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Palm, I think it's about time you get the memo. It's time to get your own platform. Give us all a break with the cat & mouse game. If your in the business of making a phone you should have the people to design your own music sources & platform etc. (Shame on you)
 
Apple do provide a proper way for 3rd Party devices to sync with iTunes, Palm are for some reason ignoring it and pretending to be an Apple Device rather then following the correct usgae for 3rd party devices.

This is how Blackberry RIM does it, so to say that there is no way of doing it is just plain dumb.

Then again, they wouldn't get the publicity if they just did it properly would they.
 
Ha, wow, palm sure likes making itself look pathetic doesn't it.

It's kind of like the kid at the grocery store who's mom tells him to quiet down, and purely out of childish spite he starts screaming louder.

How long till the USB-IF delivers a spanking?
 
Here's a great blog post/article about the subject-

http://hunter.pairsite.com/blogs/20091004/

You see, Palm doesn't need the iTunes app to sync the Pre. They don't need to draw Apple's ire, or play yo-yo with their customers over this important capability. They can sync the Pre to a customer's iTunes music library with a public, open, and documented approach that has been used by third-party developers and device makers for years. This capability was created by none other than Apple itself.

Turns out it's a simple matter of reading the iTunes music library XML catalog file on a customer's computer, and using that to create a sync capability for the Pre. Not only is that XML file plain-text and human readable, it's got a published document type definition (DTD). Apple has developed this XML approach specifically "to make your music and playlists available to other applications" (see KB HT1660).

Clearly, other companies know how to sync painlessly with iTunes music (see RIM's Blackberry Media Sync for example), so why doesn't Palm develop a syncing solution for their own hardware? The exact reason is unknown, but my guess is that it's a combination of things.

With the recent webOS 1.2.1 release, Palm is also using iTunes to sync photos (in addition to re-enabling music sync). So their dependence on iTunes grows. What's more, Palm has resorted to spoofing multiple USB IDs, including Apple's USB Vendor ID, Manufacturer ID, and product ID, and even using an iPod serial number when connecting to iTunes. Besides giving a big eff-you to the USB Implementer's Forum standards body, this sends a strong message that Palm is unwilling to offer their own sync solution and will instead do whatever it takes to keep expanding their use of iTunes, regardless of the legality or ethics.
 
Word of advice for you: stuff like this is not worth the energy to worry about or be pissed off at. :) If it means you never consider buying a Palm product because of it, well that's the risk Palm takes, and so be it.

Personally I wish I could sync a Zune with iTunes, but that's more a problem of MS not playing nice hardware-wise, isn't it? (If DoubleTwist would let me put iTunes music on a Zune... I'll buy one.)

I don't actually occupy time in my life being pissed about it lol. Just more of an impression.

Second... Not only do I not want a Zune or any Microsoft product, but I would never support them and the DRM lock-in world that they always seek so eagerly to create! :rolleyes:
 
I don't actually occupy time in my life being pissed about it lol. Just more of an impression.

Second... Not only do I not want a Zune or any Microsoft product, but I would never support them and the DRM lock-in world that they always seek so eagerly to create! :rolleyes:

you need a hug. *hugs*
 
Actually there is.

Some Motorola phones can sync with iTunes. They did this the right way and licenced the technology from Apple.

If you would show me where there is public information available on how to license iTunes sync technologies, I'd be more then happy to stand corrected.

Otherwise I regard this as an example of exception.

Anyway, people should get more relaxed regarding that story.

Palm is building not more then an "iPod-Emulator". Just like Bleem! (anyone remembers?) build a PSOne emulator 10 years ago and commercialized it - what a surprise they spoofed being a Playstation, and like any other virtualization tool out there "spoofing" being an intel PC with Hardware ABC from Manufacturer XYZ. Thats all of it.
 
Really, really, this has to end. If Palm would like to write their own jukebox player and ability to sync with the Pre, then they really should do so instead of trying to take from the efforts of others.
 
