Palm has posted a high quality video clip of their Palm Pre CES presentation online at http://palmone.r3h.net/downloads.palm.com/ces.mov
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'Palm Pre' Smartphone Announced: WebOS, Wireless Charging, App Store
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Meh, each to their own.
I will admit that the iPhone is quite far from perfect, but in my opinion it's way ahead of all the other phones.
Beautiful !!!
I can't say I like the slide-out keyboard but there are many many people that do. So overall, I congratulate Palm on the Pre. The investment in Jon Rubinstein's leadership has brought tangible fruit.
Hopefully Palm won't screw up by overcharging, selling of the Palm webOS, switching to Microsoft Mobile Edition or adding an external $300 keyboard. If they botch it up this time, Jon, it's not your fault.
I can't say I like the slide-out keyboard but there are many many people that do. So overall, I congratulate Palm on the Pre. The investment in Jon Rubinstein's leadership has brought tangible fruit.
Hopefully Palm won't screw up by overcharging, selling of the Palm webOS, switching to Microsoft Mobile Edition or adding an external $300 keyboard. If they botch it up this time, Jon, it's not your fault.
I only see one problem with this phone
"Pre developers will develop using browser technologies including CSS, HTML and XML along with special APIs to access the hardware features of the new device"
I don't really fancy (X)HTML and CSS for applications
"Pre developers will develop using browser technologies including CSS, HTML and XML along with special APIs to access the hardware features of the new device"
I don't really fancy (X)HTML and CSS for applications
Very interesting...
We can only HOPE!
That's what I was thinking as well.
Haha, you tell people they dont have to be so RUDE and then you make follow up comments like this?
I mean seriously what business is it of yours what people are doing with their phones, do you sit there and stare at people on the bus twirling their phones around while mumbling under your breath how retarded they look? That's bloody stupid that it bothers you that much if you ask me.
It made you the mindless brainless sheep Apple wants you to be.
Especially when they drop their delicate iPhone and it shatters to pieces, then they head right back to the Apple store to buy another one full price.
Because they shatter under pressure. My brother in law dropped his from his shirt pocket...... DONE! Not only did it crack but while he looked at it in shock and awe the crack got bigger.
He went out and paid full price for another phone...
I'm not a "Mac" owner or user just fyi, but I just don't get statements like these.
I mean, why does it bother you? Does it really make your life that much more difficult when you notice these things? I'm really just curious, as it's none of my d*mn business.
Thanks.
It bothers me when a thread gets flooded with people that bash a product simply because it's not an iPhone.
It bothers me when someone has to ask why it bothers me when me being bothered doesn't bother them.
No offense, but like Powerfull Mac said, to each their own. It bugs me when iPhone users blindly bash and blindly compare everything to the iPhone and scream that the iPhone wins simply because it's Apple, even when something better DOES actually come along.
I started another thread about the lack of design at Apple, and the only thing people could say is, "I love OSX! so Apple wins!" completely negating the topic with blind devotion.
I like OSX, I love the concept of the iPhone. I actually like iTunes and Mobile Me. But I can look other places and see what I and others are missing instead of trying to justify why I and others don't need certain things or can change my life to fit a product.
Thats not a bad thing at all. Thinking native apps are in any way superior to webapps is nonsense.
Most of the webapps previously (and still) available for the iPhone work just as well comparable native apps. Especially any of the apps that depend on connectivity for function.
The ones that do not use the internet heavily or at all are better suited as native apps, but there is not much advantage of heavy 3g app thats native instead of css/html
We can only HOPE!
I say hopefully because i think its common knowledge how stubborn Apple...or should say Steve Jobs is
The biggest problem with this post is: you think that because Apple or iTunes or the iPhone is different in some way from other devices/services, it means that you're "missing something" and by definition the other object is in fact better because it "has something" that the iPhone/tunes/
does not.Thats simply ridiculous. There exist things called, "priorities" & "trade-offs"
When making a quality product, these ^ things are considered, and the "best" is determined by which company Prioritizes best and chooses acceptable trade offs. That is Apple.
I understand.
Again it's none of my business but thanks for the reply.
I havn't had as much hands on experience with the iphone as most here have since I have been waiting (and in contract) and getting one soon so I guess I havn't really caught up with the everyday user quirks but I'm sure they will come.
Just seems like ever since I joined MR that there is A LOT of folks that bash the iphone, I understand it has problems but as far as I know its the best damn thing out "right now". I just read about a lot of unhappy people on these boards, I thought this phone was a GOOD thing...!...?
Anyways, I welcome any and all competitors to the game. Maybe apple will pay attention and give everyone what they want.
The biggest problem with this post is: you think that because Apple or iTunes or the iPhone is different in some way from other devices/services, it means that you're "missing something" and by definition the other object is in fact better because it "has something" that the iPhone/tunes/
Thats simply ridiculous. There exist things called, "priorities" & "trade-offs"
Yes!
And what I am saying is that you get this primarily from iPhone users.
It may be missing MMS and copy/paste, but when another phone is missing an Apple logo, or an app store, or Safari people don't want to give it any credit.
Look how many people instantly wrote the Pre off simply because it had a keyboard or was made by Palm. Even if the OS is simply a step forward.
p.s. It's actually okay to ask. I was being somewhat of a d0ucheb@g then. Sorry.
I think it is a good device but I'm afraid that Palm is still delusional and that will kill it (such as setting the price too high and tethering it to the sinking Sprint). This quote doesn't do much to convince me that they're beyond the days of the Foleo.
There are so many things wrong with that statement.
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There are so many things wrong with that statement.
