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Palmeiro Suspended For Steroid Use
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So this guy is a baseball player? I'm not joking, never heard of him before today.
Why not just give them all steroids so at least the fans know everyone is on an even playing field. As a strong anti-baseball fan, I will say I like ham man's and grapes911's suggestions a lot.
Why not just give them all steroids so at least the fans know everyone is on an even playing field. As a strong anti-baseball fan, I will say I like ham man's and grapes911's suggestions a lot.
applemacdude said:
Yeah he's a big-time spokesman for Viagra...have you seen the commercials?
Raffy lived in the apartment below me in our college days at Mississippi State . Those were some serious parties! But he was and is an all-around good guy. He just gave MSU some money for a new athletic facility. So this news makes it harder for State fans as he is one of our more successful athletes.
rickvanr said:
I had never heard of him before today's news either. Also not a baseball fan.
Steriods are a drug and so have side effects.
http://www.sportsci.org/encyc/anabstereff/anabstereff.html
The guy's got a flawless stroke at the plate which is really poetry in motion. This is unfortunate but by no means surprising to me. I find it extremely interesting to look at his career stats. There seems to be a sudden surge in power that occurred during the 1993 season. And who rolled onto to the Texas Ranger scene in late 1992? You got it, Jose Canseco - The Juice Man. Nothing like a little conspiratorial cud to chew on during times like this.
Palmeiro Career Stats
Canseco Career Stats
I have no doubt that Palmeiro, McGwire et al will all get into the HOF because Selig will turtle on the matter in hopes of preserving the game. All seems kind of ridiculous when you look at the players who aren't allowed to be in the HOF today.
Palmeiro Career Stats
Canseco Career Stats
I have no doubt that Palmeiro, McGwire et al will all get into the HOF because Selig will turtle on the matter in hopes of preserving the game. All seems kind of ridiculous when you look at the players who aren't allowed to be in the HOF today.
grapes911 said:
Stupid.
You can't do that, it isn't fair. They don't deserve No All-Star game, which is an exhebition game for fun and counts for nothing, and no one deserves no Hall of fame. What happens in 50 years when no one knows Pete Rose and in another 50 years when hes just a forgotten player. He should be in the hall. You're saying that Palmeiro shouldn't be in the Hall? 3000 hits!
Also, drug testing every two weeks is not possibble. Thats over 24 drug tests per year. And then, if a player has a good, long fifteen year career, thats 360 drug tests throughout his career. And if he gets the 2 positives, over 730 drug tests. For ONE player!
dotdotdot said:
Not to hijack this thread (I've posted about Palmeiro above) but I am sick and tired of these primadonnas who skip the All-Star game to nurse hangnails, diahrrea (sic?), etc. If you are voted in and/or chosen and you choose not to play, you should be void for 3 years. Many of these clowns only care about all-star appearances at contract time. Anybody read Sandberg's HOF speech from yesterday? The guy hit so many nails on the head, I lost count.
Out...
Most players get a pretty big bonus for being on the All-star game. It's just another hit in the wallet.dotdotdot said:
Pete Rose SHOULD be in the HoF. What he did is no where near as bad as steroids.
That's not what I said. If he tests positive again, then I think no HoF is very reasonable.
As I see it, we have penalties for 3 reasons: (1) punishment, (2) rehabilitation, (3) deterrence. Obviously this is over kill. Sounds like punishment to me. Hopefully, anyone stupid enough will to use steroids will have learned their lesson to not use them again. We then have rehabilitation by force. I don't know how many people would use steroids if the penalties were this stiff. Deterrence.
I agree in most instances. I was glad when Scott Rolen pulled out. He was hurt most of the first half. Morgan Ensberg deserved to start and wasn't even on the team. I hate when fans vote for big names and have no idea what that player did that year. I give Rolen a lot of credit for having the class to pull out of a game he shouldn't have been voted it to. If it really was for health reasons (which is the excuse I think he gave), then so be it.Inspector Lee said:
Being banned from baseball and not going to the Hall of Fame will be the *least* of his worries if he did indeed commit perjury in front of the congressional committee.
MacNut said:
are you nuts? those are two of the most heralded benchmarks in pro-baseball. without the steroid scandal, he's a first ballot inductee. with the roids... who knows...
quagmire said:
Or this one that I read somewhere....
Unfortunately the deceased committed suicide.
Really?
Yeah, he shot himself in the head.