I'm putting this at the top of the message since it bears argument with a LOT of the posts on here that keep saying that Palm should simply make its own synchronization software to work with existing iTunes libraries. Sorry, but Apple would fight that too. See this: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090427/1917274671.shtml

Apple does NOT want users to be able to use their music libraries with other programs PERIOD. They want users to buy their hardware and ONLY use it with iTunes (that link talks about Linux users wanting to use the iTunes alternative "Songbird" to sync to an iPod, which is the reverse of the Palm situation and Apple attempted to have them shut down under first DMCA and then copyright claims, neither of which actually apply to that situation but it shows you the extent they will go to and the fact that they do not want other companies reading the iTunes XML database files for ANY reason). And yet I'm constantly told that Apple isn't trying to stop competition and that Palm is just lazy. :rolleyes:


Can I use BMW car parts in my Mercedes? - No
Do Sony PS3 games play on my X-Box? - No
Do Canon printer cartridges fir my HP printer? - No

Your comparisons are completely misguided. Apple provides an OPERATING SYSTEM. 3rd party companies are SUPPOSED to be able to utilize that operating system. A better comparison would be whether Ford tries to block Alipine from making stereos that are installed into Ford vehicles! Apple blocks anyone from using something whenever they think it will financially benefit them. That even applies to the Apple Store itself. If Apple comes out with a competing software package suddenly the software they carried before goes missing.

Apple are NOT blocking competition.
Palm can make a phone and software both of which can be installed on a Mac or Windows and work, no competition is being harmed.

You just don't get it. Some of us use iTunes to organize our entire media library. What does iTunes have to do with phones? That's something Apple chose to ADD to a media player program designed originally for their operating system. What you are suggesting is that it would be OK if Apple blocked 3rd party hardware makers from being able to access Safari or the Finder or Spotlight, etc. Or that it would be OK if Apple decided to block Safari from being able to view Palm's web site. The question here is whether Apple is an operating system vendor with responsibilities to serve the entire Mac community or whether it's just a phone or walkman vendor like Sony with propriety software that can and should only function with their own products. Clearly, the answer is that Apple dabbles in MULTIPLE MARKETS and that's what gets them into trouble for it is when and ONLY when a company purposely makes licenses and such to impede competition using that one market to leverage the other market that they have broken the tying provision of the Clayton Anti-Trust Law.

The WHOLE POINT of that law is to ensure that the consumer has free choices and are not blackmailed somehow into buying another product. Apple has provided me with iTunes media software WITH my Macintosh computer. But then it turns around and actively attempts to deny me to use that software with any external media hardware but Apple's hardware. This should come as little surprise since they do the same thing in the OS X license so that you are "encouraged" to buy ONLY Apple brand name hardware to use with the OS X operating system. That is without a doubt a violation of the tying provision of the Clayton Act. Hardware and Software are two different markets and Apple made a license that forces a consumer to buy ONLY their hardware to use with their retail operating system. This iPod syncing issue is simply a sub-set of that operating system that is set up to deny users from buying auxiliary hardware that is not from Apple. They have even gone so far as to put a special control chip in their newer iPod Shuffle to FORCE people to buy ONLY THEIR HEADPHONES to use with it (or someone that has paid them to license the use of such a chip) when all they had to do was put a female headphone jack at the end of a control wire to avoid the situation. They didn't do it that way because then anyone's headphones could be used with it. And you're telling me that Apple is not trying to actively BLOCK competition???? Bologna!

Palm just can't be bothered spending the time and money that Apple has done.

