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good marketing so far apple
Really? The only "marketing" or advertising for Panther that I have seen has come from build updates that Macrumors gives us. If you have other examples, please share.
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Panther by Mid-October?
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Really? The only "marketing" or advertising for Panther that I have seen has come from build updates that Macrumors gives us. If you have other examples, please share.
Just talking speed improvements alone, on my lowly iMac G4 (17") 800Mhz I generally find Dreamweaver to be almost unusable because it's so slow. Menus in particular are dreadful. Almost as bad as Photoshop.
I'd normally blame Carbon, but GraphicConverter is Carbon and doesn't have any of the associated slow downs. Photoshop and Dreamweaver are heavy on their menus though so I guess...
Anyhow my point is that with Panther makes Dreamweaver usable. Menus' are downright snappy. They appear the instant they are clicked on rather than a second (or longer) after. Windows appear immediately and Dreamweaver is suddenly usable.
You personally might find paying for Dreamweaver 2004 a better bet though.
Then by even allowing this to happen, and ensuring the seeds are quick and fast coming means their Marketing department are doing a very good job.
These rumors get into the mainstream press, and without Apple saying a word, the press are generally proclaiming Panther a success (even when it hasn't even been seen yet).
r.e. Labor Day
Ah haaaa...
"And another piece of the puzzle falls into place..."
Personally, I'm up for getting Festivus recognised as a World Day of Fun (feats of strength included).
Who's with me...?
Brother Mugga
PS: I take it the whole ironic 'labor day being a holiday' thing has been done to death over there, yeah?
PPS: I was over in New York once on President's Day (or should that be 'Presidents Day'? or maybe even 'Presidents' Day'? Oh my poor brain...). That single experience told me everything about the differences between our countries. Believe me, you ain't *never* going to see a 'Prime Minister's Day' holiday over here...
Ah haaaa...
"And another piece of the puzzle falls into place..."
Personally, I'm up for getting Festivus recognised as a World Day of Fun (feats of strength included).
Who's with me...?
Brother Mugga
PS: I take it the whole ironic 'labor day being a holiday' thing has been done to death over there, yeah?
PPS: I was over in New York once on President's Day (or should that be 'Presidents Day'? or maybe even 'Presidents' Day'? Oh my poor brain...). That single experience told me everything about the differences between our countries. Believe me, you ain't *never* going to see a 'Prime Minister's Day' holiday over here...
Re: r.e. Labor Day
Personally I'd love to see Prime Minister's Day. Another bank holiday. Damn right!! We don't have enough anyway, bring us into line with "Europe" I cry, just keep the Euros and Cents.
And it should be Presidents Day... unless it's a celebration of the current President. God help us.
Personally I'd love to see Prime Minister's Day. Another bank holiday. Damn right!! We don't have enough anyway, bring us into line with "Europe" I cry, just keep the Euros and Cents.
And it should be Presidents Day... unless it's a celebration of the current President. God help us.
Well that's great to hear Panther should be out before the end of the year. I'm intending on getting a new PB, so I was hoping that I wouldn't then have to go out and but Panther, but with any luck PB's may even come pre-installed!!! (or at least a free upgrade ...)
Or maybe...
Maybe we could call it "Campbell Day"?
Oh no, hang on...make that "Mandelson Day..."
Brother Mugga
Maybe we could call it "Campbell Day"?
Oh no, hang on...make that "Mandelson Day..."
Brother Mugga
I find exactly the same thing on my dual 450 with Jaguar & 512mb ram (graphics card has been updated to do quartz extreme). I just wonder how much ram you have, and if thats our problem? (i.e do you need a gig to run OSX and Dreamweaver?) Its all faster under OS9 anyway, but I don't want to go there.
IIcx
Anyone know if panther will run on my IIcx
Only joking guys!!!
What I would be intrested in, is any improvements to the address book, I would love to be able to copy:- Name, Company name and address and paste it into a letter in one go, just like any other address book I have ever used.
Anyone know if panther will run on my IIcx
Only joking guys!!!
What I would be intrested in, is any improvements to the address book, I would love to be able to copy:- Name, Company name and address and paste it into a letter in one go, just like any other address book I have ever used.
Re: r.e. Labor Day
Ah, but Brother Mugga, we do celebrate the Queen's Birthday, and Jubilee, and what not.
