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Panther to be Released in Last Week of October

Originally posted by seven5
Free updates will not be offered to anyone except those who have purchased a Mac AFTER they announce teh ship date.

That has been the case with everything....
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Someone hasn't been paying attention.

If you buy a Mac after the ship date, it gets the new OS preinstalled.

If you buy a new Mac within 30 days of the ship date. you get the new OS for $20.

That has been true for a long, long time.

Originally posted by Stella
Apple need to slow down with OSX releases. They cannot expect consumers to shell out $199 (Canadian) every year.

Please don't say that you don't have to upgrade because you do, really - unless you plan not to install any new software. New software will require 10.3...
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You could keep using your old software. It'll still work. Heck, even most new software will work on old OS's, leaving you free to pretend that Apple doesn't release a new OS each year.

Originally posted by Freg3000
I'd say it is about half/half. iChat and iCal have only worked on 10.2 plus, as well as Sherlock 3. For third party developers, I think that Quark 6 only works on Jaguar, and smaller software makers, like the guy who makes Acquisition, says that support anything before 10.2 is like support OS 9.
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iChat and iCal are a part of Jaguar. Quark is just Quark.
 
Originally posted by NicoMan
Are you planning on buying a new computer? If not I'm sure the guys at MacBidouille (or HardMac for the english version) might have a workaround for you to be able to use on your iMac. That being said, it will probably be reaaaaal slow...
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Thanks a lot, I am saving my money towards a G5 next summer, and trying to get an eMac for the interim (I am waiting for either a speed bump/price drop or for the refurbs to appear in the Applestore).

Hopefully, 10.3 will make a speed difference on my old G3 and help me if that doesn't happen.

Fingers crossed.
 
Originally posted by 1adonis1
Cant wait for the faster user switching!!.
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Me too, way cool feature. Oh wait, I'm the only one who uses my Mac. Then again, I could assign a user account to each voice inside my head.
 
Tongue in cheek

Do you think it will be 'snappier'? :D

Actually, I'm pretty exhausted being on the bleeding edge of technology....I think I'll wait for a few Panther updates before I jump in....unless, I don't see anybody having problems with it!
 
I've got a good chunk of cash just waiting for an announced ship date for Panther before I buy my 12" PB. I was hoping to get my new laptop and os before Nov. 1st... but I'll take the laptop now if it means getting the OS for $20 later.

I just really want a new mac now...:(
 
Re: panther

Originally posted by yamabushi
I heard an unreliable rumor that Apple may include coupons for free copies of panther with systems sold just before the official release date. Any word on that?
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Yeah, I got the coupons with my refurb iBook. I hope the 30 days isn't up when 10.3 is released. That would suck.
 
Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
im sorry, but i seriously doubt that. it would make pirating the OS way easier. not only would the people with dial up be phased out, but all of the people might not have CDRW drives, like low end customers, who they are aiming .Mac at now.
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I can't argue with the dial up part, but pretty much every newer mac has a CD-RW drive.

But here's an even better idea (to help deal with the piracy argument) -- if your computer is enabled on a .Mac account, major OS updates would show up in software update. This would give Apple a way to control (to some extent) where it ends up and cut down on the piracy problem you mentioned... You could download the PKG file like anything else, but they could rig it so it would only run on computers enabled with your .Mac account.

They could have a machine limit (kinda like the iTunes Music Store, you can enable a limited number of machines)... so if I had a .Mac account, I could enable it on my 2 computers (and then maybe 1 or 2 more, depending on where Apple sets the limit) and get some sequel to Panther automatically on those.

Although, seriously, piracy is just as easy now... I can make a DMG from a real CD in Disk Copy in about the time it would probably take to download the DMG from an iDisk.

I don't honestly think that Apple will do this. It would be really nice though. Even a major discount (50% has been mentioned) would be a nice alternative, and maybe more feasible technologically.

Heck, how about a hybrid plan -- get it for free if you are on broadband, pay a token fee ($20 shipping?) if you need/want the real CDs.
 
What sort of speed increase with Panther do you guys think is realistic? For instance could Panther speed up Xbench and Cinebench results,as opposed to the build in the G5 currently.



Also what do you think the chances are of 3rd party graphics cards drivers being generic within Panther?.The reason I ask is I am waiting for 2 iiyama LCDs to arrive which I need a good card to power,but a 9800 Pro is just shy of a 1000 {NZ},if I can wait before buying one of those and possibly get a 3D card which is what I really need then I can save some cash in the long run :)



Thanx.
 
What's up with all the people suggesting M$-esque licensing schemes? Heck, even including the need for a active .Mac account!
One of the major reasons I switched was to get away from money grubbing M$ and their force-fed licensing, including all product activation. A software vendor has no business asking me about all the hardware I intend to use their binaries on. And I don't like to be treated like a criminal each time I put a new videocard or HDD in my computer. Granted, I hardly ever do such upgrades, but just the whole idea ...

Apple going down that road would push me to the slightly too geeky world of GNU/Linux, BSD or the likes. Or at least too geeky to be used as regular desktop OS for my office staff

M.
 