WTF should Palm have to recreate part of the Operating System just to synchronize music files in an existing user library? I had iTunes organize all my media long before I ever bought an iPod or an Apple TV. It is the premier media control software for Macintosh computers and it comes with the Operating System. Apple should therefore be providing a generic interface to all developers to do just that from the start. More to the point, why should I have to use another program to manage my music and video libraries just because Apple wants me to buy their hardware and therefore tries to deny me full use of the software they provided in the Operating System that came with my computer? The CHOICE should be MINE, not Apple's and not Palm's. That's the whole darn point of the Clayton Anti-Trust Act. The CHOICE should be up to the consumer and the BEST PRODUCT in that particular market (iTunes is not part of the phone hardware market) should win. If Apple wants me to buy an iPhone, then the iPhone should be the more attractive product. THAT is what should decide my choice, not Apple denying everyone else the right to synchronize (or even play) music or movies.

Keep in mind that you CANNOT play iTunes Store purchased movies (and older encrypted music) on 3rd party hardware PERIOD, even IF that hardware provides its own interface and media player and synchronization software. And that stems from Apple's REFUSAL to COOPERATE or LICENSE its encryption for use by other companies, once again SOLELY TO PREVENT COMPETITION. If Apple wants people like myself to stop pointing these things out, maybe they should try actually competing on their own merits instead of trying to sabotage all other companies from competing on a level playing field. They can start by removing that BS license from their OS X operating system that denies ANY AND ALL COMPETITION for OS X compatible hardware to all other vendors who might wish to install it on their hardware.

Some of you have it in your heads that people in the United States are allowed to do anything they want with their inventions/creations/software and seem to utterly clueless about the laws of this country that are designed to protect the market place and ensure that our economic system of Capitalism actually works. If you want to do commerce in this country, you have to follow the rules. Capitalism does not work when competition is sabotaged by companies that would rather try and cheat the consumer of his choice than compete with a better made product. What does Apple have to fear from Palm if its product is BETTER than Palm's product? NOTHING. The fact they are going out of their way to try and keep Palm from simply accessing the the user's music libraries for easy loading shows that they have NO FAITH in their own product to compete on an even playing field.

Apple have NOT broken the law, and you are a bigger idiot than I thought if you think they have.

The fact you have had to stoop to personal flames tells me your arguments have no merit, what-so-ever. The fact you don't comprehend the Clayton Ant-Trust Act when it spells out verbatim that a company cannot leverage one market against another in a way that purposely tries to defeat competition tells me you should do some more studying.

The theft here that you seem so willing to ignore, is the theft of all the work and money that Apple have spent developing iTunes to support its players, which Palm just steal to sell their own products.

Again, what was stolen? You cannot even tell spoofing an I.D. (something that Apple does themselves in their web browser) from theft. Apparently, you think when Apple spoofs that it's perfectly OK but when Palm does it, they've stolen Apple's property somehow. They have not TOUCHED iTunes ONE BIT so this idea that they've stolen something is completely and totally and utterly LUDICROUS.

Are you saying that there will never be a competitor to iTunes? Should one never be developed? Is that really what you want?

There are plenty of competitors to iTunes including Microsoft's Media Player, VLC and a large number based on the Linux platform. What do any of those have to do with my right to synchronize my existing library on a phone that I purchase? I'm using iTunes because I'm FORCED to in order to use my two Apple TV units. But then I'm expected to create all new libraries with some 3rd party product just to synchronize music to a non-Apple product? WTF should I have to do that when it's already organized in iTunes? So Apple can try and cheat me out of a choice to buy a potentially better music player or phone? That's a load of BS because iTunes was not created to service the iPhone. It was created to be the media player for OS X. Apple has no obligation to support Palm under the Clayton Act, but they are not allowed to purposely sabotage Palm in their Operating System either.
 
Apple does NOT want users to be able to use their music libraries with other programs PERIOD. They want users to buy their hardware and ONLY use it with iTunes (that link talks about Linux users wanting to use the iTunes alternative "Songbird" to sync to an iPod, which is the reverse of the Palm situation and Apple attempted to have them shut down under first DMCA and then copyright claims, neither of which actually apply to that situation but it shows you the extent they will go to and the fact that they do not want other companies reading the iTunes XML database files for ANY reason).

