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Palm Pre DEFINITELY KICK BUTTS (puts iphone on shame)!
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Love the Pre. One thing that can be said about the device is that it is designed to be used one-handed - something that makes using the iPhone irratating.
I once went to the store and asked for a stud finder. I didn't like what they brought me from the back. 
The pre does look like an impressive device... given its 6 months from launch and looks this polished is a good sign
However, i think the pre will suffer from 1 big thing .... iphone 3.0 ... as phil said, the iphone is on a june refresh ... so apple has 6 months also to consider the new innovations/features that have appeared in G1/Storm/Pre et all and look at what things they are weak on and include them in a major new version...
Couple this with a potential but fairly likely significant hardware platform upgrade and Pre could find itself up against a whole different level of competition
I do hope it survives though ... the competition will be good for all the players ... it drives innovation and will compel Apple into making certain "killer" features available on its devices if the others offer it
However, i think the pre will suffer from 1 big thing .... iphone 3.0 ... as phil said, the iphone is on a june refresh ... so apple has 6 months also to consider the new innovations/features that have appeared in G1/Storm/Pre et all and look at what things they are weak on and include them in a major new version...
Couple this with a potential but fairly likely significant hardware platform upgrade and Pre could find itself up against a whole different level of competition
I do hope it survives though ... the competition will be good for all the players ... it drives innovation and will compel Apple into making certain "killer" features available on its devices if the others offer it
That's nice. Do you work for Palm?
It's on Sprint so I assume that it is a CDMA only device. CDMA is dying.
Listen, like many people here, I've have been through numerous phones on numerous providers. As a cellphone alone, the iPhone beats every other phone I've owned in terms of the UI and ease of syncing including ringtones. The iPhone works well with the mac and it also works well on windows while other phones tend to not work out of the box with OS X.
But what you seem to completely missed is that the iPhone is more than a phone. It is also my iPod, my PDA, my portable web browser, my portable gaming console and my portable computing device.
The killer app on the iPhone is the appstore.
You might have caught the interest of people who want a more traditional cellphone but I don't see why you are bothering to compare it with the iPhone since people who already have one or are thinking of getting one are not going to run out and get a Palm Pre.
Also, why is this thread in the iPhone forums? As an iPhone owner, I fail to see how this is relevant to me.
I do wish everyone would stop making such a huge deal of this silly Pre thing, it's just another iPhone wannabe with a stupid name.
Time will tell just how well it will do. It is palm after all. Who knows, maybe the next revision of the iphone will blow this and all other cell phones out of the water. I remember back in the day when I thought the LG Chocolate was cool, but thats because at the time there really wasnt anything like it out there ...either you had a WM smart phone or a razor/clamshell phone. That of course was before the iphone
Yeah I remember the LG Chocolate, it looked cool but wouldn't do much else. I still wanted one, though
I think all this competition is good and I'm looking forward to the next update, both hardware and software, to the iPhone so Apple can blow the wannabes out of the water with new features and increased prices
And the Palm Pre takes everything the iPhone has, improves it by a factor of 10, and adds even more innovative and useful features. View the official demo
http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/palm-pre-ces.html?AID=10468054&PID=645730
Depending on your next response, it will be clear whether you REALLY are into getting the best phone, or just another raging foaming Apple fanboy.
Nope, never owned a Palm product, I own an ipod Touch which I jailbroke and pimped out with Intelliscreen, vWallpaper, Backgrounder, SBsettings, Installous, Cydia, Beejive, Shazam, etc so I know what i'm talking about. I even called it the iPimp instead of the iTouch. It's just that the Palm Pre is THAT impressive, also I'm a fan of products, not a fanboy of companies that couldn't care if I was alive after I bought their ****.
Seriously, even if Apple decided tomorrow to copy the Palm's features, they would have to go back on their policy of choking the multitasking on the phone. They can barely get multitasking on 3 Safari pages right, how easy do you think they can duplicate Snergy or page cards? Also with out a physical keyboard or offscreen gesture area, they would find it hard to duplicate the Universal Search, "reading without impeding, or bringing up different Menus since the Home button is used up.
If you want me to name any remaining features the iPhone still has over the Palm Pimp, it's
1) bigger screen
2) virtual keyboard
3) Visual Voicemail
4) Popular App Store
5) 3D gaming
6) Bland looking music player
And none of these are as hard for Palm to overcome as it is for Apple to overcome its limitations.
Edit: speaking of their music player app, something that the Palm Pre, the G1 and iPhone all need is a freaking search function! Even iPod nanos have that, I'm getting tired of using PwnPlayer ion my jailbroken Touch to do this, lol.
If they decide to compete with this Palm thing then they will implant all the features in their own innovative Apple way that will make the Palm look like a Nokia 3310.
Im too lazy to look it up, but did palm say when they were going to release the pre. I had watched the videos of the presentation, but I can't remember. On a side note, what ever happened to the Meizu M8. I thought that was suppose to be another cool iphone contender due out soon.
