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Palm Pre to Launch June 6th Priced at $199.99

fratboy said:
yup we will just have to see. and to who ever said competition is good... i know this. competition makes apple make my iphone BETTER
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Thats correct, I just have to reserve my doubt in apple for now.

Its 5 month after Pre debut at CES, and apple came out with a lame excuse for its lack of multi-tasking, battery technology hasn't improve significantly for years.

Yeah, we will see, apple sure has enough base and cash to wait a year or two. as a user, as long as they dont hold apple stock, why not enjoy better stuff sooner than later.... :)
 
I think the Pre will do fine, however, if I were Palm/Sprint I wouldn't have waited until right before WWDC to release it.

You'll have those die-hard Plam users that will buy the Pre no matter what, just like you'll have those die-hard Apple users that will buy Apple no matter what. What Plam/Sprint should have gone after are the fence sitters. *IF* I were considering the Pre and the new iPhone, I would certainly wait two days to see what Apple has to offer before buying the Pre.

Now if Plam/Sprint released the Pre say on May 6th They would have pushed a lot of the fence sitters their way. Not everyone would be patient enough to sit around and wait to hear about the new iPhone when you have the "new hotness," the Pre available now. 1 month wait is much different than a two-day wait.
 
Kahnyl said:
What's the point of rebates? I never hear of them in my country yet I hear of them a lot in the states. What's the difference between selling it for $299 with a rebate and just selling it for $199?
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It is a revenue issue for Sprint. They get to book and recognize(report) the full amount as earnings of the device at $299. Since the rebate can take weeks- to months they can control how mush is paid and when. IT is pure and simple, no pun intended, a accounting trick.
 
Revelation78 said:
I think the Pre will do fine, however, if I were Palm/Sprint I wouldn't have waited until right before WWDC to release it.

You'll have those die-hard Plam users that will buy the Pre no matter what, just like you'll have those die-hard Apple users that will buy Apple no matter what. What Plam/Sprint should have gone after are the fence sitters. *IF* I were considering the Pre and the new iPhone, I would certainly wait two days to see what Apple has to offer before buying the Pre.

Now if Plam/Sprint released the Pre say on May 6th They would have pushed a lot of the fence sitters their way. Not everyone would be patient enough to sit around and wait to hear about the new iPhone when you have the "new hotness," the Pre available now. 1 month wait is much different than a two-day wait.
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Totally agree this was a bad move. People are going to focus their attention to Apple the minute WWDC starts. Secondly Apple has been doiung a great job of controling the news. Search the articles on the iPhone vs the Pre, thousands compared to hundreds on any given day.. On another note I think most people are going to to have to think hard about switching to Sprint. It is not like switching from AT&T to Verzion.
 
I'm a current iPhone 3G user who will be switching to the Pre on release day. My main reason for the switch is AT&T, and their lack of a 3G signal when their coverage map says I'm in the middle of 3G coverage. Oh, and the countless dropped calls too. Dog Sprint all you want, their network at least where I live is one of the best in my opinion. Not to mention I get 450 minutes with unlimited text, data, navigation, MMS, and nights that start at 7pm for a little less than $55 a month.

The Pre is simply the first WebOS phone being released, there are rumors of two more slated for release before the end of the year in two different form factors. The Palm "Pixie" will be released on Sprint and AT&T this fall.

Look you insecure fanboys, nothing will kill the iPhone, nothing. However nothing will kill RIM, nothing will kill WM devices, and nothing will kill Symbian. They're still around and doing very great two almost three years after the iPhone's release. With as great as the iPhone is, they weren't able to put a single phone platform out of business. Palm never touted WebOS as an iPhone killer, they are simply going after the fast growing market of smart phone users.
 
themoonisdown09 said:
If anybody can create a real iPhone competitor, it's Palm.
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I agree. They can probably create a device that competes. But the goal has shifted. They now not only have to create a competitive device but an OS that allows for a competitive software library and an application store that is as easy to use as Apple's.

That, I think, will be much harder.

Can the Pre do games like the iPhone can?
 
thetexan said:
Look you insecure fanboys, nothing will kill the iPhone, nothing. However nothing will kill RIM, nothing will kill WM devices, and nothing will kill Symbian. They're still around and doing very great two almost three years after the iPhone's release. With as great as the iPhone is, they weren't able to put a single phone platform out of business. Palm never touted WebOS as an iPhone killer, they are simply going after the fast growing market of smart phone users.
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I agree and that's what I've been thinking all along since the release of the iPhone. There will never just be a single smart phone out there. If there was, then that would suck. It's always good to have options.