Um...

iTunes Music Library.xml

This file contains some (but not all) of the same information stored in the iTunes Library file. The purpose of the iTunes Music Library.xml file is to make your music and playlists available to other applications on your computer. In Mac OS X other iLife applications (like iPhoto, iDVD, and iMovie) use this file to make it easier for you to add music from your iTunes library to your projects.

That's from Apple's own site.

The very reason that the XML file exists at all is so that other programs can read it. They're not trying to make it so they can't. Have you ever actually opened that thing? It's not cryptic at all, it's human readable! And no, it doesn't exist for iTunes to store library information. iTunes uses the "iTunes Library" proprietary-format file for all of its data. As stated above, it generates the XML file specifically so that other programs can have access to your library.
 
If you would show me where there is public information available on how to license iTunes sync technologies, I'd be more then happy to stand corrected.

I am sure that someone will post the KB article of all the players that Apple used to support from within iTunes - not everything (like an application process has to be publicly viable to the world. Stuff like that is done through formal communications and privately.

Otherwise I regard this as an example of exception.

As indicated, Apple has offered syncing capabilities before for older mp3 players. Obviously Apple hasn't done that since the ROKR, but they have done it - and there was a partnership. Its not a technical thing, most players don't do it because they know that it's not supported.

Palm is building not more then an "iPod-Emulator". Just like Bleem! (anyone remembers?) build a PSOne emulator 10 years ago and commercialized it - what a surprise they spoofed being a Playstation, and like any other virtualization tool out there "spoofing" being an intel PC with Hardware ABC from Manufacturer XYZ. Thats all of it.

Its not the same. Bleem is emulation software that emulates the Playstation OS and its hardware. The problem with Palm is that there is no emulation - its outright spoofing since iTunes is not an operating system.

Emulation would be if Palm released a program that would run the iPhone OS on a desktop (or the Pre) that would run its software as though it was a native system. Apple provides something like that with their developer tools.

Oh and Bleem was the subject of several lawsuits from Sony (which drive them out of business) - it may never have been pulled from the shelves, but we should point out that what Bleem was doing is totally different. For what it's worth, I don't think that Apple licenses any part of its software or OS for emulation.
 
I'm putting this at the top of the message since it bears argument with a LOT of the posts on here that keep saying that Palm should simply make its own synchronization software to work with existing iTunes libraries. Sorry, but Apple would fight that too. See this: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090427/1917274671.shtml

Apple does NOT want users to be able to use their music libraries with other programs PERIOD. They want users to buy their hardware and ONLY use it with iTunes (that link talks about Linux users wanting to use the iTunes alternative "Songbird" to sync to an iPod, which is the reverse of the Palm situation and Apple attempted to have them shut down under first DMCA and then copyright claims, neither of which actually apply to that situation but it shows you the extent they will go to and the fact that they do not want other companies reading the iTunes XML database files for ANY reason). And yet I'm constantly told that Apple isn't trying to stop competition and that Palm is just lazy. :rolleyes:

The main iTunes database file is a binary format that the iPods also use internally. That's what the article you linked is about. Apple is completely open about the XML version of the database. These are two different things completely. Not to mention your article linked was about using the iPod with other music software, not using other music players with iTunes. Different situation. You sort of admit as much so I don't understand why you're trying to link two different situations together. All you offer is speculation.
 
Its not the same. Bleem is emulation software that emulates the Playstation OS and its hardware. The problem with Palm is that there is no emulation - its outright spoofing since iTunes is not an operating system.

Emulation would be if Palm released a program that would run the iPhone OS on a desktop (or the Pre) that would run its software as though it was a native system. Apple provides something like that with their developer tools.

