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Originally posted by Wonder Boy
I'll be the first to rain on everyone's pareade. I won't be getting panther until they release 10.3.1, even if that means gettting it at xmas. After the trouble im having with my ibook battery(decalred dead by apple people, and still no word on a replacment) the 10.2.8 trouble, and my friends logic board dying after 2 months, i cant justify getting something brand new right away.
You've got every right to be wary of a new OS. However, whether you buy it when it is released or a few months later won't make a difference: you still have to shell the dough. So you could buy it when it is released and have a go. And if you are not happy with it, revert to Jaguar until the new OS is good enough for you... (or, I guess, you could even partition your disk, couldn't you?)

Oh well...
 
Re: ROAR

Originally posted by obeygiant
I'll bet you Roy Horn doesn't want a Panther for Christmas.

wow. so wrong...yet so funny. i hate things like that. here the man is in critical condition, and i'm laughing about him not wanting the next mac upgrade...

oh well. at least we know he might not be turned off from later updates since he has said many times "don't kill the cat."
 
Re: New Reliable Report (#4?)

Originally posted by pkradd
Reliable? We've been told that Panther went GM last Tuesday.
Besides the reliable item, even Golden Masters have been known to slip. Policy probably varies between companies, but a GM often means no changes unless someone identifies a showstopper bug (as opposed to all those simply annoying bugs) -- kind of like that 10.2.8 thing. In the end, you can often end up with multiple GMs. I guess the real GM is the one that goes out for duplication.

(PS. My machine froze when upgrading yesterday from 10.2.7 to 10.2.8. I let my monitor go to sleep; this seems to cause problems.)
 
Originally posted by NicoMan
You've got every right to be wary of a new OS. However, whether you buy it when it is released or a few months later won't make a difference: you still have to shell the dough. So you could buy it when it is released and have a go. And if you are not happy with it, revert to Jaguar until the new OS is good enough for you... (or, I guess, you could even partition your disk, couldn't you?)

Oh well...

very valid point. i guess i would relate this to the origianl X release. I used 10.0.0 at work, so i knew first hand that it was not stable enough (for me) to purchse. Actually when 10.1 came out, i still felt that it didnt warrent 130$. i still thought there could be improvements.

i think apple had grown and gotten better concerning fixing bugs and glitches then it was back when 10.0 was released. I will still buy panther, proabably at .3.1. i just dont think any harm or frustartion can come out of waiting. i dont NEED panther. i can make due withougt it. i just want something more stable than an initial release, no matter how solid people say it is.
 
Re: Panther to be Released in Last Week of October

Originally posted by Macrumors
Meanwhile, Apple continues work on Mac OS X and has reportedly shifted build numbers (7B86->7C) with the most recent known internal builds up to 7C02. (The shift from 7B to 7C likely reflects the completion of 10.3 and 7C builds would presumably be rolled into the next interim update - 10.3.1?)

Need some clarification. I thought:

B85--> client
B86 --> server

Is there a separate client build that's also B86? No biggee. Just curious.
 
Originally posted by NicoMan
That's exactly how it should work, for all who are wondering.

One thing I'm not so sure about: I don't remember Apple saying that G5 owners would get a special upgrade path.
Anyone?

No, they didn't. There seems to be a number of people who think all G5 owners should get a free upgrade. I don't know why they think that. Why do G5 owners deserve special treatment?

Apple's policy is typically 30 days and it should be the same for everyone.
 
Originally posted by hayesk
No, they didn't. There seems to be a number of people who think all G5 owners should get a free upgrade. I don't know why they think that. Why do G5 owners deserve special treatment?

Apple's policy is typically 30 days and it should be the same for everyone.

I agree. Any purchases on or after October 1st would be a logical beginning date, but until we hear from Apple officially it's all just speculation. However, if Panther is indeed coming the last week of this month, we should be hearing something within the next few days I would certainly think.
 
10.2.8 is here...again

On the apple site, they have 10.2.8 available for download again, and a patch if you downloaded it previously..
 
yes!!!

