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Panther 7B53

Originally posted by AppleMatt
Yeah I wasn't going to mention "PCIExtreme" because of the QuickTime and DVD player problems with it, also confusing it with the official specs.

From what I've read, it's users of old hardware that have experienced the biggest boost with Panther, perhaps because Apple got such a slating for it.

AppleMatt
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Probably ;) I have to say though, I'm really chuffed that Apple keep improving OS X though. Even though they *have* to for whatever reasons ("slow" processors, no processor strategy because of Moto, expensive hardware, customer complaints, need to accelerate acceptance and migration to OS X etc...), I feel that if it was MS developing the OS, we wouldn't see any speed increases at all, we'd need to buy new machines.

All in all, my investment in this hardware (my gorgeous iMac 800 (17") and my iBook 500 and now 700Mhz) seems to get better and better as time goes on - contrary to what happens on the Wintel side of things. Makes me feel that my "switch", 3 years ago, was so definately the right choice.

I've used X on the iBook since 10.0 and the CDs that I was given (luckily) when I made my purchase at the Apple Store somewhere in the LA area; and it was usable (except for no DVD playback) from the start. It just gets better, easier and faster. What OS can meet that claim, despite whatever "slow", or "unusable" starting point they were supposed to have?
 
Re: Re: Pivot

Originally posted by ImAlwaysRight
Are you talking about the retail ATI Radeon 9800 for Mac, or the OEM Apple Radeon 9800? I would imagine the retail card would come with the software necessary to provide display rotation. I question whether G5's with Radeon 9800 OEM would provide the software necessary to switch into portrait view mode. Even if the hardware supports it, you still need software to tell your computer you just rotated the display 90 degrees!

I have read ATI's retail 9800 cards come with software allowing extra features that are not on the OEM version of the 9800 Pro (not portrait view, specifically, but other features).

Well, I have the 9800 ordered in my dual 2.0, so we'll see if portrait view is allowed. Although it may have portrait view capability, if Apple does not incorporate this into the OS X software, I doubt it will be able to function.
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I have the ATI9800 Pro in my MDD PowerMac and it's fantastic. To answer your question the retail card does come with an ATI Displays control app that allows versavission and forcing programs to use AA and AnisotopicFiltering. I have done a lot of reading about the ATI9800 in the last few weeks and the word straight from ATI is that the OEM ATI9800 is not supported and is not planned to be supported by the ATI Diplays App and the OEM version will not have the ability to force AA or have versavision unless Apple rights there own program to do so.

Versavision is pretty cool but it's giving me a crick in my neck on my AppleStudio 17 CRT.:)
 
Re: Re: Re: 10-3

Originally posted by mim
Most places I've been use day/month/year for general use (I've not been to North America). I'm sure the reason for this is purely historical (Roman, eg. the Ides (sp?) of March)
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Ugh, Roman dates...makes my brain hurt just thinking about them (even though I'll have to relearn the system all over again starting the day after tomorrow...).

Anyway, you may be right that we get the day-month-year convention from the Romans. Generally they would write something like "Kal. Sept. 2756 A.U.C." That's probably not exactly right, but you get the idea. :) And, since I think Kal. (Kalends) is the first of the month, the Kalends of September 2756 years Ab Urbe Condita (from the founding of the city [Rome] in 753 B.C.) should be yesterday. Point is, they wrote the day before the month. :)

FWIW
WM
 
Originally posted by henryblackman
I feel that if it was MS developing the OS, we wouldn't see any speed increases at all, we'd need to buy new machines.
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Definitely, all my Windows upgrades have resulted in a faster experience, but I've had to upgrade the machine at the same time. Almost all of Apple's software updates (not just OS, but QuickTime for example) keep getting quicker (or performance and stability updates as Apple put it). Windows just seems to take more resources, years ago I upgraded to WMP7 on PC, and went back to 6.4 the same day, it was terribly slow.

AppleMatt
 
Re: Re: Re: Pivot

Originally posted by MacBandit
I have the ATI9800 Pro in my MDD PowerMac and it's fantastic. To answer your question the retail card does come with an ATI Displays control app that allows versavission and forcing programs to use AA and AnisotopicFiltering. I have done a lot of reading about the ATI9800 in the last few weeks and the word straight from ATI is that the OEM ATI9800 is not supported and is not planned to be supported by the ATI Diplays App and the OEM version will not have the ability to force AA or have versavision unless Apple rights there own program to do so.

