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Palm Pre DEFINITELY KICK BUTTS (puts iphone on shame)!

aristotle said:
The killer app on the iPhone is the appstore.
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But, the thing that makes the appstore so necessary is that the iPhone needs it. The iPhone comes so bare-boned that it would be much less functional without the appstore. Most (but certainly not all) of the iPhone's deficiencies are corrected by the appstore.

However, in contrast to the iPhone, the Pre already has these functions pre-installed. Then, it takes another step and incorporates all the functions that Apple refuses to allow on the iPhone; c/p, background apps, mms, video, gps, etc.

Think about the number of apps you actually use extensively (on an everday basis). Either these apps/functions already will come on the Pre or it really will not be much of a problem to go to the developers website and download the apps directly. In this regard, and also due to that fact that the appstore is 99% garbage, the Pre is going to make the idea of an appstore irrevelant.


aristotle said:
Also, why is this thread in the iPhone forums? As an iPhone owner, I fail to see how this is relevant to me.
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No offense, really, but if your going to write stuff that that, you should also ask yourself why you not only clicked on the thread (given its title), but also took time to leave a fairly lengthy response. Just saying...
 
I think it's a little bit too early to judge this phone either way. Nobody outside of Palm or a few well-connected people has gotten to hold it in their hands for more than a few moments. We have no idea how well this thing will perform out in the real world.

Frankly, to me, promising real time multitasking of a bunch of apps on current phone hardware seems like wishful thinking. There would have to be much much more ram in this thing than current phones for it to work well IMO. They can do anything at a presentation. Otherwise it will end up being laggy and prone to app or phone shutdowns. But we'll see I guess.

I think all the hype and excitement was because there were no leaks about this before the presentation and it was a surprise to the attendees at CES, so they were all giggly like 13 yo girls. But I think once the hype dies down and we actually have these in our hands in 6 months time, it may be quite a different story.

A couple of aces up iPhone's sleeve: it's a real iPod that syncs with iTunes. This I don't think can be overstated enough. And the app store, which is already entrenched and successful.
 
aristotle said:
The killer app on the iPhone is the appstore...
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And before the iPhone App store, there was PalmGear, which had many thousands of PalmOS apps for distribution, both free and shareware. Maybe Palm thinks that if they could build that kind of development community and huge app store once, they can do it again.

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i'm a mac fanboy, i don't work for palm but i used to work close to one of the filials fruit. I know barely how they work and how centric fanboys work.

Apple is a fascinating world - one that could be one subject of study.

As today i'm asking me why my sony ericsson T610 can be paired with bluetooth with Mac OS X 10.2 jaguar and sync wirelessly the contacts.
Is not funny??
Do not answer please, this is one of thousands examples.

Pre answers all the whinings from iphone. Also is coming in GSM version for europe.
 
Palm Pimp said:
And the Palm Pre takes everything the iPhone has, improves it by a factor of 10, and adds even more innovative and useful features. View the official demo
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The underlined is what I dont get.:confused:

As far as ive seen its not better, just different. Plus none of us have even used it yet so we are all going off promotional videos.
 
Palm Pimp said:
Do me a favour and open Safari. Open about 5 pages, hell open 2.

Now zoom out by going to page view. Scroll between pages. Realize something? Only your current page is actually active. When you go to another page, it has to load from scratch. Sometimes you might go to a 2nd page and quickly switch back to the 1st and see web content loaded up there! But no that's just a preview, when you go into it, it has to load up all over again.

Imagine if Safari pages were all active so that you didn't have to load things up every time?

Now imagine that with FULL FLEDGED APPS across the board. Even better than just having them active, you don't have to close out an app to use another.

THAT'S how BADLY Palm has shamed the iPhone. Just accomplishing that level of multitasking is unheard of on the iPhone: even jailbreaking it gives you at the most an app called Backgrounder which allows you to run one app at a time in the background, and you have to remember what that was once you closed it.

We haven't even gotten to the vastly improved beastly UI interface, cross app integration (Super Search, Im+SMS etc), Off screen gesturing to prevent obscuring what you loking at while swiping, wireless charger, removable battery, microSD, physical volume control button, etc. It's basically EVERYTHING that the iPhone does, what jailbreaking adds, the wishlist that people wished it had in the first place, open source from Google's Android, and improvements people never thought of (like Page Cards).

