Palmeiro Suspended For Steroid Use

Lancetx

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Oops. That congressional testimony is really going to come back to haunt him now as he was obviously not telling them the truth. And obviously Jose Canseco was telling the truth in his book about Raffy (and probably all of the others too) all along after all.
 
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2121659

marks the first marque player to receive a suspension for vioalating the new steroid rules...

as a fan of the orioles, and of palmeiro (should i say, used to be a fan?) i'm incredibly dissapointed and feel cheated. was so excited when he got his 3000th hit. argh...
The most frustarting thing for me is that it gives credability to Canseco's claims about him, meaning everything he said might have been true. As a baseball fan, I didn't want to believe Canseco. I wanted to give the accused players the benefit fo the doubt. It just got harder to do so. Don't get me wrong, I'm not naive. Some of the accused were obviously on Juice. But I wanted to give Palmero in particular the benefit of the doubt.

On the other hand, it takes some kind of idiot to keep doing a banned substance they are testing for now. Makes you wonder if there's any way it could be unintentional as he claims, but he's going to have to prove where it could have possibly come from to change anyone's minds on that.

He also may have just killed his chances to go to the hall of fame.
 
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It's real disheartening. I always thought he was one of the good guys in the game. I guess the only real good guy in baseball was Jose Canseco. I'm not joking about this either. At least he had the decency to tell the truth.
 
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ham_man

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As one of the few pro pleyers left that I actually trusted and respected, this is a shock. The MLB needs to clean up this situation and clean it up fast.

1 positive - out for the season, no pay.
2 positives - out for 3 years, no pay.
3 positives - banned for life, no pay, no pension, no Hall of Fame, no nothin'.
 
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ham_man said:
As one of the few pro pleyers left that I actually trusted and respected, this is a shock. The MLB needs to clean up this situation and clean it up fast.
agreed. he was one player that everyone trusted and respected. was shocked to hear his name mentioned during the canseco hearings. even more shocked now... :(
 
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I'm sort of with you:
Random drug testing for every player year round (each player will get approximately 6 test a year, but it will vary because of the randomness).

1 positive - No suspension. Drug testing every 2 weeks for rest of carreer.
2 positives - Drug testing every week for rest of carreer. No All-star game EVER. No Hall. 1 Year suspension.
3 positives - Done. No playing, no coaching, no owning, no GM, no nothing.
 
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It was only a matter of time before a big name dropped, I wonder who will be next.
 
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eva01

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Gah! Plymouth
for one thing i am glad MLB had the balls to drop the name of a marquee player. i was expecting only small players to "test" positive, i am glad, and i have never liked raffy nor the orioles
 
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Damn shame. I always thought Raffy was a standup guy and a class act. Sure does taint those impressive figures he put up over the course of his career. I would love to believe him, but how does one accidentally inject/ingest steroids?
 
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they all have the same excuse

"i didn't intentionally use steroids"

blah...

:( :mad: :(
That excuse has no validity at all. It would take a hermit to be true. Using steroids is cheating pure and simple. All of there accomplishments should be followed by an asterisk. There needs to be tough regulations that apply to all sports.
 
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It is like saying, " Officer, He fell on his knife." Officer responds, " He fell on is knife 27 times?" Murderer responds, " Umm, yeah." Boo Baseball.
 
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Must have been some steroids in that Viagra. :rolleyes:

Canseco is a jerk, but anyone who didn't believe that at least his general accusations were true was really drinking the kool-aid. :)
 
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If he never took them intentionally, why would he follow those remarks with ...

"I hope the fans understand I have worked very hard over a long 20-year career." Palmeiro said to reporters in a conference call. "… I made a mistake and I'm facing it.
If he wasn't taking steroids, what mistake is he referring to?
 
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This whole thing is hard to swallow for me. It almost feels like he is being framed. Regardless, this is the situation we now have. This will probably keep him out of Cooperstown.
The problem with the MLB's substance abuse policy is that it only tests urine, so it misses HGH, which is the real problem in performance drugs. The guys that are on that are doing the real damage to the game.

grapes911 said:
It's real disheartening. I always thought he was one of the good guys in the game. I guess the only real good guy in baseball was Jose Canseco. I'm not joking about this either. At least he had the decency to tell the truth.
Yeah, decency. I'm sure the cash he got for his book didn't have anything to do with it. It's interesting that he didn't blow the whistle while he was still playing.
 
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emw said:
If he never took them intentionally, why would he follow those remarks with ...


If he wasn't taking steroids, what mistake is he referring to?
I think what he was trying to say was that he's never taken steroids and he'll never do it again.
 
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I think what he was trying to say was that he's never taken steroids and he'll never do it again.
LOL. Nice. :D
 
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it annoys me that he's crying about not intentionally doing it...HOW DO YOU UNINTENTIONALLY TAKE THEM?? Is he illiterate and thus unable to read what the hell he's pumping into himself :p :p
 
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rockthecasbah said:
it annoys me that he's crying about not intentionally doing it...HOW DO YOU UNINTENTIONALLY TAKE THEM?? Is he illiterate and thus unable to read what the hell he's pumping into himself :p :p
Perhaps while he was on first base last night he unintentionally stepped in some steroids and got them on his shoes. Maybe that's what he means. :D
 
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some media outlets are reporting that he failed a steroid test. The test he actually failed was for a banned substance, as far as I can tell, MLB has not and won't say what substance he tested for. It is not necessarily steroids, thought it sure could be. I am just saying he failed a test for a banned substance, it wasn't necessarily the juice. Not that it matters a great deal, it is still bad and taints him, but I wanted to point this out.

As far as HOF, watch McGwire, if he gets in, then Raffy will too, because he was a much better all around playing, regardless of whether he juiced or not. Also, IMO, the steriods controversy won't hurt that many people from getting in the Hall, simply because for the majority, or all of their careers in some cases, they weren't doing anything that violated the rules of the game...yes it was cheating, but not as far as MLB was concerned...just my two cents.

Regardless, I no longer trust Raffy and feel violated as a long time fan from his days with the Texas Rangers. :mad:
 
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Raffy isn't really HOF material besides getting 3000 hits and 500 hrs. His career isn't all the impressive.
 
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i was just talking yesterday about how i didnt think palmerio used steroids i was really surprised to hear this

yeah, I thought that too, he just doesn't look like it... :(
 
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emw said:
If he never took them intentionally, why would he follow those remarks with ...


If he wasn't taking steroids, what mistake is he referring to?
The mistake of unintentionally taking steroids. I can't blame him, that $#*t happens to me all the time. Come on your gonna tell me it never happened to you? :D
 
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