Of course it's really great to have such a superb release soon, It's also been a long time since apple told us about it and I tell my wife "If not this week, sure the next one" ... god! now she doesnt believe ;) ...

I got this from a shop near home... it's all I can show my friends about a Panther :(
 

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Apple need to slow down with OSX releases. They cannot expect consumers to shell out $199 (Canadian) every year.

Please don't say that you don't have to upgrade because you do, really - unless you plan not to install any new software. New software will require 10.3...

I'm really looking forward to 10.3, it looks really good.

Please, ppl be realistic, just because Apple messed up with 10.2.8, doesn't mean OSX 10.3 will be a mess... 10.2.8 was a rare event.
 
Free upgrade

I just got my Dual G5 about 3 days ago and the store told me if they release pantherwithin the next 30 days the update should be free using the software coupons that came with the machine that say mac os x 10.2
 
Originally posted by robotrenegade
Can't wait for 10.3. This update looks hot.
hot? like attractive?:p something odd to say about an OS;)

if you bought you powermac G5 when they were announced or just got it a few days ago, i doubt that you can get panther for free.it's just like me hoping that i can get panther for free since i bought my iMac 5 years ago:rolleyes:

also, most of the people, keywords there being most of the people, who can afford to buy a 2000 dollar+ computer probably don't have a lot of money woes.

you know i'll be at the palisades store for the event.:) also, i hope to have a good time:) maybe i can get there early and be first to buy panther!
My Checklist
1) Charge iPod
2)Find money to buy Panther
3)Get as much freebies as possible:p
 
Re: 10.2.8 is here...again

Originally posted by Moonlight
On the apple site, they have 10.2.8 available for download again, and a patch if you downloaded it previously..

Yeah that was last friday ;)
 
Originally posted by Stella
Apple need to slow down with OSX releases. They cannot expect consumers to shell out $199 (Canadian) every year.
Agreed! Each update has been worth the money (in my opinion), but the rapid-fire nature of the paid update cycle is a bit overkill.

I've said it before, I'll say it again -- .Mac should come with a subscription to Mac OS updates. If you're a member, you should always have access to the newest operating system.

Just put some DMG images on the iDisk, we can burn the install CDs ourselves!

I'm not a .Mac member, mind you, because I can't justify $100/year for things that I mostly already have. But if they threw in an OS subscription I'd be seriously considering it. If they threw in a Quicktime Pro key and Appleworks/iOffice/whatever on top of the OS, heck, for all of that and the assurance that I'd always have the newest versions... I'd gladly shell out $100/year, perhaps even $120 or $150.

Maybe we're being primed for that... get us to shell out $129/year for OS updates for a couple of years, and then say "Hey, you've all complained about the cost, well if you sign up with .Mac we'll include major OS updates right in there!" All of a sudden, .Mac looks like an incredible bargain for people like me who aren't too impressed with it now.

Boost the subscription numbers quite a bit, I would think.
 
Originally posted by achmafooma
Just put some DMG images on the iDisk, we can burn the install CDs ourselves!

I'm not a .Mac member, mind you, because I can't justify $100/year for things that I mostly already have. But if they threw in an OS subscription I'd be seriously considering it. If they threw in a Quicktime Pro key and Appleworks/iOffice/whatever on top of the OS, heck, for all of that and the assurance that I'd always have the newest versions... I'd gladly shell out $100/year, perhaps even $120 or $150.

Maybe we're being primed for that... get us to shell out $129/year for OS updates for a couple of years, and then say "Hey, you've all complained about the cost, well if you sign up with .Mac we'll include major OS updates right in there!" All of a sudden, .Mac looks like an incredible bargain for people like me who aren't too impressed with it now.

Boost the subscription numbers quite a bit, I would think.

im sorry, but i seriously doubt that. it would make pirating the OS way easier. not only would the people with dial up be phased out, but all of the people might not have CDRW drives, like low end customers, who they are aiming .Mac at now.
 
Originally posted by NicoMan
Is it an issue on 7B85/6? I can't believe a bug like that would make it into the GM.

I'm not sure if it's a bug or what...