Versavision is pretty cool but it's giving me a crick in my neck on my AppleStudio 17 CRT.:)
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Just got my Radeon 9800 Retail today! :) :cool:
Had to wait about 5 weeks for it over here in Holland, but OMG it's worth the wait! What an excellent card. I use it in my Dual 1.25 (FW 800). I had the Radeon 8500, 9000, nVidia GeForce 4 Ti 4600, and finally the Radeon 9800 installed in it.
This is by far, far, far, the best grfx card for the Mac. And a lot cheaper than the GeForce 4 Ti card. No idea why that one is still so expensive.... Sure, it's a good card, but not that gr8. Worse drivers for OS X than ATI, thus performing only slightly better than the Radeon 9000. Also ATi doesn't have problems with MOHAA / SpearHead, as nVidia cards do...
Whatever, I'm so very happy with this one! Had to find a power cable for it... Luckily it came with that Y-shaped cabel, need it.
If you got a fast Mac, and like gaming then this Radeon 9800 is definitely for you! Go ATi!!!
 
Originally posted by henryblackman
I feel that if it was MS developing the OS, we wouldn't see any speed increases at all, we'd need to buy new machines.
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They don't call it Wintel because its a snappy name. ;)

Just wait for Longhorn. They are doing a multi tiered approach for sys requirements where to get the full graphics experience you need X hardware otherwise it throttles down the graphics and some of the services. Rumor has it to get the full blow experience you are going to NEED a graphics card with 128MB of VRAM. God only knows the CPU and RAM requirements.

This is part of the reason I'm going Mac. The hardware ages like a fine wine. Unlike wintel hardware that ages like milk sitting in the middle of Arizona in July.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Pivot

Originally posted by MacsRgr8
Also ATi doesn't have problems with MOHAA / SpearHead, as nVidia cards do...
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Does that extend to Ghost Recon? I'm having shocking performance with that.

I've always complained about nVidia drivers, but GR really did it for me.

AppleMatt
 
Vidoe card to utilize Quartz extreeme

I've searched for this question with out any results.

I have an older G4 400 with a slow video card that does not use Quartz extreme.
If I upgrade the video card will it make my machine faster with Quartz taking on the load of graphics?

Is there a link on this discussion?

thanks

Jul
 
Re: Vidoe card to utilize Quartz extreeme

Originally posted by julzmon
I've searched for this question with out any results.

I have an older G4 400 with a slow video card that does not use Quartz extreme.
If I upgrade the video card will it make my machine faster with Quartz taking on the load of graphics?

Is there a link on this discussion?

thanks

Jul
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If your machine has an AGP graphics slot then yes QE will make a big difference in overall system GUI performance. If your machine doesn't have an AGP slot then you would have to use the QE hack and from my experience the results are mixed some good some bad.
 
Re: 10-3

Originally posted by fatfish
Also nobody here refers to the 11-9 incident.
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I don't know about in the UK, but here in NZ most of the coverage of that event came from CNN, which of course is American. Once you hear the phrase "9/11" enough, you don't even think about what you're saying

Besides, it was in the morning of 12/9 :p
 
quartz extreme

In the latest buildes including 7b53 quartz extreme does not work on my retail geforce 4mx 32mb agp card. It is very disapointing and panther does not work well on my computer without it. I hope apple does not plan to refuse us quartz extreme just because we upgraded instead of buying a new mac.
 
Re: Re: 10-3

Originally posted by Nermal
I don't know about in the UK, but here in NZ most of the coverage of that event came from CNN, which of course is American. Once you hear the phrase "9/11" enough, you don't even think about what you're saying
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In the UK all the channels were streaming info, most of it directly from American news bulletins, and the American news channels were exactly the same as you guys had. We refer to it as 9/11, like you say, it's now so commonplace it doesn't mean the 11th of September anymore, it means the day the world trade centers were attacked.

