They do.
However, as you get older, you realize the trick is not to be first... but last the longest.
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Palm Pre DEFINITELY KICK BUTTS (puts iphone on shame)!
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They do.
However, as you get older, you realize the trick is not to be first... but last the longest.
Well, you're getting picky and detailed here. I was referring to features, these are hardware specifications/abilities. And the list above really doesn't matter for the average consumer. They wouldn't know what a capacitive touch screen was if it kicked them in the butt.
That's your opinion and I respect it. And that likely because it's missing so many features, so why would you need directions?
Not true if you don't own a Mac.
Very true.
I think you're right with this one, but it's also a matter of opinion if you chose built-in memory versus an expandable memory slot.
I'll respect your opinion. But, where's my Opera Mobile?
That's not so much a feature of a cellphone, but more of a corporation's power and demands. And don't forget, Apple didn't have this same power towards Verizon, which initially rejected the iPhone, likely due to Apple's overly demanding nature.
That's just due to Steve Jobs's masterful marketing and consumer fanboism, not directly due to the phone itself.
No other manufacturer HAS HAD to update so much. Apple's phone was brand new, was missing tons of things (still is), had many security holes, and Apple maintains full control.
As for free, not if you owned an iPod touch !!
I got free updates on other phones from WM5 to WM6 and WM6.1.
Lots of phones are lusted after before they go on sale. Go join HoFo
Your 1,2,3,4,5 and 8 are incorrect. #7: many phones could add multi-gig memory cards. #9 is debatable, especially since Apple had to bow to ATT's demand for exclusivity, and since after a year Apple's royalty scheme failed and they had to go back to the usual subsidy method. That leaves pretty much #6, although previous concept phones had it.
i've had winmo phones and we were always blogging about how we never got the updates from sprint or verizon. even at tmobile my friend with the dash (i think) has been waiting for the update - he finally got it off of a bit torrent site. the royality may have failed but their subsidy seem to be huge - their making billions off of this phone.
No other manufacturer HAS HAD to update so much. Apple's phone was brand new, was missing tons of things (still is), had many security holes, and Apple maintains full control.
As for free, not if you owned an iPod touch !!
I got free updates on other phones from WM5 to WM6 and WM6.1.
Lots of phones are lusted after before they go on sale. Go join HoFo
Your 1,2,3,4,5 and 8 are incorrect. #7: many phones could add multi-gig memory cards. #9 is debatable, especially since Apple had to bow to ATT's demand for exclusivity, and since after a year Apple's royalty scheme failed and they had to go back to the usual subsidy method. That leaves pretty much #6, although previous concept phones had it.
I just new you were going to jump all over that post.
I think you're confusing the ease of programming, with using stock special effects.
I've built WinMo corporate apps with fancy effects, which is what you seem to be talking about. Even DirectX 3D apps with shading and rotation. Surprised? I was too. In any case, once you write a library of effects, that part is easy.
But you said ease of writing apps. X-Code and Visual Studio are both very good. The RIM JDE is okay, not great. Better to use Eclipse.
Certainly Java as a language is far more cross platform, if you make a library or use something like J2ME Polish. There are about 30,000 Objective-C programmers, but over 3,000,000 Java programmers, and good lord who knows how many Windows ones.
In plan language: no, the iPhone isn't especially easier to write apps for, at least not "amazing" ones. Easier for newbies to write simple pretty ones, yes, which perhaps you meant. It looks like the Palm will be far, far easier in that respect.
I just new you were going to jump all over that post.
If I weren't working, I'd have gone into details. But wow. Such lack of phone knowledge is discouraging. Just shows how well Apple's 1984 style of history rewriting works.
But that's true in many fields. Just look at how many people still call little airplanes "Piper Cubs", even though those haven't been made in decades. Publicity is everything.
well you were saying that apple didn't do something amazing with their phone and i think they did. did they borrow from other phones - of course - thats how evolution works. but i think they gave thought to what they were doing that many other companies (microsoft) didn't. that has now changed and now we are seeing google and palm and even blackberry to some extent rethinking how a mobile smart phone should operate. and i really believe thats because of apple. we all know what happens when microsoft is in charge - nothing - just look at how long ie stagnated untill they started loosing market share. i'm not saying the iphone is perfect - god knows they need to add quite a few things to it. but i am saying its a game changer.