But you were able to add your CD burner to the DeviceSupport.dropfile file, and you had yourself a working CD burner... But now they changed a few things, again, and when it's added to the file, it comes up as unsupported....

Check out xlr8yourmac.com

You can still use toast to burn CD's, but it was really nice using it from the Finder....


I'll have to play with it more....

Apple should improve Supported Devices when it comes to CD-Burners....the SM-352B from Samsung worked perfectly with eairler builds.....There is no reason for this drive not to be supported...




CS..........
 
Re: Free upgrade

Originally posted by sugarprobe
I just got my Dual G5 about 3 days ago and the store told me if they release pantherwithin the next 30 days the update should be free using the software coupons that came with the machine that say mac os x 10.2
I'm glad for all those people who might get the free/discounted upgrade with thier special mac os 10.2 coupons. I remember getting these with my old ibook even though I never used them, and never knew what they were for. However, I am a bit dissappointed that I bought a refurbished G4 DP 1.25 from the apple store (9/23) and didn't receive these coupons. I'm sure I didn't get them because the machine was refurbished, but I still shelled out a lot of cash. It would be a great plus if I did get a discount on the upgrade, but I'm really not that upset over it cause my new machine kicks ass!
 
$$ ??

Please gawd just don't be $129. I love the new features, but continue to shake me down THAT much for every software release. Please please please, get it well under $100!.
 
Originally posted by seven5
Free updates will not be offered to anyone except those who have purchased a Mac AFTER they announce teh ship date.

That has been the case with everything....

Exactly. People, I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but what seven5 said is exactly right. Until Apple announces the release date and the conditions under which they may offer free upgrades, nothing is certain. To assume that a purchase today will get a free update is foolishly optimistic. You may (probably will) be disappointed. Which is too bad, because I had to order some PowerBooks for work last Friday (should be here tomorrow), so I probably just missed the deadline. I tried to hold off and wait, but we absolutely had to have them this week.

Last year, they announced Jaguar 39 days before release and said at that time that people purchasing new Macs from then on would get free updates. So far nothing has been announced this year, so nothing can be assumed. If these rumors are indeed correct, then Apple has chosen to have a shorter time between announcement and release. Who knows why, or what the policy will be when they announce?

Those update coupons you get with any new Mac are not for Panther updates -- they are for updates of the shipped OS. It's just to get 10.2.x on CD if you can't download it via SoftwareUpdate.

That said, bring it on! :D I'll be preordering with educational discount for my home machines, and hopefully I can convince my work that Panther is a must upgrade for our new PowerBooks...
 
Originally posted by Wonder Boy
I'll be the first to rain on everyone's pareade. I won't be getting panther until they release 10.3.1, even if that means gettting it at xmas. After the trouble im having with my ibook battery(decalred dead by apple people, and still no word on a replacment) the 10.2.8 trouble, and my friends logic board dying after 2 months, i cant justify getting something brand new right away. I can hear a lot of you now "you're crazy, panther will be great" and "you're stupid for waiting, dont you need expose?" the fact is is that i dont care. believe me i am always the first one into the apple pool, but i have gotten burned a couple times for doing so (my my first mac was replaced twice, and downloading 10.2.6 as soon as it came out). i dont mean to sound like some jaded lover, resenting anyone, but I think i will hold off until apple has proven to me the got their **** together. BTW, im still waiting for my ipod periphs and 2 buttone mouse. :end rant:
It was funny in the other thread about 10.2.8 there are people going 'I won't risk 10.2.8 I'll go straight to Panther'...and how is that magically going to be assured of being anymore perfectly bug free than 10.2.8???? Having said that I'll probably get Panther before the .1 release. It's isn't Rev A hardware after all.

BTW, yes I installed 10.2.8 on both my macs and it is perfectly fine.:D
 
Originally posted by macphoria
It looks like new iBook will ship with Panther.

Maybe not, if it comes out tomorrow :) .
I think we will see some hardware update (iBook or eMac) before end of the month.
New machines may come preloaded with Panther even before official release.
 
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