That takes time. A lot of time.
Palm needed to release a competitive device ASAP in order to stop the money-bleed. Palm is essentially fighting for its life here. The sooner they can see some returns from the Pre, the better.
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That takes time. A lot of time.
Palm needed to release a competitive device ASAP in order to stop the money-bleed. Palm is essentially fighting for its life here. The sooner they can see some returns from the Pre, the better.
Pre not intuitive
I think the Pre will be successful, but I don't think it is an iPhone killer. I thought what was and still is so innovative about the iPhone is how intuitive and easy to use it is, and how little there is to learn and remember when using it. I don't think the Pre matches the iPhone in this area. I think the cnet review does a good job of covering this, including the following quotes:
I think the Pre will be successful, but I don't think it is an iPhone killer. I thought what was and still is so innovative about the iPhone is how intuitive and easy to use it is, and how little there is to learn and remember when using it. I don't think the Pre matches the iPhone in this area. I think the cnet review does a good job of covering this, including the following quotes:
Yes it is very bad. You have to open the little door to get to the charge port. I would rather have them leave the port open then have this stupid door that I feel will break off. To me they designed the phone to charge with the touchstone and not the USB cable. I have a feeling it will get bundled later but the supply was so low of touchstones. I wasn't planning on buying a touchstone but now I will out of frustration. I love the phone though.
Try reading more slowly. Chasing after the latest gadget may stimulate the economy but it is still foolish especially if it involves throwing away an investment in apps just to have the latest shiny.
I admit that I bought the iPhone 3G on launch day but I had wanted to get an iPhone before that however the 2G was not available in Canada so I consider that to be a little bit different. It is my first "smart" phone and I wanted to get the device for a number of reasons. It has replaced my iPod Touch (which I sold), my Moto KZR and even my personal laptop which I used to take with me on business trips.
I think it is equally foolish to buy the latest PSP, DS, PS3, XBox etc... on launch day for no other reason than to have the latest gadget.
Yeah, I have a spare phone with a door on its charge port. Hate that.
On the other hand, they could leave it open and stick a moisture sensor there like Apple does, so they can deny warranty service to as many people as possible...
I'd take a sealed device and Touchstone.
Believe it or not, Apple never does its UI to make it "fresh".
Look at Leopard vs Vista. Vista's design is much more flashy.
UI is about easy of use. A good UI design is one which nobody notices. Without looking at your iPhone, do you remember how you type in email, SMS, or use the google map? If I ask you to draw the UI from memory, 99% of the users will say "huh"? The UI is hidden from the users, but users can use the app immediately with one glance, without any documentation.
Yes, depending on the people, some will say the Pre's UI look nicer (and some will say Blackberry looks nicer, and some will say WMo are nicer). Actually, my non-smart-phone Sony 580i has a very flashy UI which look more attractive than iPhone.
Speaking of GUI...
I sure do notice that any time I write an SMS on the iPhone it uses only a small fraction of the large screen for showing me what I'm typing. There is a lot of scrolling - it's like reading through a keyhole what I have written. And between the shaky auto-correction and my not overly large fingers, but large enough apparantly, I need to.
Why is that, Apple? Or do I have to wait for iOS 5.0 for that?
Sure miss my keypad and the T9 in that aspect. While there are uses I really like, as a phone it leaves a lot to wish for. Hopefully they get to release the d**n update tomorrow.
I sure do notice that any time I write an SMS on the iPhone it uses only a small fraction of the large screen for showing me what I'm typing. There is a lot of scrolling - it's like reading through a keyhole what I have written. And between the shaky auto-correction and my not overly large fingers, but large enough apparantly, I need to.
Why is that, Apple? Or do I have to wait for iOS 5.0 for that?
Sure miss my keypad and the T9 in that aspect. While there are uses I really like, as a phone it leaves a lot to wish for. Hopefully they get to release the d**n update tomorrow.
Apple should block Nokia & Pre from using iSync/iTunes as multimedia transfer.
So you can directly connect a Nokia phone to itunes and sync like it like what Palm is doing?
Went to the premiere, picked one up and used it, put it back down and walked out.
No thanks. It feels like it's some kind of cheap Android ripoff. At least the Android represents a decent piece of technology.
I'm waiting to see how long before Palm finally falls by the wayside. It's sad, and frankly their poor history (of recent memory) has been artificially induced through bad management decisions and no clear leadership from the top.
And now this... too little, too late if you ask me.
Mind your thumbs, by the way!
No thanks. It feels like it's some kind of cheap Android ripoff. At least the Android represents a decent piece of technology.
