Got Epic games installed and ran Creature in the Well with Epic Graphics settings (no pun intended). Ran silky smooth. It is not THAT demanding obviously. But it is x86 program so anyway just thought I would post it down. This is with 2 cores assigned and 3GB of RAM.
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Parallels 16.5 Can Virtualize ARM Windows Natively on M1 Macs With Up to 30% Faster Performance
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ARM Windows has to emulate most everything, as almost no Windows applications are ARM-based. So there goes your performance gains. While we've seen many macOS apps updated for ARM, the same isn't true with Windows. Beyond Microsoft's own products like Office, there's nearly nothing that's written for Windows ARM. It's all x64.
How does Windows' x86 emulation on ARM compare to MacOS's x86 emulation on ARM (Rosetta 2)? If it's comparable, this is still a great way to run Windows applications on ARM Macs.
Sorry - can somebody clarify - so if I just need basic Windows usage that does not rely on hardware acceleration or anything fancy, so lets say like running Word or the Docusign app, does this work for those x86 apps?
Running four relatively niche x86 access control packages under Windows On Arm (Net2, Assa Cliq, SmartAir and Abloy Cliq Connect) All were installed using standalone installers, none required the Windows store.
That said, being beholden to pre-baked dev preview VHDs on this current 'grace and favor' basis just isn't viable long term for anything other than academic/novelty value.
Trying to run proper set up from an ARM ISO, to create a conventional VM, just crashes and burns at the moment and quite how willing MS would be to address that remains to be seen.
This is promising. So basic x86 stuff works for you? Whats the limitation? I dont quite get it.
Give Microsoft a year or so and we will see Windows 10 ARM running natively on Mac via Bootcamp...
Yes. Depending on the version, Word might actually run natively on ARM.
But yes, for stuff that isn't performance-heavy, this is an option.
The limitation is that Microsoft doesn't actually offer Windows on ARM to end users at this point.
After reading through more posts on this thread, I have a question regarding what the best solution might be going forward.
My main purpose for keeping windows around, and (possibly sticking with Intel for a while more) is for legacy gaming.
When Catalina dropped support for 32-bit, there are still a couple of old DOS games in my GOG library I lost access to due to not having been updated to use a 64-bit runtime to start the game. Most of my games have been updated, and all my important software is 64-bit, so from a macOS specific prospective, going forward to an ARM based Mac shouldn't be a problem. I spent some time in VMWare Fusion today testing my older games, and they ALL seem to run without issues on my current configuration under fusion.
Here is my question(s) though:
1. Will Windows for ARM be able to handle these types of games? I know that macOS won't it won't run them on Catalina and above on Intel.
2. Am I better off using bootcamp rather than a VM while I have an Intel Mac to use, or should I go with a PC instead?
3. I, I don't play these particular games a lot, it's more about having access to them IF I want to play them.
Understand that my days of being Apple for everything ended several years ago, even though I prefer the Apple operating systems, at least for a desktop, many of the apps I have settled on today are either cross platform, or have very suitable alternatives for my platform of choice. In all honesty, the only Apple specific feature I can tell you without a doubt that I use today vs stay back on Snow leopard would really be text messaging forwarding. Even though I love the iPad, and iPhone and have used both for quite a few years, there are still certain times I hate touch screens vs a physical keyboard and mouse. So, to conclude, I really feel like I'm finally at the point where I'm having to really take a look at my computing needs / wants, etc and how I want to move forward when the time comes.
My main purpose for keeping windows around, and (possibly sticking with Intel for a while more) is for legacy gaming.
When Catalina dropped support for 32-bit, there are still a couple of old DOS games in my GOG library I lost access to due to not having been updated to use a 64-bit runtime to start the game. Most of my games have been updated, and all my important software is 64-bit, so from a macOS specific prospective, going forward to an ARM based Mac shouldn't be a problem. I spent some time in VMWare Fusion today testing my older games, and they ALL seem to run without issues on my current configuration under fusion.
Here is my question(s) though:
1. Will Windows for ARM be able to handle these types of games? I know that macOS won't it won't run them on Catalina and above on Intel.
2. Am I better off using bootcamp rather than a VM while I have an Intel Mac to use, or should I go with a PC instead?
3. I, I don't play these particular games a lot, it's more about having access to them IF I want to play them.
Understand that my days of being Apple for everything ended several years ago, even though I prefer the Apple operating systems, at least for a desktop, many of the apps I have settled on today are either cross platform, or have very suitable alternatives for my platform of choice. In all honesty, the only Apple specific feature I can tell you without a doubt that I use today vs stay back on Snow leopard would really be text messaging forwarding. Even though I love the iPad, and iPhone and have used both for quite a few years, there are still certain times I hate touch screens vs a physical keyboard and mouse. So, to conclude, I really feel like I'm finally at the point where I'm having to really take a look at my computing needs / wants, etc and how I want to move forward when the time comes.
So today’s Windows apps and games won’t run on the arm Windows version?
I was watching a few YouTube videos and they were showing how pc companies are going arm based Windows. Also nvidia and amd are doing arm chips and leaving the x86 camp.
do this would mean all the current apps would need rewritten for arm Windows?
Big 👍 for the 1Password acquisition. Although I will let safari choose password from time to time 1Password is the proverbial bees knees. I did use Parallels many moons ago and I seriously doubt, for me, I would have a reason to use Parallels.
yes 32-bit x86 stuff I'm using currently works fine - Windows on ARM has had ability to run x86 Windows apps for a while now - it just needs a sturdy enough processor to run them at a decent rate (and the M1 fits that bill).
The limitations are that under Parallels etc on the M1 macs, this is all reliant on preview builds of Windows on ARM, which get updated by MS on a regular basis with newer builds.
There's no guarantee something won't break from one of these preview builds to the next, while it won't necessarily be broken for long, it's something that needs to be factored in if I need uninterrupted access to app A, B or C
ie versus just lugging my old intel MacBook around and running them on that with proper release version of (intel) Windows 7/10 as the VM instead
To this requesting the article, here it is:
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How to Test Windows 10 ARM Insider on M1 Macs using Parallels
How to Test Windows 10 ARM Insider on M1 Macs using Parallels Originally featured on the Microsoft Community, this article has found a new home. Please know, this is not to be used for commercial p…
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gotcha. but could i just register as a developer and get the current release?
Well it would need new CPU hardware that supports virtualization so at the same time while updating to an M1 Apple could up the RAM to 8 GB. Not that I think they are going to do this but it isn't impossible.
I been running the beta on my Mac Mini M1 with Windows 10 Enterprise ARM for awhile now. It has run extremely well, much better than my experience with Intel.
Or you say the new version uses 5/12.5 = 40% of the previous energy, so is 2.5x as efficient. It makes sense.
Yes, but some are already optimised for ARM, some require emulation and some won’t work. But for basic use I found it is already capable.
I just downloaded and installed the latest Parallels 16.5 on my M1 MacBook Air and then downloaded the Insider Preview of Win10 on ARM. And it went very quickly and smooth. I did have to give it one of my extra Windows 10 Pro keys to activate it. (Though it will run without activation, it will limit some personalization features) So far it is running surprisingly well. Feels pretty speedy and snappy. Haven't run many things on it yet, but will test it and see. I am disappointed that there are no ARM versions of the RSAT server admin tools but this is Microsoft's fault. Otherwise, here is a quick Geekbench comparison.
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