There are lots of things that the iPhone does better than any other phone, but there are also things that the Palm Pre will do that are better than any other phone.
 
thetexan said:
However nothing will kill RIM
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I disagree. I think RIM is quite vulnerable. Once the email features of the Blackberry become standard, what are they going to compete on? They have an entrenched position, which is both good and bad.
 
Agathon said:
I disagree. I think RIM is quite vulnerable. Once the email features of the Blackberry become standard, what are they going to compete on? They have an entrenched position, which is both good and bad.
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RIM sells solid devices, but if they don't innovate with multimedia features they will go the way of PalmOS.

Believe it or not having a Blackberry device is actually "cool" within my group of friends and people my age. I'm a 26 year old male, so many people have a Blackberry it's not even funny. I'm one of the few people I know who has an iPhone, and it sure gets no attention anymore. In fact at the club last weekend I took it out to reply to a text and the girl I was talking to told me to put away my "toy" referring to my iPhone. She was sporing the Bold.

RIM isn't going anywhere today, but yea you're right in 5-10 years if their OS looks like it does today it'll be vulnerable. RIM's biggest competition will be from WM devices / ActiveSync. I run an Exchange server as part of my job and a few months ago we shutdown BES and forced all our users to use a device that has ActiveSync. So much simpler. RIM would be smart to license that technology from Microsoft and integrate it with BIS somehow.
 
fratboy said:
i like how engaget says " poor apple " .. what i think they meant to say is poor palm.. they will have 2 days of excitment then will be SHUT DOWN .. by new iphone and iphone OS after wwdc people will be saying pre who?
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I believe Engadget was being sarcastic. Come one after being on these forums you haven't learned to read sarcasm?;)

fratboy said:
this is what everyone said about every other iphone KILLER... and the pre is a little to late in the game.... in the end i believe it will go down just like all the other iphone killers.
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I think it will do pretty well for sprint, just like the G1 has for T-Mobile. These phones not only make each other (including iPhone) better, but they help to lower costs of service across the board. For example T-Mobile's $20 3G unlimited data plan, now there are stories on AT&T thinking about it.
 
Agathon said:
I disagree. I think RIM is quite vulnerable. Once the email features of the Blackberry become standard, what are they going to compete on? They have an entrenched position, which is both good and bad.
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The email features of a BB just work extremely well in comparison to the competition. There stance is with corporation. I still don't see major corporations using an iPhone as their choice in phone nor the pre. I think as long as RIM holds down that market they will be just fine. Not to mention they have the number 1 selling smartphone in the market. The real competition between companies and carriers shall start when the 4G network is the standard. People will have to compete directly against major companies on the same network. Also, carriers won't have to look to have exclusives with carriers since the phone will work on the 4G network. I am excited for technology in this market over the next couple years. I can say I have really lost my excitement for apple products, especially the iPhone. The one thing that has my attention is the media device/tablet, and any changes to the 15" MBP. But the tablet rumor is the only thing remotely exciting coming from apple these days.

I am very excited to see what the pre can do and check it out in stores.
 
themoonisdown09 said:
If anybody can create a real iPhone competitor, it's Palm. Everything is just hearsay until the Palm Pre and new iPhone are released though.

I don't think anything will come out, at least in the foreseeable future, that will be an "iPhone killer".

Again, I'm not crazy about the Palm Pre (I will be buying an iPhone this summer), but I encourage you to look at this hands-on review done by Engadget.
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Yeah they said the same thing before all the other "iphone killers" were released.

Why not just set this bloody at the 199, the price is 299. That's how much you have to cough up when you go in the store, screw that rebate nonsense.

thetexan said:
I'm a current iPhone 3G user who will be switching to the Pre on release day. My main reason for the switch is AT&T, and their lack of a 3G signal when their coverage map says I'm in the middle of 3G coverage. Oh, and the countless dropped calls too. Dog Sprint all you want, their network at least where I live is one of the best in my opinion. Not to mention I get 450 minutes with unlimited text, data, navigation, MMS, and nights that start at 7pm for a little less than $55 a month.

The Pre is simply the first WebOS phone being released, there are rumors of two more slated for release before the end of the year in two different form factors. The Palm "Pixie" will be released on Sprint and AT&T this fall.

Look you insecure fanboys, nothing will kill the iPhone, nothing. However nothing will kill RIM, nothing will kill WM devices, and nothing will kill Symbian. They're still around and doing very great two almost three years after the iPhone's release. With as great as the iPhone is, they weren't able to put a single phone platform out of business. Palm never touted WebOS as an iPhone killer, they are simply going after the fast growing market of smart phone users.
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Yawn, when did anybody say the iphone was going to put anybody out of business, some of you take yourself too serious.
 