I'm waiting to see how long before Palm finally falls by the wayside. It's sad, and frankly their poor history (of recent memory) has been artificially induced through bad management decisions and no clear leadership from the top.
And now this... too little, too late if you ask me.
Mind your thumbs, by the way!
And THIS is a iPhone Killer?
I just came from the Sprint store with the main intention to change out my daughter's phone, since she is eligible for an upgrade. While we were there we decided to test out the new Palm Pre from the demos they had out. I was kind of surprised to be the 2nd in line to check the phone out, especially since it's only the 2nd day the phone has been on the market. The novelty couldn't have ended already has it?
Well finally the customer was finished his inspection of the unit (looked like the couple was going to put in an order for it) and, now, I had my turn.
I have to say that I was impressed with how lite the unit is. (When I picked it up I almost threw it out the window by accident!) And how fast and responsive during while flipping through the menus (only thing I wish is they turn off the freaking Pre demo on the phone while I'm working here!). But... here is the "anti-Killer" part of this phone ---- the puny keyboard. You got to be kidding me?! Unless the folks at Palm figured that 80% of the world are pigmies, then I guess rest of us must have that gigantic disease somewhere in our bloodline.
There is no way anyone is going to feel comfortable tapping on this keyboard any length of time while sending a message. Sure fool yourself now, but just wait until those symptoms of giganticism kicks in....you'll be knocking at my door screamin', "he was right!".
My advise (which no one here is going to take anyway): Wait to compare this with features of the rumored iPhone 3 gen and OS 3.0. If Apple is serious in using the same CPU as the Palm Pre in their next phone, coupled with all the expanded features in the OS, the days of the Pre might be numbered before it gets good print. I know one thing definite will place Apple ahead in the race --- the proposed feature/option of landscape keyboarding ...on ALL Apps! Sure it soft-keys, but I will at least be able to stretch out my thumbs across the board!
All hail, "Fee, Fi, Foe, Fumb"!!
I just came from the Sprint store with the main intention to change out my daughter's phone, since she is eligible for an upgrade. While we were there we decided to test out the new Palm Pre from the demos they had out. I was kind of surprised to be the 2nd in line to check the phone out, especially since it's only the 2nd day the phone has been on the market. The novelty couldn't have ended already has it?
Well finally the customer was finished his inspection of the unit (looked like the couple was going to put in an order for it) and, now, I had my turn.
I have to say that I was impressed with how lite the unit is. (When I picked it up I almost threw it out the window by accident!
) And how fast and responsive during while flipping through the menus (only thing I wish is they turn off the freaking Pre demo on the phone while I'm working here!). But... here is the "anti-Killer" part of this phone ---- the puny keyboard. You got to be kidding me?! Unless the folks at Palm figured that 80% of the world are pigmies, then I guess rest of us must have that gigantic disease somewhere in our bloodline. There is no way anyone is going to feel comfortable tapping on this keyboard any length of time while sending a message. Sure fool yourself now, but just wait until those symptoms of giganticism kicks in....you'll be knocking at my door screamin', "he was right!".
My advise (which no one here is going to take anyway): Wait to compare this with features of the rumored iPhone 3 gen and OS 3.0. If Apple is serious in using the same CPU as the Palm Pre in their next phone, coupled with all the expanded features in the OS, the days of the Pre might be numbered before it gets good print. I know one thing definite will place Apple ahead in the race --- the proposed feature/option of landscape keyboarding ...on ALL Apps! Sure it soft-keys, but I will at least be able to stretch out my thumbs across the board!
All hail, "Fee, Fi, Foe, Fumb"!!
I think you're looking at it the wrong way, Palm is really where Apple was when they first introduced the iPod. Palm is pretty aware that they don't have the kind of brand power Apple does, and remember that the masses were not dying to get a first generation iPod like people line up to get an iPhone. Palm has one job right now, and that's to build up its product lineup and software to gain market share and brand recognition so that it can create the kind of power Apple has over consumers. So far they seem to be doing a good job of heading in that direction.So what happened? Where's all the Pre hoopla and celebration?
Apparently, Palm said they didn't want long lineups.
Right. Sure they didn't . . .
Also I doubt you'd be able to buy a Palm Pre if you went out and tried today, so that's a successful launch isn't it? The store I went to yesterday had about a hundred people in line apparently, not many phones can pull that kind of crowd.
I think the Pre will be very successful for Palm.
Especially if they start giving it to more providers and the providers have much lower plans for it over AT&T's iPhone plan.
I guess we'll know tomorrow, but I think AT&T will lower its plan only a little bit, but not enough to compete with T-Mobile's G1 plan or Sprint's Plan for the Pre...