Twice????
yoda13 said:
There's been a pattern this season among those given steroid suspensions. Most (all?) of them have claimed that the banned substance was in some kind of supplement they were taking that they thought was legal. Whether you believe that or not, it IS possible to take a substance you that was allowed, only to find out later that it wasn't. This doesn't excuse Palmeiro (or anyone else) though. The burden is on them to know what's in the drugs that they're taking. Scott Boras has advocated a list of banned substances by brand name to help reduce confusion. I would go farther than that and instruct the players to submit any supplement to the league first to find out whether it was prohibited.
In my opinion, Palmeiro's only chance of salvaging his reputation (assuming he's telling the truth about it being an accident) is to give details about what he took and the specific drug that he didn't know about. His HoF credentials were under debate as it was and this will convince many not to vote for him.
Seattle Mariners pitcher Ryan Franklin has received a 10-day suspension under the terms of Major League Baseball's steroids policy.
A day after baseball announced that Baltimore first baseman Rafael Palmeiro had failed his test, Franklin became the eighth player to receive a suspension under MLB's more stringent drug policy, which took effect in March.
The commissioner's office announced the suspension Tuesday afternoon. A representative from Franklin-Frye-McCann agency, which represents Franklin, said the pitcher would talk to the media after 2 p.m. ET in Detroit.
Franklin, 32, has a career record of 33-46 with a 4.19 ERA in six major-league seasons, all with Seattle. He is 6-11 with a 4.61 ERA in 22 games this season, including 20 starts.
"We are very disappointed to learn this news," Mariners spokesman Tim Hevly said. "But at the direction of Major League Baseball, and, following its rules, we are not able to comment further."
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2122665
A day after baseball announced that Baltimore first baseman Rafael Palmeiro had failed his test, Franklin became the eighth player to receive a suspension under MLB's more stringent drug policy, which took effect in March.
The commissioner's office announced the suspension Tuesday afternoon. A representative from Franklin-Frye-McCann agency, which represents Franklin, said the pitcher would talk to the media after 2 p.m. ET in Detroit.
Franklin, 32, has a career record of 33-46 with a 4.19 ERA in six major-league seasons, all with Seattle. He is 6-11 with a 4.61 ERA in 22 games this season, including 20 starts.
"We are very disappointed to learn this news," Mariners spokesman Tim Hevly said. "But at the direction of Major League Baseball, and, following its rules, we are not able to comment further."
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2122665
Besides 500 Home Runs and 3000 Hits? What more do you want? He's only the 4th player ever to do this. Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Eddie Murray. If 3000-500 isn't enough, then no one should be in.MacNut said:
If it's still not good enough for you, then here is some more stats for you:
He is 17th all-time in RBIs,
He is 35th all-time in Runs scored,
He has a 2.89 Career Batting Average
The only thing against him is he was never on a great team. But the HOF is for individuals, not teams. Before this incident, he was a 1st ballot Hall of Famer. Now, I don't know but I'd like to know how long he's been on a banned substance.
MacNut said:
So What? Would you rather have a guy who leads the league from time-to-time, or a guy who is consistent throughout his career? He had many top 10 years in all though categories.
Batting:
1988-.307-2
1990-.319-3
1991-.322-7
1994-.319-10
1999-.324-10
Home Run (10th in all-time):
1993-37-5
1994-23-10
1995-39-4
1996-39-9
1997-38-6
1998-43-6
1999-47-2
2000-39-8
2001-47-3
2002-43-3
2003-38-5
RBI:
1990-89-8
1995-104-10
1996-142-4
1997-110-10
1998-121-8
1999-148-2
2000-120-10
2001-123-6
2003-112-7
I agree. He's a Hall of Famer all the way. But (ignoring steroids) how can you put Don Mattingly in the Hall and not Rafael Palmeiro? The stats speak for themselves.MacNut said:I will always be bitter until my beloved Donnie Baseball goes into the HOF.
grapes911 said:
Palmeiro is an interesting case because he's been very good for a long time, rather than great for an extended period. Among pitchers, you could put Don Sutton in this category, hardly ever a league leader and often not even the best on his own team, but year in and year out, he was very good. There are several players in the Hall of Fame who were very good for a long time, rather than truly great.
From a pure stats standpoint, he's in. But the numbers have been inflated in the last decade or so, and that has to be taken into account. He's played in several good hitters' parks (Texas, Baltimore) and he's played at a position (1B and DH) with a lot of fine hitters during that time. You can make a good argument that he was never the best player at his position in any year, maybe even not in the top three. That doesn't sound like a Hall of Famer to me. For the sake of comparison, I think Frank Thomas has a much better HoF case than Palmeiro does.
The pundits have been debating about Palmeiro's Hall-worthiness for a couple of years now, but this suspension will probably turn many borderline supporters against him. I think he's got some 'splainin' to do if he wants to get his rep back.