Palmeiro Suspended For Steroid Use

[grapes911]

...but this suspension will probably turn many borderline supporters against him.

How many of those stats are helped by the roids tho. And what about all the others who belong in the hall and are ligit who aren't in yet.

That's why I said "ignoring steroids". I'd have trouble voting for him now.

 

[aloofman]

I agree. He's a Hall of Famer all the way. But (ignoring steroids) how can you put Don Mattingly in the Hall and not Rafael Palmeiro? The stats speak for themselves.

I disagree. As much as I love Mattingly -- I distinctly remember being in awe of him when attending games when the Yankees were in town -- he didn't have enough great years to warrant getting into the Hall. He was dominating for a few years there in the mid-80s and pretty good for several other years. If you compare his career in each year like here:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mattido01.shtml

You'll see that he most often resembled Will Clark and John Olerud, two other players that were great for a little while and then merely good. If Mattingly is a Hall of Famer, then so are Clark and Olerud, along with guys like Norm Cash, Vada Pinson, and Frank Howard.

 

[grapes911]

I disagree. As much as I love Mattingly...

The reason I like Mattingly for the Hall is I feel that he sort of revolutionized his position. I'm a young guy and not a Yankee fan, so I only have a few memories of him playing but I remember him for his defense much more than for his hitting. Only Keith Hernandez had more 1B Gold Gloves than Mattingly. The two of them paved the way for defensive first basemen. Before them, 1B was a spot to stick an old guy who can still hit, but can't run (I guess there are many current first basemen that still fit into the category, but I hope you get what I'm trying to say).

 

[aloofman]

The reason I like Mattingly for the Hall is I feel that he sort of revolutionized his position. I'm a young guy and not a Yankee fan, so I only have a few memories of him playing but I remember him for his defense much more than for his hitting. Only Keith Hernandez had more 1B Gold Gloves than Mattingly. The two of them paved the way for defensive first basemen. Before them, 1B was a spot to stick an old guy who can still hit, but can't run (I guess there are many current first basemen that still fit into the category, but I hope you get what I'm trying to say).

I think Hernandez did far more to change the position than Mattingly did. Although Mattingly was the finest fielding first baseman of his day, that position is one of the least important as far as defense is concerned. Catcher, short, second, and center are much more critical defensive positions.

If defense mattered that much in a first baseman's overall ability, then Hernandez would be in the Hall already, and he hasn't really come very close. And there have been several first baseman who racked up a bunch of gold gloves and aren't remembered as great players, like Vic Power, Wes Parker, Bill White, and George Scott.

Like I said, I've always liked Don Mattingly, but I don't think he was quite good enough.

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

Seattle Mariners pitcher Ryan Franklin has received a 10-day suspension under the terms of Major League Baseball's steroids policy.

A day after baseball announced that Baltimore first baseman Rafael Palmeiro had failed his test, Franklin became the eighth player to receive a suspension under MLB's more stringent drug policy, which took effect in March.

The commissioner's office announced the suspension Tuesday afternoon. A representative from Franklin-Frye-McCann agency, which represents Franklin, said the pitcher would talk to the media after 2 p.m. ET in Detroit.

Franklin, 32, has a career record of 33-46 with a 4.19 ERA in six major-league seasons, all with Seattle. He is 6-11 with a 4.61 ERA in 22 games this season, including 20 starts.

"We are very disappointed to learn this news," Mariners spokesman Tim Hevly said. "But at the direction of Major League Baseball, and, following its rules, we are not able to comment further."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2122665

The players need to be held to a higher standard. I understand privacy issues, but when they place themselves in the spotlight and we as fans pay their salaries - we should know why they were banned in detail. Otherwise the leagues look like the crooks they are.

 

[xsedrinam]

The reason I like Mattingly for the Hall is I feel that he sort of revolutionized his position. I'm a young guy and not a Yankee fan, so I only have a few memories of him playing but I remember him for his defense much more than for his hitting. Only Keith Hernandez had more 1B Gold Gloves than Mattingly. The two of them paved the way for defensive first basemen. Before them, 1B was a spot to stick an old guy who can still hit, but can't run (I guess there are many current first basemen that still fit into the category, but I hope you get what I'm trying to say).

You could argue the "can't run" part, but to name a few, a young Gehrig, Musial, Terry, Killebrew, McCovey, Foxx, Sisler, Murray, Greenberg, are pretty good reasons to take issue with the whole statement regarding first sackers.
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[MacNut]

Source: Palmeiro tested positive for stanozolol
ESPN.com news services

NEW YORK -- Rafael Palmeiro's positive steroid test was for stanozolol, a powerful anabolic steroid that is not available in dietary supplements, according to a newspaper report.

The New York Times, citing a person in baseball with direct knowledge of the sport's drug-testing program, reported on its Web site Tuesday that Palmeiro tested positive for the drug known by the brand name Winstrol, most notably linked to the Olympic sprinter Ben Johnson of Canada.

Johnson was stripped of his 100-meter gold medal in 1988 after testing positive for stanozolol.

"It's a mildly strong to strong steroid," Dr. Gary Wadler, a professor at New York University and an expert in sports doping, told the Times. "Potent is the word I would use."

The person who said that Palmeiro tested positive for stanozolol did not want to be identified because the testing policy prohibits anyone in baseball from disclosing information about test results without authorization, the Times said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2123113