Wow! For me, I see it the other way around. There seem to be more and more people that bash everything else, or pull out moot points to defend their blind devotions.
The iPhone would still be the perfect device for me since I love itunes and MM, but there are those shortcomings that it has that I can't deal with on a cell phone.
I longed for a device that would give me the features that I wanted from the iPhone, with access to my Mac stuff, and the ability to perform when I needed it to.... namely creating MS Office docs and being a USB drive.
My hostilities stem from a lot of iPhone users and Mac zealots just rubbing off all other devices and companies simply because of devotion to one simple thing.
Like Mac OSX. I love it, but I don't love Apple hardware. Some thing you have to take it all or nothing. You can't love one without the other. You have to love OSX and if you do you love Apple hardware. I think PC companies make MUCH better machines than Apple. The OS is what's holding them down.
Same for HTC and Palm. Now, Palm seems to have a much better OS.
p.s. Or people that write off Sprint because they aren't doing so well. Sprint by and by has the better network. It's faster and broader reaching that AT&T. Not to mention you pay much less for it. This phone may not be the savior or Sprint, but I know it may keep people from leaving them for an expensive, non-insured phone and a plan that will be twice as much.
It is nonsense comparing jacked up webpages to full compiled applications. There is absolutely no web app that can compare to the experience of a native app because your significantly limited by "power" and by the lack of ways to do interface animations. Native apps use less resources, and that is a important thing on a mobile platform, where resources are highly limited. They can reach down closer to the machine and extract better performance. Even with webkit's CSS Animations, animations in the Safari browser are poor and choppy. The Pre, being based on webkit, can expect similar or slightly better performance. Interface animations have become a critical part of the mobile experience, so writing them off is not acceptable either.
Just because you can store them locally does not mean they will miraculously gain performance. As of iPhone 2.1, you can create fullscreen web apps with a "manifest" file that will cache any and all of the resources in your app, essentially leaving them installed on your device. I would know because I developed one for personal use. Thing is, they run just the same as in the browser. Slow, laggy, and not a native user experience.
I think there is legitimate reason for what you describe. iPhone users, while annoying, have the right to criticize any else because there simply isn't anything else that even comes close to whole package that is the seamless integration of iPhone/OSX/Push Services/iTunes/App Store.
This Palm Pre, while it may be able to claim similar features, is simply an attempt to "catch up" to the iPhone, and it still falls far short. Consumers rightfully should be annoyed by products that attempt to "catch up" to another because its obviously a ham-handed attempt at money grabbing.
There is no attempt at greatness here. Just an attempt to mimic well enough to covert some sales. That in itself is recognizable and "insulting" to users who understand the difference between real innovation and mockery.
In more than 3 years, I have sent perhaps 2 MMSs to friends (contrary to the thousands of SMSs that have been sent over these years).
MMS is a stillborn technology that few people use. Just move on to IM and email on smartphones...and think of MMS as the floppy that didn't exist in the iMac.
This is what I am talking about.
Have you looked at the phone's UI?
Having been using the UI of the touch and iPhone for two years now it's safe to say that the UI is the ONLY benefit of the iPhone and Touch.
Palm has taken their OWN UI which debuted in 95 and Apple did copy aspects from, and revamped it to make it more desktop like and fluid. It is simply a better OS.
Simply writing the Pre off as a knock off is blind devotion.
And to say that Palm is mimicking greatness while Apple strips down $2800 machines for consumers is a joke. The Pre doesn't claim similar features, it has the same features their other smartphones have had for years which Apple still does not have.
Seriously! This is no mere attempt. Palm raised the bar for the OS game. While HTC was being held back by Windows Mobile, Palm has added a new OS that matches the fluidity of Android and Palms brilliance in productivity.
You make great points about the webapps.... very good ones indeed.
It is nonsense to refer to a webapp as a "jacked up webpage". Clearly you are not a developer.
Again, clearly not a developer. This is fictional fantasy
you assume all native apps work better/are more stable than the built-in Safari app? Simply untrue. Safari is highly refined and more stable than 80% of the native apps to come out (that use the web).
You're making the juicy animations and interaction more important than the actual internet related functionality, and while that may be how you feel, is not what I'm talking about. (also not true from developers perspective)
You are giving native apps way too much credit. You are comparing webapps that access web-based content, to the performance of native apps that access native, local content. If you actually compare them to native apps that access WEB BASED CONTENT like I've said 20 times already, you'll see clearly what I'm talking about.
I was taking you seriously, but obviously you're off your rocker. $2800 computers bother you, that much is clear, but its non-relative.
Its not blidn devotion to say this a knock off, a developer and a marketing professional (me) can look at this, read the descrip and know instantly what it is. Cheap knock off is an understatement in referring to the Pre.
Vast understatement.
Also, to say the UI is the only good thing about iPhone/touch, is so right-field ridiculous that I can't continue to take you seriously, sorry.
Very true, and it's what I somewhat imagined with a mobile OSX. The ribbon thing is very Apple-esque. But in keeping with the original Palm OS, you can only stick 5 apps down there.
Yea, I'm definately with you on this one.
I guess what I was wondering about it that it bothered you that people break their phones and run back out to buy another one immediately at FULL PRICE. I'm actually saving up some funds to get myself one and if it falls and breaks I won't be running back to the store necessarily because I'm one of the sheep but because I just dropped my $3-400 phone and destroyed it. And yes I will cry the entire drive back to the store.
But I would be somewhat pissed knowing I'm gonna have to repay and "resave" all that money again for a brand new one but I can just be pissed because I'd be the one that dropped it I guess eh?I respect your post and your superior Mac knowledge to what I know sir. Thank you.