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Panther 7B53

It's pretty snappy I must say. And some people were saying "well Panther is for the G5 really..." heck no!!! Panther was being worked on prior to the entire 970 deal being inked. At it's heart is across the board improvements for just about any Mac (that can run it).

Boot up is faster, finder is a lot faster, even on my original iceBook (firewire iBook), apps launch quicker, overall it's pretty much across the board better. Except the odd Toast just quiting on me after launching everything seems in order. Just a few tweaks and it's golden (master).
 
As an aside, New York City taxis each have a unique identifier on their roof, in the format [1-9][A-Z][1-9][1-9]. So, there's a taxi floating around there somewhere for each of these numbered builds.

I keep hoping that I'll hail, say, taxi 7B65 and find Steve Jobs in the driver's seat saying "You have won a copy of Panther....and one more thing...a dual G5 system!". But no. It's a surly Arab mumbling into his cellphone the whole journey, every time. Bah.
 
Originally posted by mim
That's right, the rest of the world is going to have to wait till the 10th of March next year.

They'll release it right alongside International iTunes :rolleyes:
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perfect! panther on my birthday! march 10th:D
international iTunes should happen very soon. it doesnt matter fr me though, i live in NY.

Originally posted by MacsRgr8
The developer seeds were distributed on more than 2 CD's.
You think there will be a DVD-verision of the installer? Or maybe one DVD, and 3/4 Cd's?
DVD would be gr8! But the CD's are needed aswell....
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one problem is that not all macs have DVD ROM drives. some older imacs and iBooks don't have it.
heck, there's even an eMac with just a CDROM drive.
i would lke that, but it wouldn't be fair.
and also, would it be possible to boot from a DVD to install?
 
How about Bluetooth PC-Card Support in Panther?

Do any of the folks here that got Panther Seeds know anything about that?
Cheers,

Ahmed
 
FTTH

Originally posted by AppleMatt
Assuming I'm wrong and within the last few minutes it's been made available, what connection do you have to download (at least) a gig that fast?

AppleMatt
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FTTH. It works well. You can get close to 100Mb/sec (12.5MB/sec) -- or about 90 seconds to DL a gig.

Sushi
 
Will Panther Pivot? I want portrait dislpay!

It is my sincere hope that somewhere in the Panther code will be the ability to do what Macs could do in the 80's, which is pivot the display screen to portrait. Why this ability was lost going into OS X I do not know. Imagine iMacs that pivot (seems like a no brainer) and convertable powerbooks to tablet, etc.. Any body know the technical reasons why this has been a road block??!
 
Originally posted by slightly
But no. It's a surly Arab mumbling into his cellphone the whole journey, every time. Bah.
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well... that's a bit racist... just cuz steve isn't available to make your dream come true you go and blame it on the taxi driver?! blame it on BILLY!
 
I'm going to get in line at the Michigan Ave. store after work today. Please bring me Easy Cheese and charged 12" PB batteries when you get a chance.
 
Re: Will Xcode & Dev. Tools be finally on the Client Install CD??

Originally posted by AhmedFaisal
This probably has been answered before but does anyone know if Xcode and the other Dev. Tools including the CLI stuff will be finally a part of the Install CD for the Client OS? Since PortsManager will be part of the OS now it would be nice. I do a lot of custom compiles of *nix Software on my machine and I always hated having to DL the Dev. Tools CD.
Cheers,

Ahmed
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Uh... that's been included with the client install since 10.0... If you buy the CDs in the store, there is a sepearete Dev CD. If you buy a new computer the Dev CD is a disk image in your Applications Folder.
 
With everyone saying that Panther is faster than Jaguar, even on some G3s, that made me wonder what the minimum requirements for Panther are?

I was just about to buy Jaguar for my new (second-hand) iMac 333 (some kind of light green color). I had heard that some people were suing because there was no hardware accelleration of graphics, but I don't really care, since I'm just trying to get a development box, so I'll be mostly typing on it.

Anyways, should I wait for Panther, or will it not even run on my machine? Mac OS 8.6 is getting painfull, so I'd like to not wait if Panther is futile.
 
I have a 500DP running on 9 but really want to make the move to OSX with Panther.
Does anyone have advise on whether my system is powerful enough to make the switch, or will it be sluggish? I have a Rage 128 video card, will I need to update that? Thanks for any suggestions.
 
Re: Will Panther Pivot? I want portrait dislpay!

Originally posted by jgp
It is my sincere hope that somewhere in the Panther code will be the ability to do what Macs could do in the 80's, which is pivot the display screen to portrait. Why this ability was lost going into OS X I do not know. Imagine iMacs that pivot (seems like a no brainer) and convertable powerbooks to tablet, etc.. Any body know the technical reasons why this has been a road block??!
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I second this request. I have a 19" LCD display that pivots but to date have not been able to use this feature.
 
Pivot

If you buy a new G5 with a Radeon 9800 Pro video card then you will be able to pivot your monitor because the Radeon 9800 Pro includes "VERSAVISION" display rotation.

Requiring specific video hardware is obviously not as nice or convienent as having software support, but at least it is a functional option.
 
Originally posted by gothamac
I have a 500DP running on 9 but really want to make the move to OSX with Panther.
Does anyone have advise on whether my system is powerful enough to make the switch, or will it be sluggish? I have a Rage 128 video card, will I need to update that? Thanks for any suggestions.
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I've been running Jag on my 500DP since day 1 and have thoroughly enjoyed it. I recently upgraded vid card to a Nvidia GeForce4MX which you can get from OWC for @ $75, but I'm not sure that will make so much of a difference. What I think HAS made a difference was an upgrade to a Maxtor 120G HD 7200 rpm with an 8mb cache. With that on board, my DP 500 actually seems zippier at times than my DP 867, especially at startup.
 