Are you freaking serious?
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you're crazy
when using tabs, it keeps everything loaded for me. it never has to load all over again
you're using a bad example to prove a true point. apple needs to stop controlling these phones like they're children. they've gotten them off the ground, now let the users have more control over the device they paid for
 
Masquerade said:
i'm a mac fanboy, i don't work for palm but i used to work close to one of the filials fruit. I know barely how they work and how centric fanboys work.

Apple is a fascinating world - one that could be one subject of study.

As today i'm asking me why my sony ericsson T610 can be paired with bluetooth with Mac OS X 10.2 jaguar and sync wirelessly the contacts.
Is not funny??
Do not answer please, this is one of thousands examples.

Pre answers all the whinings from iphone. Also is coming in GSM version for europe.
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how could someone work close to palm and yet have such bad grammar that their post is completely impossible to understand
 
Hopefully Apple can bring this multitasking and using "live" applications to their next update. All the people who are saying its just another iphone must have not watched the full video. The pre certainly tops the iphone in that aspect.

I think of it like this. On the iphone you swipe your finger on the home screen to get different icons, different apps you can launch. But on the pre you swipe your finger and instead of getting the option to launch different apps, the application is already running in real time.
 
Likes:
3.0 camera
touchscreen
wide screen


Dislikes:

Bulky
keyboard
Really thick
only 8gb
phone set up is like htc touch pro (touch front but has qwerty keyboard)

In my opinion it doesnt compare with iphone
 
Palm Pimp said:
And the Palm Pre takes everything the iPhone has, improves it by a factor of 10
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It's 40% thicker, and apps can only be written in Javascript. That's backwards, not an improvement.

CPU and memory are nowhere near even 2X better (and we don't know if Apple will top that in their next iPhone CPU chip rev.)

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kas23 said:
However, in contrast to the iPhone, the Pre already has these functions pre-installed. ...Think about the number of apps you actually use extensively (on an everday basis). ...
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Yeah, but it's a completely different set of a few apps for each individual. Think of the 100's of thousands of people who want their phone to make fart noises! And all the other crazy apps in the top-100. Will those come pre-installed on the Pre?

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firewood said:
Yeah, but it's a completely different set of a few apps for each individual. Think of the 100's of thousands of people who want their phone to make fart noises! And all the other crazy apps in the top-100. Will those come pre-installed on the Pre?

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Yes, my bad. I guess I never considered the hundreds of people who want fart apps or one-touch dialers, for that matter. To all the users of Fartamongus, I apologize for being insensitive. What would you ever do without an app that can produce the world's longest fart. :p

http://appshopper.com/entertainment/fartamongus-worlds-longest-fart

I guess people who don't want a boring phone, (you know, one with GPS, MMS, background apps, editing word docs, etc...) you'd better stay with the iPhone or you may miss out. ;)
 
I think that at least at the beginning the iPhone ecosystem will make the iPhone experience much better than the Palm Pre one. People that don't use 3rd party software on their devices will be tempted to buy the Palm. Human beings want to have a change, so when something new comes, we have the tendency to want it more than the things we currently have...
Only time will really tell which device is better but I think by the time the Palm Pre comes to the market, we will have seen the iPhone 3.0...

I still believe judging by the videos I have seen so far that the iPhone is a much better device overall. Palm looks promising and someday they will be on par with the iPhone...
 
kdarling said:
I believe English isn't his native language.

Compared to many of the American posters who don't even know the differences between their, there and they're, he's doing okay.
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I hope you're not saying that I used it incorrectly
because I certainly didn't
although I agree many people overlook the difference
 
Better MP camera, thickness doesn't matter. The main idea here is multi tasking.
 
Background Apps

Hi people. This is my first post on here but I've been lurking in the shadows for a while.

I don't understand what all the fuss is about regarding allowing background apps on the iphone and that all these "iphone killers" do have it. I;ve been using windows mobile for the past 5 years and one of the major gripes I had was that when you closed an application, it actually just minimised into the background and ate the battery and memory. You had to download an application to force close applications and even then it was sketchy at best. I'm currently using a Nokia N95 (which is terrible) and my contract with Orange runs out in July at which point I'll be switching to 02 and an iphone.

It's the ease of use that draws me to the iphone more than anything. Many companies made touchscreen phones before the iphone came out and they all did what you wanted. They were just horrible to navigate through to actually find anything and whippping out the stylus to input data made you look like a complete idiot!

