more aggressively.
 
Palm Pimp said:
Do me a favour and open Safari. Open about 5 pages, hell open 2.

Now zoom out by going to page view. Scroll between pages. Realize something? Only your current page is actually active. When you go to another page, it has to load from scratch. Sometimes you might go to a 2nd page and quickly switch back to the 1st and see web content loaded up there! But no that's just a preview, when you go into it, it has to load up all over again.

Imagine if Safari pages were all active so that you didn't have to load things up every time?

Now imagine that with FULL FLEDGED APPS across the board. Even better than just having them active, you don't have to close out an app to use another.

THAT'S how BADLY Palm has shamed the iPhone. Just accomplishing that level of multitasking is unheard of on the iPhone: even jailbreaking it gives you at the most an app called Backgrounder which allows you to run one app at a time in the background, and you have to remember what that was once you closed it.

We haven't even gotten to the vastly improved beastly UI interface, cross app integration (Super Search, Im+SMS etc), Off screen gesturing to prevent obscuring what you loking at while swiping, wireless charger, removable battery, microSD, physical volume control button, etc. It's basically EVERYTHING that the iPhone does, what jailbreaking adds, the wishlist that people wished it had in the first place, open source from Google's Android, and improvements people never thought of (like Page Cards).

Are you freaking serious?
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Yes, he was serious.

None of that means it "shamed" the iPhone.

I mean, you are comparing a new phone that IS NOT OUT to LAST YEAR'S iPhone model.

So why don't we compare my brand new Pocket PC I just bought with the Tungsten T2 next?
 
One question and one comment. First the question- what type of multitouch is that? Because the capacitance touchscreen multitouch I thought was patented by Apple, especially where you could zoom in and out by pinching like that. Is this a resistant touchscreen with multitouch?

Then the comment- from the videos the accelerometer takes a good long while to register when you tilt the phone. Pretty laggy on that.
 
Palm Pimp said:
Do me a favour and open Safari. Open about 5 pages, hell open 2.

Now zoom out by going to page view. Scroll between pages. Realize something? Only your current page is actually active. When you go to another page, it has to load from scratch. Sometimes you might go to a 2nd page and quickly switch back to the 1st and see web content loaded up there! But no that's just a preview, when you go into it, it has to load up all over again.

Imagine if Safari pages were all active so that you didn't have to load things up every time?
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The situation you describe has nothing to do with the other pages being "active". It has to do with the amount of RAM in the iPhone. The iPhone aggressively clears its RAM cache to keep the UI from bogging down due to lack of memory. If you do your same experiment with multiple pages that are not very big, you'll notice that they do not reload.

We do not know how the Pre will react in the same situation. It may have more memory available than the iPhone that came out a year before it, but I really wouldn't make that comparison.

Donz0r said:
...not exactly
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Yes. Exactly. OS X on the iPhone is multitasking. It allows multiple processes to run at the same time. Apple just doesn't allow third party developers access to this feature at this time.
 
leishan said:
I think that it's great the the iPhone is getting more competition. Maybe they will pursue upgrades/new features a little more aggressively.
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I just hope this doesn't mean the iPhone should get uglier and uglier, same goes for the GUI and it doesn't get a physical sliding QWERTY or a clickable "trackpad"..
The iPhone's evolution is already being studied since before it was released, it doesn't really have much to do with the competition. Its price depends on that.
If it doesn't sell much and the others do, it means what it is capable of is not enough and it will either die like some other Apple's inventions or evolve in a manner no one can expect.
 
Looks pretty damn nice to me. It's a bit big, but I guess that's because of the QWERTY keyboard, which some users may like (I get frustrated with the iPhone's on-screen text correction sometimes).

Honestly, all this "It's no iPhone" talk needs to stop. The iPhone was the first of its kind, and that's great. But so were a lot of other things. Like the PC. The Mac. The PlayStation One. The Ford Model T. Would you make the same argument for those products upon competition being released? Honestly, excuse my bluntness, but who gives a ****? :rolleyes:
 
freediverdude said:
One question and one comment. First the question- what type of multitouch is that? Because the capacitance touchscreen multitouch I thought was patented by Apple, especially where you could zoom in and out by pinching like that. Is this a resistant touchscreen with multitouch?
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It's capacitive. Apple can't patent that; it's been around for decades. Apple can't patent pinch zoom either, it's been around since at least 1993.

What Apple did do, is apply for a patent for the entire iPhone. Which means it only applies to almost exactly duplicating the entire iPhone. And no one wants to do that, except some Chinese copycats, and they don't care about U.S. patents.
 
kdarling said:
It's capacitive. Apple can't patent that; it's been around for decades. Apple can't patent pinch zoom either, it's been around since at least 1993.
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I recall Steve at MWSF07 saying "..and Boy,have we patented that" or something similar, and I'm pretty sure he wasn't referring to the iPhone itself, it's not like they don't do the same for iPods.
I think it's the way multi-touch has been implemented in the UI and such.
 
I like it!

So basically the same in every thread. Some sensible people weigh in their arguments, why the iPhone may not be the Jesus Phone. The other group of people just post about the so called advantages of the iPhone.

Honestly I could care less about the CR-App-Store. But yeah, go on and buy those pesky games with 3D stuff and iFart.

What I do care about, and the iPhone doesn't deliver:
- MMS (don't get me goin with those stupid 'use eMail' comments)
- Copy and Paste
- clickable links from SMS
- a nice camera with decent lighting (SE C905 anyone?)

So basically Apple has time until June this year (when both my contracts expire) to bring a decent mobile to the market. Currently the competitors start to blow the iPhone away, and no, it's not all about the Touchscreen and Safari Mobile.

Some people actually use their phone for calling, shooting nice pix and sharing them with their friends via MMS. It's so embarassing, that you can't even receive a MMS in Germany, as the internet portal for watching MMS relies on Flash!
 
From iPhone user: looks nice

Palm webOS looks very modern and Palm Pre seems to have elegantly addressed nearly every iPhone complaint (valid or not): multiple applications; removable battery, tactile keyboard, universal search, cutting-edge charger and 3MP camera all wrapped in an Apple-esk UI. When it ships, I'm quite sure, copy-and-paste will even be included (as it has in every other Palm device)!

http://www.palm.com

Under the development leadership of former Apple executive Rubinstein, the Palm Pre looks so good with all the pinch-and-zoom eye candy, I can't help but wonder if Palm's only downfall might be injunctions from Apple legal action.

http://www.intomobile.com

As an iPhone user I have no envy nor can I look down on anyone who purchases a Pre. This is one helluva sacrifice fly! More power to ya!
 
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