Sweet geezus!!! I just got my 12" PB 2 days ago (on Saturday). This is sad. I couldn't hold off any longer. :(

Anyway, so what if your new computer came with the 3 coupons? ALL Macs come with those coupons, and so anybody who has bought a Mac with Jaguar could get Panther for a discount since they'll all say Mac OSX 10.2 on the front. This is why I don't think the coupons will work........everybody with Jaguar can get it or cheaper, which isn't exactly what Apple wants, right?

Maybe I misunderstand.......


And for the amount of $$$ I just paid for my machine, I hope to get Panther for free, or for $29. Paying any more is ridiculous for me at this point.
 
Re: Re: Free upgrade

Originally posted by djtet
However, I am a bit dissappointed that I bought a refurbished G4 DP 1.25 from the apple store (9/23) and didn't receive these coupons.
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Sorry all...I double checked and I actually Did receive these coupons! Now if they actually are good for a discount that would be great...and if not, oh well...all is still good!

Question...On Panther, it has a "font book" to manage your fonts. Will this be similar to a font manager such as Extensis Suitcase, Adobe Type Manager, etc.?
 
Count to 100 by 3's!

Stop!

Don't buy yet!

You gotta wait 'til Panther ships to buy your new Mac!

Try and remember the starting lineup of the 1996 Yankees! Count to 1,000 by 3's!

Prevent premature eMaculation!
 
Originally posted by NicoMan
That's exactly how it should work, for all who are wondering.

One thing I'm not so sure about: I don't remember Apple saying that G5 owners would get a special upgrade path.
Anyone?
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They didn't promise.
Several of their reps strongly implied to me that it would be available under the "up to date" plan.
 
So how does this work? From the time the OS is gold master there must be ADC members and such going nuts installing fresh installs and update installs on every conceivable mac from the past to identify bugs in time for software update to handle it on first or second boot of the machine. All while 10.3 is pachaging and distributing.

But they missed the 10.2.8 bug on a range of G4 Powermacs so there must not be an organized hive like folding where certain people "call" certain macs and others fill in the holes.

But Apple misses alot considering they have the whole loop tied up. The thing must be very, very complex.

And how old of a machine can really use the update anyway? One would think they would INCREASE machine support over time.

And where is my headless / pizza box mac? (stackable micro cluster)
 
Re: Re: $$ ??

Originally posted by Wonder Boy
hahahahahaha. you must be new around the Apple scene;)
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My first computer was an Apple IIgs. I have had just under a dozen computers since then, all apple. Off the top of my head, my IIvx, my quadra, my 2 performas, my beige G3, 2 imacs (crt), b&w G3, G4 450, g4 1 ghz, and my 1.8 G5.

I've purchased every OS update from 8 through 10.2 Jaguar.

I'm aware that apple is known for their habits of charging an arm and a leg for each software update, i was just hoping maybe this time around, it could be different. You CAN teach an old dog new tricks.

So, basically, no. not new to the apple scene. idiot.
 
Originally posted by achmafooma
I'm not a .Mac member, mind you, because I can't justify $100/year for things that I mostly already have. But if they threw in an OS subscription I'd be seriously considering it. If they threw in a Quicktime Pro key and Appleworks/iOffice/whatever on top of the OS, heck, for all of that and the assurance that I'd always have the newest versions... I'd gladly shell out $100/year, perhaps even $120 or $150.
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wow so if you got a $130 piece of software for a $100 service, you'd actually pay for the $100 service. I think you have something there. Personally I'm still waiting for my local bank to offer the ol $100-bill-for-your-$20 offer that was so popular in the golden years.

Jeez, some of you people are so bloody cheap. It's simple: if the software is worth $130 to you, buy it. If not, don't. No one is forcing you.

And for those complaining that the newest versions of iCal, Mail, etc. won't run on older OS, get a life. All those are free software. You're expecting free software to run on your old OS? Especially software that's integrated with the OS? Unbelievable.

$130 is WELL WORTH IT. It has a ******** of new cool stuff (I think fast user switching and Expose alone is almost worth it.) It'll make your computer considerably more responsive. Look at it this way: $130 is 35.6 cents per day. I can tell you that Panther is way worth 35.6 cents a day.

sorry for the rant
 
Here we go !

here I am going - get this:
writing this on a 15" AluBook 1,25 GHz with 1 GB RAM... and...
PANTHER !!!
yeah.
B85 GoldMaster
updatet my 10.2.8.
everything i checked out is perfekt
nothing but a charm
greetings from europe
 
It's still theft!

Originally posted by iHack
There are 5-packs for the home, giving you 5 licenses for $199,-. Seems like a good deal. And if you're going to benefit 4-fold, it seems like a fair thing to do to the people working for you to have that benefit.
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Use the "home" package to upgrade the office - that's still a violation!

If you bleed in six colors, why would you steal from Apple?
 
Upgrades for edu buyers

Some wise and insightful individual recently stated that those "coupons" are not good if you bought your machine under a edu deal. Does anyone know if this is true?

Also, clarify for me again--when they announce the ship date, does that mean that new machines will come pre-loaded, or is that only after the actual ship date?????????

:confused: Fused and Condazed :confused:
 
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