Re: Re: Re: Panther Advertisement?

Originally posted by Juventuz
I can't seem to get Toast 6 to work in Panther. It quits the installation process everytime.
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That's because Panther hasn't been released yet. Likely Toast will need an update before it works... it's doing some system level things (like burning).
 
Originally posted by MarkCollette
With everyone saying that Panther is faster than Jaguar, even on some G3s, that made me wonder what the minimum requirements for Panther are?

I was just about to buy Jaguar for my new (second-hand) iMac 333 (some kind of light green color). I had heard that some people were suing because there was no hardware accelleration of graphics, but I don't really care, since I'm just trying to get a development box, so I'll be mostly typing on it.

Anyways, should I wait for Panther, or will it not even run on my machine? Mac OS 8.6 is getting painfull, so I'd like to not wait if Panther is futile.
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Yup, I've got the dev seed running on a 366 iBook (the graphite one - 1st gen), and dang is it fast. It actually FEELS as fast as my G4 733 running Jag. Obviously that's totally subjective - apps don't open as fast, but the UI is top.

And all this crap about being QE only... my iBook runs exposé without problems, and it doesn't have QE as sure as god made little green apples ;)

So, my advice to you is hang fire for Panther. I can't wait to get it for my G4. Hell, who needs a G5 anyway? :D
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Panther Advertisement?

Originally posted by henryblackman
That's because Panther hasn't been released yet. Likely Toast will need an update before it works... it's doing some system level things (like burning).
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Obviously it hasn't been released yet. The point of beta testing is to see whether apps will work in the new OS, for me Toast is one of the ones not working. I do know of other Panther users that have used Toast and was wondering if one of them may have a patch or might have done something different.
 
Re: Will Xcode & Dev. Tools be finally on the Client Install CD??

Originally posted by AhmedFaisal
This probably has been answered before but does anyone know if Xcode and the other Dev. Tools including the CLI stuff will be finally a part of the Install CD for the Client OS? Since PortsManager will be part of the OS now it would be nice. I do a lot of custom compiles of *nix Software on my machine and I always hated having to DL the Dev. Tools CD.
Cheers,

Ahmed
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Generally they have another CD with dev. tools included in the package. If the computer comes with X, they have it on the Software Restore CDs.
 
Re: Pivot

Originally posted by theRebel
If you buy a new G5 with a Radeon 9800 Pro video card then you will be able to pivot your monitor because the Radeon 9800 Pro includes "VERSAVISION" display rotation.

Requiring specific video hardware is obviously not as nice or convienent as having software support, but at least it is a functional option.
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Are you talking about the retail ATI Radeon 9800 for Mac, or the OEM Apple Radeon 9800? I would imagine the retail card would come with the software necessary to provide display rotation. I question whether G5's with Radeon 9800 OEM would provide the software necessary to switch into portrait view mode. Even if the hardware supports it, you still need software to tell your computer you just rotated the display 90 degrees!

I have read ATI's retail 9800 cards come with software allowing extra features that are not on the OEM version of the 9800 Pro (not portrait view, specifically, but other features).

Well, I have the 9800 ordered in my dual 2.0, so we'll see if portrait view is allowed. Although it may have portrait view capability, if Apple does not incorporate this into the OS X software, I doubt it will be able to function.
 
Originally posted by gothamac
I have a 500DP running on 9 but really want to make the move to OSX with Panther.
Does anyone have advise on whether my system is powerful enough to make the switch, or will it be sluggish? I have a Rage 128 video card, will I need to update that? Thanks for any suggestions.
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Should be fine... I've heard of someone who runs X on a TiBook 400 and is generally pretty happy. The video card should be all right and might even support Quartz Extreme. All you might need is more RAM... if you have less than 256MB upgrade to at least 384MB.
 
Originally posted by ryaxnb
Should be fine... I've heard of someone who runs X on a TiBook 400 and is generally pretty happy. The video card should be all right and might even support Quartz Extreme. All you might need is more RAM... if you have less than 256MB upgrade to at least 384MB.
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No, Rage anything does not support QE. However, it's not that big a deal. A dual 500 should run OSX just fine.
 
For those that don't know, Quartz Extreme requires;

- AGP 2x or higher video card.
- Capable of textures other than the power of two.
- 16MB VRAM minimum, 32MB for full acceleration.

AppleMatt
 
Originally posted by AppleMatt
For those that don't know, Quartz Extreme requires;

- AGP 2x or higher video card.
- Capable of textures other than the power of two.
- 16MB VRAM minimum, 32MB for full acceleration.

AppleMatt
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But of course it's possible to use hacks to get QE to work with PCI graphics cards with less video RAM. Mileage will vary of course, given this is not supported or intended usage.

Quartz in 10.2 brought us something else other than QE though - and that was highly optimised (in relative terms) code. Everything is faster than 10.1 without QE being turned on.

Panther indeed does the same thing. Quartz has been further optimised so speed improvements are seen across all supported machines, but by the speedy nature of QE (and the inability to further optimise something already super-fast) the best improvements will likely be seen on non-QE capable machines.

There is a question that will QE bring speed improvements on non-supported QE installations like it did with Jag?
 
Yeah I wasn't going to mention "PCIExtreme" because of the QuickTime and DVD player problems with it, also confusing it with the official specs.

From what I've read, it's users of old hardware that have experienced the biggest boost with Panther, perhaps because Apple got such a slating for it.

AppleMatt
 
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