One of the reasons I'm glad the iPhone came out, is that it kicked some of the R&D projects out of the back rooms of many manufacturers.
They were all drifting towards nicer, touchier UIs (those who wanted touch, that is. non-touch phones will always dominate)... but were taking their sweet time about it.
They were all drifting towards nicer, touchier UIs (those who wanted touch, that is. non-touch phones will always dominate)... but were taking their sweet time about it.
ok - then i'll give you that one - it is easy to write applications. but i - and this is my own personal opinion - never got excited about the apps on my winmo and palm phones. they - especiall the palm ones - always looked plain. i never saw an app like googles where you hold it to your ear - speak something and it finds it. i think apple has re-defined what a mobile application should be. and the rate that people are downloading them seems to indicate perhaps i'm correct. pocket informat is writing an app for the iphone - i'm very curious to see how its ease of use is. i always found the winmo version to be way to cluttered and confusing. it might just be me - i HATED the idea of using a stylus. yanking it out and aiming for some tiny little button really annoyed me.
Then you never had Windows Live Mobile with voice search? It's been out for at least a year. I use it all the time.
WM had Google Maps, voice search, etc before the iPhone. The difference is, Apple includes such things with the phone, which is a key attraction.
Mind you, I've always written my industrial touch apps to be usable with finger, keyboard, or cursor pad. I just wish Microsoft and others had done the same with the base UI.
Now Apple has concentrated on touch alone, which is not ideal in my eyes. When you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
The view that newbies have that only touch is required in the future, is extremely naive.A good device can handle many types of input, from voice to finger to stylus to keys. I would sometimes love a hardware cursor for Safari browsing or scrolling through large docs, for example. Covering up an app with fingers for scrolling is not really good UI style.
Re: stylus. I use it once in a while to draw diagrams before going to a hardware store. Very handy. And for corporate handheld apps, it's required for grabbing signatures.
I don't know what you are talking about in regards to delay; I sure didn't see any, or very little more than the iPhone. UI speed actually looked very comparable.
yes, but Apple just copied them, not pasted
Yeah, I heard you need a quad-core for the pasting part.
Yeah, I heard you need a quad-core for the pasting part.
Hopefully I can get a quad-core iphone with blu-ray...so I can watch "Gigli" with Ben Affleck and J Lo as it was meant to be (at least with respect to a 3.5" screen)
wiresless charger? Who cares
Talk about style over substance. A wireless charger is completely worthless to me except for my toothbrush. If i am charging I want to be syncing.... o.. thats right. the Pre does not have valuable media services like itunes that you can tie it too.
Talk about style over substance. A wireless charger is completely worthless to me except for my toothbrush. If i am charging I want to be syncing.... o.. thats right. the Pre does not have valuable media services like itunes that you can tie it too.
The exact opposite is true for me here in Birmingham, AL. I had Sprint for a couple of years and finally got out. Coverage constantly went out and I had a ton of dropped calls.
Yeah, I heard you need a quad-core for the pasting part.
quad-core check the ARM roadmap, isn't unlikely to show up before 2010
I just want to say that nothing about this stupid looking phone (bother physical and internal) interests me. Especially since it's carriers are Sprint and Verizon. *pukes*
The phone is hideous and shouldn't be compared to the iPhone, I mean, really.
The phone is hideous and shouldn't be compared to the iPhone, I mean, really.
Pretty much the case whenever anyone talks about the iPhone as destroying any other phone.
For the most part nothing has changed since the iPhone 3G introduction.
Same can be said for the iPhone. Once it was announced to be on AT&T I stop caring. That made all of its limitations easier to swallow.
im not an iphone freak i use a blackberry but honestly the palm pre is one ugly machine. its not even the same class as an iphone. the palm pre looks like a stud finder not a telephone.
if you dont know what that is its a tool used to find the beams in your wall. yes its that ugly
if you dont know what that is its a tool used to find the beams in your wall. yes its that ugly