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MIP

Exposé sounds great, but it doesn't look like a replacement for windowshade, nor is the ability to minimize to the dock. Maybe it's just my line of work or how I interact with the UI, but I find that I frequently used windowshade to hide the front window to peek briefly at something in another window when I didn't want to bring any other window forward. It was a great way to view another window then return to your primary window and a very efficient approach.

Exactly--a very important function! But I wasn't talking about minimizing to the Dock. MIP = Minimize in Place, and THAT--if it makes it into Panther--is like windowshade only better. The window shrinks to a useful thumbnail instead of a needlessly-wide bar, but stays right where you are instead of going to the Dock. Betas of Jaguar had this. Bring it back please!!
 
There were lots of Jaguar shots leaked. Apple didn't go after them all. And they were real.
 
Originally posted by nagromme
There were lots of Jaguar shots leaked. Apple didn't go after them all. And they were real.

The only shots I remember of Jaguar were those by Thinksecret et al. after the official demonstration of Jaguar - ie, from the public developer seed, which wouldn't be restricted in the same way. I may just be forgetting some from before that though, I just can't remember :)
 
Originally posted by BKMaggert
There is now a line over the icon of the front most app. Nice little touch.

In the Exposé screenshot, the frontmost application is Safari. There is no line over it. I think the line over the icon is either because it's a sloppy, non-Apple icon, or an artifact of the weird mosaic censoring.
 
The New Finder Window

The "Gear Menu" in the brushed metal Finder window screenshot bothers me a little. It has the same icon used in iTunes for a smart playlist. One would think that the icon would be used for smart folders in the Finder, but the menu has no smart folder or folder action options. I'm not saying this proves the screenshots fake, just that it seems a little inconsistent, coming from a company that prides itself on a consistent user interface.

Second, Finder windows have never had menus. Yes, I know you can command-click on the window title to bring up a path menu, or add a path menu to the toolbar. I don't really consider a shortcut for navigating the file structure the same as a menu for manipulating selected files and folders. These types of menus are always at the top of the screen. This "Gear Menu" is a little too close to having "File," "Edit," etc. across the top of a window, a la M$ Windows.
 
Originally posted by rogueimage
The "Gear Menu" in the brushed metal Finder window screenshot bothers me a little. It has the same icon used in iTunes for a smart playlist. One would think that the icon would be used for smart folders in the Finder, but the menu has no smart folder or folder action options. I'm not saying this proves the screenshots fake, just that it seems a little inconsistent, coming from a company that prides itself on a consistent user interface.

Second, Finder windows have never had menus. Yes, I know you can command-click on the window title to bring up a path menu, or add a path menu to the toolbar. I don't really consider a shortcut for navigating the file structure the same as a menu for manipulating selected files and folders. These types of menus are always at the top of the screen. This "Gear Menu" is a little too close to having "File," "Edit," etc. across the top of a window, a la M$ Windows.
Apple isn't necessarily consistent between applications, though. And the "Gear" is more like an "Options" thing than a "Smart ______" thing.

If anything the "Gear Menu" proves these are real. There's no way to fake that without Photoshopping, and these weren't Photoshopped.

The menu's incredibly useful IMHO. I like the idea of sticking "Get Info" and the returned color labels right there. It's there with out being in the way.
 
Originally posted by pyrotoaster
If anything the "Gear Menu" proves these are real. There's no way to fake that without Photoshopping, and these weren't Photoshopped.

The menu's incredibly useful IMHO. I like the idea of sticking "Get Info" and the returned color labels right there. It's there with out being in the way.

I think they are real. It just surprised me, that's all. I use contextual menus to get to the same things in that menu, and the normal top o' the screen menus are another option. I suppose from the standpoint of more options for the user, it's a good thing, and I imagine said menu will be an option under "Customize Toolbar." If only Apple would ship a two-button mouse, this menu would always be at a user's fingertips, and an extra menu would be unnecessary. Sigh.

Edit: If I say "menu" twice in this sentence, I continue to average one use of the word "menu" per sentence. Word.
 
Originally posted by Manuel Moreno
Look through Dell Online...
yeah great panthers leaks...

I don't know what this proved. We're dealing with a JPEG here, that was likely saved at a compression rate that allowed some loss of data. Plus, you've obviously expanded the image and increased the sharpness, thus adding artifacts.
 