AT&T is still sort of greedy when it comes to its Cellular Plans...
EDIT: I just checked, I can get through my company, a deal on Sprint, 450 Min with unlimited data, messaging, and mobile-to-mobile for $59.49/month... AT&T won't even touch this rate or features with the iPhone...
Especially if they start giving it to more providers and the providers have much lower plans for it over AT&T's iPhone plan.
I guess we'll know tomorrow, but I think AT&T will lower its plan only a little bit, but not enough to compete with T-Mobile's G1 plan or Sprint's Plan for the Pre...
AT&T is still sort of greedy when it comes to its Cellular Plans...
EDIT: I just checked, I can get through my company, a deal on Sprint, 450 Min with unlimited data, messaging, and mobile-to-mobile for $59.49/month... AT&T won't even touch this rate or features with the iPhone...
Yes, block all third parties for everything and bring back the Apple StyleWriter's while you're at it! Build higher fences or the common people may get in!
As a customer I would like to see as many as possible being able to use iTunes or to hook up in other parts of the OS too. It will give me more options to choose from! Either that or slim down iTunes from the bloatware it has become. Not everyone has a damn AppleStore around the corner...
Yes, block all third parties for everything and bring back the Apple StyleWriter's while you're at it! Build higher fences or the common people may get in!
As a customer I would like to see as many as possible being able to use iTunes or to hook up in other parts of the OS too. It will give me more options to choose from! Either that or slim down iTunes from the bloatware it has become. Not everyone has a damn AppleStore around the corner...
StyleWriters were great! I had one. Very reliable little printer. Stood up to eight years of wear and tear.
I know, I had a "StyleWriter II" as well. Though other options surfaced at the time, as usual with more features for less money.
Then one day it wouldn't wake up anymore. It just lied there, not making a single twitch.
It got replaced with a Canon something, with COLORS!
Prompting Lawsuit?
I'm curious if anyone else thinks this is plausible. Palm may just be seeing what they can get away with (e.g. iTunes syncing, multitouch) because there are repercussions for Apple to file suit. In the same vein as the Microsoft antitrust case, Palm could counter sue on "music monopoly" grounds. Apple produces the most popular music management software which acts as a virtual storefront for the most popular music store and only works with the most popular line of music players - all produced by Apple. In the past they [Apple] went out of their way to insure people used iPods, because the iTunes Store DRM wouldn't have it any other way. It appears as though they lifted DRM because of popular opinion, but I wonder if antitrust issues weren't already on their radar. Specifically blocking the Pre access to sync with iTunes gives Palm standing to sue Apple on behalf of all 3rd party manufacturers.
"It's a trap!"
I'm curious if anyone else thinks this is plausible. Palm may just be seeing what they can get away with (e.g. iTunes syncing, multitouch) because there are repercussions for Apple to file suit. In the same vein as the Microsoft antitrust case, Palm could counter sue on "music monopoly" grounds. Apple produces the most popular music management software which acts as a virtual storefront for the most popular music store and only works with the most popular line of music players - all produced by Apple. In the past they [Apple] went out of their way to insure people used iPods, because the iTunes Store DRM wouldn't have it any other way. It appears as though they lifted DRM because of popular opinion, but I wonder if antitrust issues weren't already on their radar. Specifically blocking the Pre access to sync with iTunes gives Palm standing to sue Apple on behalf of all 3rd party manufacturers.
"It's a trap!"
Not quite. It uses NMT to trasnfer media from your iTunes library. You set everything up in iTunes, hit NMT and off it goes - you can even set it up to sync media content automatically and it does it by cable or Bluetooth. It's a neat solution which Nokia and Apple have worked well together to perfect.
Don't see the point. Both Apple and Nokia benefit out of this arrangement. Removing Nokia's access would be like preventing iTunes from running on Windows - a silly move strategically.
http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/06/08/palm-pre-post-launch-user-reported-problems-surface
And already . . .
Palm can't afford to have its 1st gen device full of issues. It's not really in a position to fix things the second time around. Although it obviously depends on how well this 1st gen product does, regardless of issues.
And already . . .
Palm can't afford to have its 1st gen device full of issues. It's not really in a position to fix things the second time around. Although it obviously depends on how well this 1st gen product does, regardless of issues.
Don't confuse 'most popular' with 'monopoly'. They're not the same thing at all. Apple is not in any danger of having a monopoly or near-monopoly in the music player market.
No, he said you can use the Nokia Multimedia Transfer application.
http://europe.nokia.com/get-support-and-software/download-software/nokia-multimedia-transfer
Which is exactly what Palm should have done.