It perfectly is the same, because as far as I remember, for Bleem running PS Games you would not need a copy of the PS 'OS' (its highly discussable if the ROM of the PS actually counts as an OS by itself - well different story). Anyhow what i.e. bleem did was making the gamedisk think its talking to a PS, nothing else is doing palm - its latest firmware (i.e. Software) makes iTunes think its talking to an iPod

Oh and Bleem was the subject of several lawsuits from Sony (which drive them out of business) - it may never have been pulled from the shelves, but we should point out that what Bleem was doing is totally different. For what it's worth, I don't think that Apple licenses any part of its software or OS for emulation.

Yes and according to wikipedia "Bleem! won in court...[and] Sony lost on all counts".

And just for the record:

"An emulator in computer sciences duplicates (provides an emulation of) the functions of one system using a different system, so that the second system behaves like (and appears to be) the first system. This focus on exact reproduction of external behavior is in contrast to some other forms of computer simulation, which can concern an abstract model of the system being simulated." (Source: Wikipedia)
 
If I was a Palm owner I'd be pretty disappointed at being pushed into being a hacker that's toying with another company's software like this. No one wants to feel like they aren't wanted, especially when you pay 100's of dollars - you expect to enjoy your product without nonsense and especially without feeling like you're some sort of dodgy hacker.
 
The very reason that the XML file exists at all is so that other programs can read it. They're not trying to make it so they can't. Have you ever actually opened that thing? It's not cryptic at all, it's human readable! And no, it doesn't exist for iTunes to store library information. iTunes uses the "iTunes Library" proprietary-format file for all of its data. As stated above, it generates the XML file specifically so that other programs can have access to your library.

I guess Palm doesn't have the "resources" to make their own solution like Blackberry, so they have to cheat. It's effing XML for crying out loud!!!! Apple couldn't make it easier for Palm. How pathetic.
 
So to answer your question, Apple allowing any phone around to use it's holy grail (itunes) means possible loss of sales on their hardware. This means loss of money to apple and possible loss of interest to develop things we value. If people cannot hold rights to their property, there is less of a reason to spend time or money on developing or maintaining that property.

Close, but it still doesn't answer why Apple allows other companies to access the XML db. If Apple were really serious about locking iTunes to the iPod, RIM wouldn't be releasing their new software. Salling Media Sync, The Missing Sync and DoubleTwist would also not have (much of) a reason to exist.

I think it's about 1) protecting your IP and 2) protecting your users. If syncing doesn't work, there's about a 50% chance that the user is going to contact your support group. Even if you pass the blame (which in the case of Palm, RIM, SMS, TMS and DT the blame would be passed to the other party) you still have time that's wasted (and time=money) and/or your customer's opinion of you goes down.

Finally, very few people are buying a Pre, looking for a good sync option and deciding to use iTunes (esp on Windows where there are "better" options). More likely, these users have already been using iTunes (and might even own an iPod or an iPhone) and purchased a Pre thinking that it might be nice to just have a single music library.

It's silly for Palm to expect its users to put up with this game. Grow up, Palm. Be the company that everyone wanted you to be. There were a lot of people pulling for you with the Pre, but all you've done is show how much you haven't changed.
 
I think it's about 1) protecting your IP and 2) protecting your users. If syncing doesn't work, there's about a 50% chance that the user is going to contact your support group. Even if you pass the blame (which in the case of Palm, RIM, SMS, TMS and DT the blame would be passed to the other party) you still have time that's wasted (and time=money) and/or your customer's opinion of you goes down.

I think that is a very accurate way of putting things. Its not about "fair" its about protecting their IP and keeping support costs down to a minimum. Thats' what the XML file is there, so that they can avoid the problems of having to structure iTunes around the needs of competitors. Its not worth the headache no matter how many potentiality music sales they would make.

One of Apples goals is almost surely about making sure that their really successful markets (iPods, music, iTunes, etc) do not get out of control so that the get into the problem of a Microsoft situation where it gets perceived that they are a trust that is easy to violate.
 