Ye olde mouse complaint

Originally posted by rogueimage
If only Apple would ship a two-button mouse, this menu would always be at a user's fingertips, and an extra menu would be unnecessary.
Not that big a deal for many systems, considering their wide availability. Ticks me off (low-impact, and less than using Windows does) whenever I'm on ye trusty powerBook though. I refuse to be one of those people who carries a mouse with me ... the whole purpose of a laptop is to be self-contained, after all.

Especially for X apps ... two button mice can emulate three button mice pretty easily (simultaneous == middle), but it gets really annoying with only one.

-Richard
 
folder actions aren't new...

Jaguar already has folder actions, (see my screen grab) they just aren't pre-installed. To install, open your applescript folder and double click 'script menu.menu' which installs a script menu. Obviously though, there is no contextual menu, just a main menu item.

There are things that bother me with the screenshots:
1. The folder actions menu has 'disable folder actions' but no 'enable folder actions'
2. The inconsistency of font size in the 'Activity Monitor', the missing process name at ID 799, and the process ID of 0. (Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought process IDs started at 1) and why would you use the mail icon to represent the export option?

Also, someone said that Europeans change the commas and points around. I've never seen it. The decimal system came from Europe and they put the point where everyone else put the point.
 
A quick Google search provided the following...

"Decimal point or decimal sign?

One of the confusions between English and many other European languages is that English uses a decimal point, or dot, on the line to mark the numerator: (6.456). Norwegian and many other European languages use a comma: (6,456). ISO's Council has now ruled on this, which settles the matter as far as ISO documents are concerned:

In documents in the English language, a dot is often used instead of a comma. If a dot is used, it should be on the line. In accordance with an ISO Council decision, the decimal sign is a comma in all ISO documents. ISO 31-0:1992 (E), Note 17. (My stress)


On the other hand, most leading English dictionaries such as the Oxford English Dictionary or Webster's, like the calculator on your desk, make it clear that in other British and American English contexts, the decimal point is the normal decimal marker in English. This is of course why the dot is called the decimal point in these dictionaries, rather than decimal sign.


You are likely to confuse your readers if you are tempted to adopt the ISO standard for non-ISO documents in English. It would be reasonable to guess that 90% of native English readers have never heard of the Council decision in ISO 31-0 and using a comma as a decimal marker in English is probably going to be interpreted as a thousand marker. If you are quoting a unit price of NOK 6,456 per kilo, this may not result in an order as most English or American contractors will probably understand this as: six thousand four hundred and fifty six kroner a kilo.



Thousand marker

ISO 31-0 also considers the confusion of a price in an English document written with a thousand marker as it sometimes is in Norwegian. For example, NOK 145.650. Does this mean NOK 145 or NOK 145 650? (An English law court would probably decide that the price is NOK 145, so be careful, this could be a very expensive mistake.) ISO 31-0 states that such groups of digits are to be separated by a space, never by comma or point (ISO 31-0, Part 3).
A space is also used in English and Norwegian as a thousand marker. However, as I just mentioned with the price of NOK 6,456 it is also common in English to use commas to mark thousands."
 
Re: folder actions aren't new...

Originally posted by scan300
Jaguar already has folder actions, (see my screen grab) they just aren't pre-installed. To install, open your applescript folder and double click 'script menu.menu' which installs a script menu. Obviously though, there is no contextual menu, just a main menu item.

There are things that bother me with the screenshots:
1. The folder actions menu has 'disable folder actions' but no 'enable folder actions'
2. The inconsistency of font size in the 'Activity Monitor', the missing process name at ID 799, and the process ID of 0. (Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought process IDs started at 1) and why would you use the mail icon to represent the export option?

Also, someone said that Europeans change the commas and points around. I've never seen it. The decimal system came from Europe and they put the point where everyone else put the point.

The French for example use commas for decimal points. I don't see what the big deal is about this. There are plenty of countries in Europe that do this.
 
I don't know what this proved. We're dealing with a JPEG here, that was likely saved at a compression rate that allowed some loss of data. Plus, you've obviously expanded the image and increased the sharpness, thus adding artifacts.
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I'm smarter than you

aren't two folders with the names "Look trough" and "DellOnline.doc" overlayed by a contextual menu on folder.jpg?!? :eek:

If you're so smart why don't open your photoshop...
 
Mac OS X -- A Work In Progress

I've started to think of Mac OS X as a work in progress, rather than something that is "lickable" and will forever remain so. This might bug a lot of people, and it bugs me too, sometimes. But I remember the long, slow transition from System 6 to Mac OS 9, which was basically the same user interface, but being constantly refined and updated.