And we also have those Bank Holidays, because everyone knows how overworked and stressed our poor financial industry slaves get
Ah, but Brother Mugga, we do celebrate the Queen's Birthday, and Jubilee, and what not.
And we also have those Bank Holidays, because everyone knows how overworked and stressed our poor financial industry slaves get
Preview
My most anticipated improvement in 10.3: Preview.
If it can open both PDF, PS, copy and search text, and be able to print just odd or even pages, that would be about perfect for me. The program PostView is a pretty good app, but it has a few cosmetic issues that I'd like to see be resolved, and then THAT would be the best PS (and probably PDF) reader that I've used.
It certainly would be nice if those people who order new PowerMacs get some type of deal to upgrade to 10.3, instead of having to shell out another $129. Or maybe an upgrade program for those of us who bought OS X beta, 10.0, 10.1, and 10.2 in the box. Now THAT would be nice to have, instead of charging everyone $129. But, perhaps not having the opportunity to buy a new computer at this time will work out for the best for me. I can either wait until Panther is already on the new PowerMacs, and perhaps I'll end up with Version B of the G5 PM.
And if Panther does make it by mid-October, well, great for them, but I'm not holding my breath. Jaguar still feels quite fresh to me, and there are still many avenues (development-wise) I'd like to research. Considering OS 7 sat around for about what....six or seven years before Mac OS 8 came out, I'd say all of these changes to OS X are pretty drastic. OS 10.2 probably should have been OS XI.
My most anticipated improvement in 10.3: Preview.
If it can open both PDF, PS, copy and search text, and be able to print just odd or even pages, that would be about perfect for me. The program PostView is a pretty good app, but it has a few cosmetic issues that I'd like to see be resolved, and then THAT would be the best PS (and probably PDF) reader that I've used.
It certainly would be nice if those people who order new PowerMacs get some type of deal to upgrade to 10.3, instead of having to shell out another $129. Or maybe an upgrade program for those of us who bought OS X beta, 10.0, 10.1, and 10.2 in the box.
Now THAT would be nice to have, instead of charging everyone $129. But, perhaps not having the opportunity to buy a new computer at this time will work out for the best for me. I can either wait until Panther is already on the new PowerMacs, and perhaps I'll end up with Version B of the G5 PM.And if Panther does make it by mid-October, well, great for them, but I'm not holding my breath. Jaguar still feels quite fresh to me, and there are still many avenues (development-wise) I'd like to research. Considering OS 7 sat around for about what....six or seven years before Mac OS 8 came out, I'd say all of these changes to OS X are pretty drastic. OS 10.2 probably should have been OS XI.
Re: Re: panther???
Absolutely not true! I write this post from My iBook (G3) running Panther (and it is faster than Jaguar)!
Absolutely not true! I write this post from My iBook (G3) running Panther (and it is faster than Jaguar)!
Re: Preview
Preview is like a totally different app. It's so fast you'd not believe it. While in Jaguar on my old iMac 400 if I opened a 100 page PDF and scrolled through it it would be like trying to run through cement... Now each page renders swiftly and beautifully, never a pause. Amazing stuff. I really can believe Jobs when he said it was the fastest PDF viewer in the world. Even on my old 400mhz machine...
I can confirm that you can copy and search text, and just print odd or even pages. I've not tried opening a PS file with it though. That would be very handy.
- Jimmni
Preview is like a totally different app. It's so fast you'd not believe it. While in Jaguar on my old iMac 400 if I opened a 100 page PDF and scrolled through it it would be like trying to run through cement... Now each page renders swiftly and beautifully, never a pause. Amazing stuff. I really can believe Jobs when he said it was the fastest PDF viewer in the world. Even on my old 400mhz machine...
I can confirm that you can copy and search text, and just print odd or even pages. I've not tried opening a PS file with it though. That would be very handy.
- Jimmni
1) Development Phases:
Alpha: Features still being added. under heavy development.
Beta: All major features added, however, if possible new features could be added as so long as it doesn't cause issues
RC (Release Candidate): Feature freeze; no new features are to be added, purely bug fixing and hunting down and show stoppers.
2) IIRC, Finder and a large number of parts have been re-written in Cocoa rather than relying on Carbon.
3) New compiler, GCC, which includes new scheduling code etc should produce better code for the PPC.
Alpha: Features still being added. under heavy development.
Beta: All major features added, however, if possible new features could be added as so long as it doesn't cause issues
RC (Release Candidate): Feature freeze; no new features are to be added, purely bug fixing and hunting down and show stoppers.