I guess Palm doesn't have the "resources" to make their own solution like Blackberry, so they have to cheat. It's effing XML for crying out loud!!!! Apple couldn't make it easier for Palm. How pathetic.

Umm I pretty sure they do have the "resources" to do it and I believe they have a program that could easily been modifid to handle the job. I am thinking back to the old palm syncing software they had for things like the Palm TX and what not. I know it had a media function in it.

But it does come back to argument that it means the users has to install more "ok" software on there computer to handle sycing there media to there phone.
That means more crap on the computer to do the same basic thing.

This gets pointed out and it is passed over multiple times. You still fail to understand that point of view.

I think it also keeps the Palm in the media and to the general public it makes the Apple look like a big bullie. The legallity of what Palm is doing is questionable but in the PR game Palm is winning. (People here on theses boards for the most part are to much Apple fans to be a good judge)
 
But it does come back to argument that it means the users has to install more "ok" software on there computer to handle sycing there media to there phone.
That means more crap on the computer to do the same basic thing.

It doesn't matter what approach you take though because you can never treat everybody equally. Trying to qually support dozens of manufactured devices with different operating systems and different functionality expectantly when you are cometing with them is i monumental task. Thats why both OS's have a generic sync system (Apple has SyncServices and MS has something similar) so that developers can go the messy job on their own and not rely on other people.

Regrettably, the argument of "more crap on the computer to do the same thing" is fairly meaningsless. Unless you are on a Mac, Windows users have to go out of their way to get iTunes in the first place. If you are allready going out of your way to engage in Apple's ecosystem, why should they care about other players you have?

And all this assumes that other companies want a centralized sync system. I would bet that most companies want you to keep everything in their exosystems as much as Apple wants you to stay in there's. If companies are already willing to create devoted Sync software systems (like Microsoft and the Zune), why bother with a system that already is going to be a hodgepodge anyway.

The main problem is that Apple is a competitor with a vested interest here. Just like Microsoft with the Zune.
 
Apple has every right to block Palm's efforts and protect their iTunes baby. They can continue to release patches and palm will likely to continue to spoof.

That being said, I fail to comprehend why you guys are so passionate about a matter that has such little impact on you. The only people who should really be concerned are Pre owners and apple legal. The lengthy explanations of animosity are a stretch at best.

Every time a Pre syncs I don't lose functionality on my iPod. This isn't world hunger or disease.
 
It doesn't matter what approach you take though because you can never treat everybody equally. Trying to qually support dozens of manufactured devices with different operating systems and different functionality expectantly when you are cometing with them is i monumental task. Thats why both OS's have a generic sync system (Apple has SyncServices and MS has something similar) so that developers can go the messy job on their own and not rely on other people.

Regrettably, the argument of "more crap on the computer to do the same thing" is fairly meaningsless. Unless you are on a Mac, Windows users have to go out of their way to get iTunes in the first place. If you are allready going out of your way to engage in Apple's ecosystem, why should they care about other players you have?

And all this assumes that other companies want a centralized sync system. I would bet that most companies want you to keep everything in their exosystems as much as Apple wants you to stay in there's. If companies are already willing to create devoted Sync software systems (like Microsoft and the Zune), why bother with a system that already is going to be a hodgepodge anyway.

The main problem is that Apple is a competitor with a vested interest here. Just like Microsoft with the Zune.

Yet you still pass over the point I made one a reason why it is being done. It is just coming up with *blank reason* and turn around and say Palm is being cheap. I point out a very valid reason for what palm is doing and that is the same response I get OVER AND OVER again.

BTW Microsoft can sync with WMP the main media device on windows Media player which plays nice with others.

WMP says your hardware needs to do *blank* and works with window Media player. No other software required. Apple approach is "here is a file that holds the information please write some extra crap for the user to install on the computer to sync with the libary" I personally like MS approach. It just saying here is the software that does it. Here are the requirements for it to work with the hardware and then they will not provide any more support past that.