Apple sometimes finds themselves in a design cul-de-sac, and sometimes finds a real user interface winner (and sometimes takes that winner and throws it out the window for no reason that I can comprehend).

Certainly Panther, in the screen shots we see here is a move away from Jaguar. Whether it is for the better or for the worse, I think is not for us to tell from these screen shots. From my understanding, Panther has a ways to go, and next week is just a sneak peek for developers. I expect a lot of refinement to take place between Monday and September.

It is interesting to watch these snapshots in the development process, though. I'm interested in seeing how much of this makes its way into the Golden Master of Panther and how much is yet to be seen.
 
Originally posted by Manuel Moreno
aren't two folders with the names "Look trough" and "DellOnline.doc" overlayed by a contextual menu on folder.jpg?!? :eek:

If you're so smart why don't open your photoshop...
Yeah, I think you may have something here....are we being had?

How will we find the answer...until Monday?!?

Time to spend countless hours investigating it to pass the time ;)

Seriously, that is a little bit disturbing though.
 
Re: Re: folder actions aren't new...

Originally posted by holmesf
The French for example use commas for decimal points. I don't see what the big deal is about this. There are plenty of countries in Europe that do this.
It's not a big deal that there are two styles. It's a potential big deal that the single comma-instead-of-period separator in the column of numbers in the Panther screenshot could be evidence that it isn't a real screenshot (because one would presume that a given Mac system would be set one way or the other, so all numbers should be one style or all number should be the other style). Of course, the comma could also be evidence of a bug in the new Activity Monitor.
 
Regarding 'Themes' I am guessing there will be at least two...a toned down more whitish-aqua like theme (for those of us with the LCD iMacs and eMacs and a brushed metal-ish theme for those of us who will be buying the new metal-ish G5's being released soon...
 
The Folder dialogue boxes with repeats of the functions in the pop out box aren't very Mac at all.

Monday's demo will be spot on and genuine.
 
Is Apple attempting to confuse us?

In the screenshot of the Activity viewer:
Does anyone know what Process ID 0: kernel_task is? I'm only aware that the first process is always PID 1: /sbin/init

The example of the finder shows a find window with home as the default search destination, even though the finder is showing the root folder.

The list of volumes in this new fangled finder shows the icon of a disk image file amongst the list of volumes. Not a mounted disk image. Does that mean that a file can be a volume?

The DVD player controls have no 'disclose widget' to open the extra controls drawer.

The iChat video preference panel can be maximized but not minimised. It can be resized but there is no window resizing handle. Do they plan to have video conferencing available only while you are adjusting your preferences? Will it not be possible to adjust the microphone gain of the device; it seems to show audio input monitoring, but no input adjustment. (Feedback city).

Exposé preference panel has a maximise button. Do they mean that this preference panel will be the first and only resizable preference panel?

What happened to colorsync, ink, login items. Where will all the other internet config items go now that .Mac has replaced the internet preference pane.

Is Apple trying to confuse us, is this a very sloppy early build or is it more likely a fake?
 
Originally posted by rockman2023
Eh?
What I meant was that Quicktime 6.4 still needs to be released. WHY would they skip a .x release.

Then where are OS 8.7, 8.8 and 8.9? Or 9.3-9.9? You don't have to use every number. Apple went from 7.1 to 7.5, and they went from 6.0.8 to 7.0. So there doesn't have to be a QuickTime 6.4.
 
Originally posted by pyrotoaster
The screen shots are real. Period.

What makes everyone so sure they're real? MacRumors seems sure, a lot of you guys seem sure... with so many points to quibble, why are people so adamant that they're real? What do you people know that we don't?

- Jimmni :)
 
I used

Originally posted by Manuel Moreno
aren't two folders with the names "Look trough" and "DellOnline.doc" overlayed by a contextual menu on folder.jpg?!? :eek:

If you're so smart why don't open your photoshop...

I used COMMAND-OPTION + and zoomed in on it having ZOOM turned on in Universal Access. I can see the same thing as you however I don't understand your point. Are you implying that the person who provided these screenshots is a DELL employee?
 
Re: Is Apple attempting to confuse us?

Originally posted by scan300
In the screenshot of the Activity viewer:
Does anyone know what Process ID 0: kernel_task is? I'm only aware that the first process is always PID 1: /sbin/init
That's correct. The first process is init, pid 1. I suspect that kernel_task is a catch-all of some kind, combining all threads of a certain type. For example, it could represent all of the zombie processes (those that have lost their parent process). To find out, someone with the software could select kenel_task, click the Quit Process icon, and see what part of the system fails!
 
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