2) IIRC, Finder and a large number of parts have been re-written in Cocoa rather than relying on Carbon.
3) New compiler, GCC, which includes new scheduling code etc should produce better code for the PPC.
I've still got three of those coupons from my eMac purchase, what do you actually use them for? sorry, I am a new Mac user (moved from x86/FreeBSD) and was trying to work out what they were there for. Free upgrades? a signed picture of Steve Jobs in the nuddy? whats the story?
What version of Dreamweaver are you running? I am running Dreamweaver MX (with the 6.1 Update) and I find the performance usable.
btw, I have 512MB installed, and the machine is an eMac.
One I would love to see a speed improvement in is Corel Graphics Suite. Painter 8 is rocket fast by Corel Draw, for example, tends to be a bit slugish. Are there an Corel Draw 11/Panther users out there who can confirm/deny whether there is a responsiveness improvement?
I'm running a iMac 800 (17") with 768MB of RAM with Dreamweaver MX 6.1. Under 10.2.6 (and 10.2.7) I find it simply too slow. Barely usable; at least in terms of the UI responsiveness. I open and close windows a lot, because I'm obsessionally tidy I guess, and find that it's incredibly slow in this (especially the Site Files window).
Panther does relieve these woes, which leads me to believe it's X not Dreamweaver. Dreamweaver is still slow though. It's a lot faster on my 500Mhz P3 at work (with WinXP). It's a shame even Macromedia seem to make sure it's OK on Win and get away with murder with Mac.
jayscheuerle
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Re: Re: Re: panther???
Make that 2. The original G3 Powerbook.
It's made-out to be a non-built-in USB thing.
Can anyone fathom why Apple would purposely disable Panther for these machines?
Is Panther built-in USB centric?
By most accounts, Panther is faster across the board, so these machines would gain as well.
If this is another heavy-handed attempt by Apple to get users of older hardware to buy something new, they'll be disappointed. As someone whose beige box works fine for what it's used for (but would really like fast user switching), I'd be much more likely to buy a low-end G4 on ebay than something directly from Apple. What most likely will happen is that I'll just end up not buying Panther, so Apple has not only not gained a hardware buyer, but lost a software buyer as well.
Personally, I'm counting on someone coming up with a hack that lets Panther install on these machines. Putting the lack of support on the boxes clearly puts installing Panther in the "at your own risk" category, so Apple's covering its backside, but I can't help but feel that disabling any type of install for these machines is Apples response to the class-action suit brought up against them by beige-box owners and others... - j
Make that 2. The original G3 Powerbook.
It's made-out to be a non-built-in USB thing.
Can anyone fathom why Apple would purposely disable Panther for these machines?
Is Panther built-in USB centric?
By most accounts, Panther is faster across the board, so these machines would gain as well.
If this is another heavy-handed attempt by Apple to get users of older hardware to buy something new, they'll be disappointed. As someone whose beige box works fine for what it's used for (but would really like fast user switching), I'd be much more likely to buy a low-end G4 on ebay than something directly from Apple. What most likely will happen is that I'll just end up not buying Panther, so Apple has not only not gained a hardware buyer, but lost a software buyer as well.
Personally, I'm counting on someone coming up with a hack that lets Panther install on these machines. Putting the lack of support on the boxes clearly puts installing Panther in the "at your own risk" category, so Apple's covering its backside, but I can't help but feel that disabling any type of install for these machines is Apples response to the class-action suit brought up against them by beige-box owners and others... - j
Re: Will this finally be the end of OS9?
http://www.os9forever.com/
Most of my customers still use it. My mother who I convinced to switch to the Mac still uses it, and I'm not about to try and convince to her Mac OS X is better. If Apple offered free software upgrades to anyone who updated to Mac OS X from Mac OS 9, that would be the thing that really help the switch to Mac OS X. Nothing less than that will.
Despite my having been using Mac OS X since the beginning I would be honest and say, not! Mac OS 9 has been all most people needed in their computer, and they aren't looking for new features. There are even sites that go so far as to say:
http://www.os9forever.com/
Most of my customers still use it. My mother who I convinced to switch to the Mac still uses it, and I'm not about to try and convince to her Mac OS X is better. If Apple offered free software upgrades to anyone who updated to Mac OS X from Mac OS 9, that would be the thing that really help the switch to Mac OS X. Nothing less than that will.