Like I said before in the PR game here. Palm is winning. Apple is looking like nothing more than a big bully picking on the little guy.
 
Yet you still pass over the point I made one a reason why it is being done. It is just coming up with *blank reason* and turn around and say Palm is being cheap. I point out a very valid reason for what palm is doing and that is the same response I get OVER AND OVER again.

Not really. But whatever. Palm had several options before they did this. They chose to do something that nobody wanted to and only cried "unfair" after they were blocked. That smells like BS - especially when other bigger players Like RIM never objected to doing it teh right way.

BTW Microsoft can sync with WMP the main media device on windows Media player which plays nice with others.

The Zune uses the Zune Software. That's the Approach Apple takes (which ironically Microsoft copied) You make the flawed assumption that Windows Media Player = iTunes. That is not the case anymore. Apple dropped that model when they got into the market.

WMP says your hardware needs to do *blank* and works with window Media player. No other software required. Apple approach is "here is a file that holds the information please write some extra crap for the user to install on the computer to sync with the libary" I personally like MS approach. It just saying here is the software that does it. Here are the requirements for it to work with the hardware and then they will not provide any more support past that.

The flawed approach you make is that Apple does not want iTunes to be windows media player anymore than they want the Zune software to be compatible with other players. Thats becasue they, like Microsoft have a stake in the market directly. Microsoft's approach pretty much bombed which is why they copied. Apple designed Sync Services to avoid the hassle of dealing with the problems of defining iTunes around a generic approach. Apple wants iTunes to be special and unique - A competitive advantage. Sync Services is the Windows Media Player approach that Apple chooses. That way they can enhance iTunes in any way they please without affecting other developers. MS tried this base compatibility system with Plays for Sure. It didn't work. Apple doesn't want iTunes to be a Windows Media Player clone (in fact all the playing is done by Quicktime). They share some functionality, but only to a point.

It doesn't matter what is good for you or anybody else - its not the approach that Apple wants to take - especially when they are invested in it.

Like I said before in the PR game here. Palm is winning. Apple is looking like nothing more than a big bully picking on the little guy.
Who cares about PR? You can only hide behind it for so long. Palm can pitch themselves at the little guy all it wants, but it becomes irrelivant when enough people (and there are many) who are starting to see Palm as being arrogant and lazy.

The overall problem with your approach is that base compatibility limits what the devices can do. There are several imitation that iTunes imposes that Palm can never resolve - because Apple never built iTunes around Palms product. It only gets worse due to the differences imposed by other players operations. Employing your own solution gives the maker more control over their product. Much as you want iTunes to be the miracle player - it just won't do that due to the schizophrenic nature of all the devices out there - its always going to be constrained and play second fiddle to Apple's own products which Apple is at a conflict with.

I understand your position, the problem is that Apple has an investment too. And Apple just isn't going to give up an marketable advantage - their shareholders would reject that idea outright. You want Windows Media player for Mac - the closest Apple offers is SyncServices
 
http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/palm-webos-1-2-1-03-10-2009/

Just read this article and saw that Palm has moved to allow syncing again!! Not sure if this has been posted didn't see it on the first page of threads in the iPhone forum!

AnDy

I've said it before. I'll say it again ... Apple need their own ID chips (maybe they already have them) in their products. When iTunes detects a Palm Pre it should replace all the music with Kenny G. The Palm Pre owners would destroy their own Palms shortly thereafter ...:)
 
I've said it before. I'll say it again ... Apple need their own ID chips (maybe they already have them) in their products.

I'm pretty sure this would be blocked by the EU rather sooner then later, probably also by US Government, depending which kind of products a company ID'd - i.a. I'm rather sure it wouldn't be allowed for headphones, speakers, probably not for chargers (the EU just ruled that phones should all have USB hooked chargers in the future)
 
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