Originally posted by macnor
In the latest buildes including 7b53 quartz extreme does not work on my retail geforce 4mx 32mb agp card. It is very disapointing and panther does not work well on my computer without it. I hope apple does not plan to refuse us quartz extreme just because we upgraded instead of buying a new mac.
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Could you explain that further? It doesn't really make sense to me.

AppleMatt
 
I first installed b44 on my pismo and it worked very well. In the last days I have installed 7b49 two times and 7b53 once. It just does not work well. Scolling does almost not work at all, if i move windows around they get messed up so I can´t see whats inside. If I try to change the screen resolution it goes black and I have to restart. Since all of the trouble had to with the graphics I checked to see if quartz extreme was on (accelerated) and it wasn´t. The geforce 4mx works great in jaguar so this must be bug in panther or apple plans to not support retail graphic cards.
 
I have had the same problems with the panther builds. With my screen becoming screwed up when I try to move a window. I also have had the screen go black on me also. I have a G4 800 Geforce 4MX 32MB. I hope they fix this problem. It has been like this since the first seed.
 
64 bit software

the Virginia Tech supercomputer item is very interesting..

1) YES they are using huge G5 boxes, not special modified
Xserves..

2) Black Cat Linux and Suse Linux were mentioned, not OSX.

3) "Apple jumped.." at the chance to demo 1100 box supercluster
to make the top 500 list...


hmmmm...

let's see developer's conference demo of 64 bit stuff in May..

Some item's for sale in June-July (64 bit Java by MacWorld?)..

and...

Late November full 64 bit products released..apps, OS's and
compilers...

When 64 bit OSX?

When another "Virginia Tech" situation shows up and big Steve
goes for it.

<---is getting his TransMeta proto board for the TM 8000
 
re: changing volume messing up balance setting

Originally posted by fabsgwu
This is the most annoying problem. I really hope they fix it, as it's been with us (and widely known) all through 10.2
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is THAT why my balance goes off center so many times?!? Man i could never pin point WHY it was doing that!! At first it always seem like one of my speakers is dying/dead.
 
Lots of crashes!

I've installed 7B53 on my iBook (800mHz) and while I'm very pleased with the speed increase I'm also surprised by how buggy it still is: lots of application crashes, especially Safari...

Is anybody else experiencing this?
 
Re: Lots of crashes!

Originally posted by danielbaars
I've installed 7B53 on my iBook (800mHz) and while I'm very pleased with the speed increase I'm also surprised by how buggy it still is: lots of application crashes, especially Safari...

Is anybody else experiencing this?
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Well you really can't blame all the application crashes on Panther. The core system of OSX has been changed much more then it was from 10.1 to Jaguar and Jaguar alone broke a lot of programs. I fully expect there to be a lot of application updates coming to fully support the changes made in Panther. Also I wouldn't blame Panther for all the crashes in Safari either as the version of Safari included with Panther is under development and is known to have bugs.
 
Re: Lots of crashes!

Originally posted by danielbaars
I've installed 7B53 on my iBook (800mHz) and while I'm very pleased with the speed increase I'm also surprised by how buggy it still is: lots of application crashes, especially Safari...

Is anybody else experiencing this?
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I have not experienced very many crashes with 7B53.

Did you do an upgrade, archive, or clean install?
 
Re: Re: Lots of crashes!

Originally posted by theRebel
Did you do an upgrade, archive, or clean install?
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I did a clean install...

I wasn't really blaming Panther for anything (yet ;-) ), I guess I got the wrong impression from the posts on this forum: it'll be a little while before Panther is something you can use on your workmachine.

A lot of handy little shareware doesn't work anymore: ASM & FruitMenu for example.

Nonetheless: Panther is a big step forward!
 
Re: Re: Re: Lots of crashes!

Originally posted by danielbaars
I did a clean install...

I wasn't really blaming Panther for anything (yet ;-) ), I guess I got the wrong impression from the posts on this forum: it'll be a little while before Panther is something you can use on your workmachine.

A lot of handy little shareware doesn't work anymore: ASM & FruitMenu for example.

Nonetheless: Panther is a big step forward!
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Most likely those shareware programs will continue not to work until after Panther is released and the programers update there software.
 
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