I don't care much for an iPhone "Killer."
I care for an iPhone "Competitor."
And a competitor for that phone.
Then a competitor for that phone.
And Then have the last phone compete with the iPhone again.

Because all 4 of those devices wont kill the iPhone.
Why?
Because Apple will adapt and change to better the consumer.

THAT is what will keep the iPhone at the top/ near top.
Its not the phone itself, its the company that makes it, and we all know Apple will not let it die.

Competion is best for everyone.
 
I really really want a Palm Pre, but I can't justify signing up with Sprint just for a new toy. If there was a GSM/UMTS compatible version I could slip my iPhone sim card into then I would have one just to use as another phone (I want an Android phone too, but the G1 hardware is junk).

Oh well.. :(
 
robothero said:
If you're getting a Pre, plans start at 69$.
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It's real easy to get a 25% discount with Sprint. My employer offers up a 25% discount, but even if yours does not there are still ways to get Sprint to put a discount of 25% on your monthly service. $52.49 per month + tax is what I'll pay for my plan with Sprint using the Pre.

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If you don't qualify for a discount, you can sign up for $59.99 (Save $10 per month) and get more minutes by using the Everything Plus Referral. http://mcguireslaw.com/2008/07/16/psst-have-you-heard-about-everything-plus/ .. That guy is a VP at Sprint, so the deal is legit.
 
LinMac said:
I really really want a Palm Pre, but I can't justify signing up with Sprint just for a new toy. If there was a GSM/UMTS compatible version I could slip my iPhone sim card into then I would have one just to use as another phone (I want an Android phone too, but the G1 hardware is junk).

Oh well.. :(
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There was a GSM version shown for one of the EU carriers. No one seems sure when it will be released though.
 
fratboy said:
this is what everyone said about every other iphone KILLER... and the pre is a little to late in the game.... in the end i believe it will go down just like all the other iphone killers.
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What exactly do you mean go down??

Do you mean like the BB Storm being #3 in 1st quarter smartphone sales. And the G-1 being #5. While the iPhone sits at #2.

The BB curve 83xx series is #1 and I hardly consider that an iPhone killer but its beating it in sales. Then again anything decent on all carriers would but the point is the other phones are doing very well and have been great competition. While the other companies go all out on features, apple plays catch up. A OS update is great, but I haven't seen them advancing the market like the pre will be doing. Even the G-1 and Storm, which aren't fantastic are helping push the market.

The iPhone is the iPhone, Palm isn't trying to KILL it, they just want a share in this market and it looks like they will do very well.
 
themoonisdown09 said:
I think the Palm Pre is a different story though.



Obviously you aren't business minded.
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Being business minded doesn't simply mean selling for the highest price. What Sprint should have done is offered an incentive to customers buying accessories. Something like, 'buy the Pre and the touchstone plus bluetooth or case and we give you an instant rebate.'

My reasoning is in this economy even though you get the money back it's difficult for people to pay:

$299+tax: Phone
$69+tax: Touchstone
$29+tax: Case
And then whatever else

That adds up to almost $400. Many people might decide to hold off on the other items. If they gave you an instant rebate upon purchase of those things Sprint would still be getting the $300 at point of sale, but they'd be moving more merchandise and wouldn't be obligated to pay the customer in a few months.
 
Kahnyl said:
What's the point of rebates? I never hear of them in my country yet I hear of them a lot in the states. What's the difference between selling it for $299 with a rebate and just selling it for $199?
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There's also the fact that the Palm Pre still sells for $299 - rebates don't always last forever.

It'd be difficult to sell the Pre for $199 then later increase the price to $299. On the other hand, setting the price at $299 and removing the rebate gives them flexibility to increase the price, even if they don't use it.
 
clevin said:
since when a bunch of small features that have existed for AGES suddenly so shining that people will forget desktop level multi-tasking, multiple workflow without interruption, synergy?
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As long as you're on a 3" screen, multi-tasking is never going to be "desktop level."

thetexan said:
Look you insecure fanboys, nothing will kill the iPhone, nothing. However nothing will kill RIM, nothing will kill WM devices, and nothing will kill Symbian. They're still around and doing very great two almost three years after the iPhone's release.
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Why would you think that? Palm's entire pre-Pre lineup was effectively killed by superior competition. Inferior OS'es can and will be killed, or reduced to virtual irrelevance, eventually.

Agathon said:
I disagree. I think RIM is quite vulnerable. Once the email features of the Blackberry become standard, what are they going to compete on? They have an entrenched position, which is both good and bad.
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Agreed. RIM has not really innovated in a long time. As of now they have the brand loyalty and email service to stay in a strong position, but their handsets have not really been particularly impressive for some time.
 
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