All they said was in the 1st half of this year, so June for the latest.
And as for the Minione M8, oh it came out in China last month, it's actually a cool product. You can view youtube videos of it here and see reviews on Cnet Asia:
http://www.meizume.com/
I also posted on their forums just now: http://www.meizume.com/minione-m8/7747-doesnt-palm-pre-pretty-much-make-m8-irrelavent.html
I used to be a big fan of it back in 2007 when the iPhone was $600 and they promised to have a superior device with the ability to add all kinda apps... well time went by, the iPhone dropped in price, jailbreaking and the app store came around, and the M8 was vapourware for the longest while. I actually got surprised when it came out.
Problem with it is that you'll have to import it. Maybe if a carrier brought it over here, then again the Palm Pre makes it look like an embarassing ripoff on the surface, but the media and video features are really strong, from all file types, super strong speaker, visual display for the equalizer, accessing equalizer settings from the player app instead of going into "Settings", etc. Remember, Meizu is a very talented MP3 company that added phone capabilities to its device instead of the other way around.
It's got a lot of nice touches if you got it right now. But by the time it comes over here, if they don't revise it, it will look dated next to whatever the Palm Pre/ iPhone/ G1 would have transformed into by then.
iPhone and G1 are just glorified launcher, Pre is indeed task-centric multitasking device. Put to shame isn't a overestimate after all.
people who didn't even follow the demo should just pack up their fanboyism or state ahead that they know nothing about the device other than a glance at the pic.
The fundamental structure of the true multi-tasking webOS is so different than anything else. Those who think apple are coming with an iPhone 3 that provides true multi-tasking is, dreaming.
people who didn't even follow the demo should just pack up their fanboyism or state ahead that they know nothing about the device other than a glance at the pic.
The fundamental structure of the true multi-tasking webOS is so different than anything else. Those who think apple are coming with an iPhone 3 that provides true multi-tasking is, dreaming.
I honestly hope that Apple sees the pre as honest competition and begins to react. However I think the people who are quick to say generation three of the iPhone will be better than the pre need to step back for a second and remember that Apple generally doesn't bother to compete, they prefer to add stuff whenever they feel like it, regardless if everyone else on the market has a feature. You only need to look at the iPhone's first and second generation to understand this.
So what if the Pre isn't as good looking as the iPhone?
Anyway the phone is CDMA & GSM depending on the market, I don't understand why someone would say CDMA is dying, the two major US CDMA carriers have the largest 3G networks, Sprint is the second largest behind Verizon (now with more Alltel!). Sprint also has a roaming agreement with Verizon, for I believe another 2-3 years.
Edit: I forgot to mention one thing I really look forward to (if this thing lives up), being on the bus or train and replacing the battery instead of charging with a bulky $100 add-on. Or generally not having to find an outlet.
So what if the Pre isn't as good looking as the iPhone?
Anyway the phone is CDMA & GSM depending on the market, I don't understand why someone would say CDMA is dying, the two major US CDMA carriers have the largest 3G networks, Sprint is the second largest behind Verizon (now with more Alltel!). Sprint also has a roaming agreement with Verizon, for I believe another 2-3 years.
Edit: I forgot to mention one thing I really look forward to (if this thing lives up), being on the bus or train and replacing the battery instead of charging with a bulky $100 add-on. Or generally not having to find an outlet.
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Palm Pre puts iphone on shame! Phfft.. the only real significance I see is that the Palm Pre has a keyboard. For me that's something I was glad to lose. Things like magnetic induction charging is going to be in every battery operated device in a year or two. That's just new technology that has been perfected post the iphones release. The rest of this phone is just a copy of the iphone in every way imaginable.
Initially I have to say it's a very good device. Better than the blackberry storm. But putting the iPhone to shame... a far stretch of the imagination.
Phfft.. the only real significance I see is that the Palm Pre has a keyboard. For me that's something I was glad to lose. Things like magnetic induction charging is going to be in every battery operated device in a year or two. That's just new technology that has been perfected post the iphones release. The rest of this phone is just a copy of the iphone in every way imaginable. Initially I have to say it's a very good device. Better than the blackberry storm. But putting the iPhone to shame... a far stretch of the imagination.
Palm Pre puts iphone on shame!
Initially I have to say it's a very good device. Better than the blackberry storm. But putting the iPhone to shame... a far stretch of the imagination.
Exactly.
The only part of that post I dont agree with is that I think the Storm is better than the Palm.
Are we looking at the same device? This thing is the single biggest imitator yet. The design is practically a carbon copy of the iphone.
I think a lot of people don't get how apple does things. They innovate, they don't "respond." And therein lies the difference between apple and everyone who has tried to copy the ipod/iphone/macbook air/etc.
What happened here is Palm saw the iphone and said "how can we make an iphone that's better than apple's iphone?" Apple is NOT going to look at the Pre and say "let's make the iphone superior to the Pre." They're going to say "let's make the iphone something nobody else has thought of."
There's a reason it's apple's products that other companies are always trying to design "killers" for.