Since the iphone was released, practically every phone manufacturer (new and old) have been trying to emulate the simple and inuitive iphone os and IMHO they have all failed miserably. HTC for a while), RIM, LG, Samsung and now even Nokia are releasing handsets with full touchscreen to try and compete with Apple but the interface falls short so they throw in loads of tech to make up for it (5Mp camera anyone?).

For me it's how easy it is to do what you want on the iphone compared to the rest of its competetion. Idiot-proof buttons that take you where you want to go to do what you want to do. No intricate buttons that you have to tap with a stylus, no menu after menu to get to your photographs etc.

It might not be for everyone, but if you're not happy with what the iphone can or can't do, there are plenty of other handsets on other networks that will. For me, it'll do what I want easily and look good at the same time.

I just can't wait until July when my current contract is at its end.

Sorry for the rant :)
 
petvas said:
I think that at least at the beginning the iPhone ecosystem will make the iPhone experience much better than the Palm Pre one. People that don't use 3rd party software on their devices will be tempted to buy the Palm. Human beings want to have a change, so when something new comes, we have the tendency to want it more than the things we currently have...
Only time will really tell which device is better but I think by the time the Palm Pre comes to the market, we will have seen the iPhone 3.0...

I still believe judging by the videos I have seen so far that the iPhone is a much better device overall. Palm looks promising and someday they will be on par with the iPhone...
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Good points. And all this hinges on what comes to the market first. If the Palm Pre comes to the market before the iPhone's next major update, I think this may cause some trouble for Apple. If the Palm comes out in late May and the iPhone comes out in mid-June, this will not give enough time for Apple to modify their product (not that I think they would - Apple doesn't seem to react to the market). If the next iPhone beats Palm to the market, Palm is going to have a bunch of trouble overcoming the iPhone's hype, regardless if Apple decides to put out a dud of a revision or not.
 
biggrim said:
I;ve been using windows mobile for the past 5 years and one of the major gripes I had was that when you closed an application, it actually just minimised into the background and ate the battery and memory. You had to download an application to force close applications and even then it was sketchy at best.
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THat is so false. I had a t-mobile dash and didnt have to download any software to end apps. You can do that by just going to task and ending it.
 
kas23 said:
Good points. And all this hinges on what comes to the market first. If the Palm Pre comes to the market before the iPhone's next major update, I think this may cause some trouble for Apple. If the Palm comes out in late May and the iPhone comes out in mid-June, this will not give enough time for Apple to modify their product (not that I think they would - Apple doesn't seem to react to the market). If the next iPhone beats Palm to the market, Palm is going to have a bunch of trouble overcoming the iPhone's hype, regardless if Apple decides to put out a dud of a revision or not.
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I think its actually better for apple if the palm comes out a little before. Sure it will sell well but then apple releases the next version of the iphone, which will get HUGE press and sales assuming apple gives it a worthy update.
 
biggrim said:
Hi people. This is my first post on here but I've been lurking in the shadows for a while.

I don't understand what all the fuss is about regarding allowing background apps on the iphone and that all these "iphone killers" do have it. I;ve been using windows mobile for the past 5 years and one of the major gripes I had was that when you closed an application, it actually just minimised into the background and ate the battery and memory. You had to download an application to force close applications and even then it was sketchy at best. I'm currently using a Nokia N95 (which is terrible) and my contract with Orange runs out in July at which point I'll be switching to 02 and an iphone.

It's the ease of use that draws me to the iphone more than anything. Many companies made touchscreen phones before the iphone came out and they all did what you wanted. They were just horrible to navigate through to actually find anything and whippping out the stylus to input data made you look like a complete idiot!

Since the iphone was released, practically every phone manufacturer (new and old) have been trying to emulate the simple and inuitive iphone os and IMHO they have all failed miserably. HTC for a while), RIM, LG, Samsung and now even Nokia are releasing handsets with full touchscreen to try and compete with Apple but the interface falls short so they throw in loads of tech to make up for it (5Mp camera anyone?).

For me it's how easy it is to do what you want on the iphone compared to the rest of its competetion. Idiot-proof buttons that take you where you want to go to do what you want to do. No intricate buttons that you have to tap with a stylus, no menu after menu to get to your photographs etc.

It might not be for everyone, but if you're not happy with what the iphone can or can't do, there are plenty of other handsets on other networks that will. For me, it'll do what I want easily and look good at the same time.

I just can't wait until July when my current contract is at its end.

Sorry for the rant :)
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Multitasking and background apps is ease of use my friend.
 
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