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Not gonna pay them $100 a year when I can use UTM to do the same **** for free and better
Better??? Please tell me how it runs "better". Give specifics, not absurd generalizations. I've used Fusion and now Parallels. Tried to install W11 into UTM based upon all the glorious reviews from MR users. It wouldn't even boot after installation. You can keep your UTM garbage. I'm happy to pay for Parallels which runs the software I need very, very well.
 
I wonder if the “release” version runs any faster than the insider preview versions. And I wonder if there’s a way to migrate a preview Win11 install to the release version. I’m running some recent version of Win11 preview on Parallels. Runs ok. Won’t win any races, but isn’t awful.
I haven't noticed any difference in speed most of the time, but sometimes the preview had more bugs.

All to change it to the released version is buy a Windows 11 key, enter it, and turn off the preview program in Windows update and settings.
 
Can some kind soul explain to me whether native x86 Windows apps will work under Windows 11 for ARM? I've been keeping around my old x86 Mac with Parallels because I need to use TurboTax Business - and Intuit - shame on them - never even ported it to x86 macOS, much less the Mx based Macs. Every year around March I get the 'privilege' of buying TT for Business for Windows to do business taxes :-(

I guess what I'm asking is whether Microsoft has Rosetta-like emulation built into its ARM Windows that'll let x86 apps run on it? I don't need performance - entering taxes doesn't take a lot of CPU - but it has to work flawlessly. If it does, maybe I can finally retire my x86 Mac and move my Parallels license over to my Mx mac.
Most x86 apps will run on Windows 11 ARM. I run Quicken for Windows since it still has features that haven’t made it to the Mac version. It runs decently, though recent Quicken updates have slowed it down a bit (opening and closing the app, etc.).
 
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Ding ding. But even running 32bit stuff via something like Crossover has a bad performance penalty due to some bug in Rosetta.

This doesn't appear to have the same issue under Windows ARM.

I hate Microsoft for a multitude of reasons. However, they deserve full credit for their x86/64 -> Arm translation. It's shockingly good.

Only two things that do not work at all are DX12 (Metal is missing the features to allow that) and x86 drivers will not work in ARM Windows (since they're written for a specific architecture and MS's emulator doesn't touch them).
Crossover runs 32-bit software in a layer to make it appear 64-bit. It’s working around a limitation in Rosetta. Apple acquiesces to Codeweavers and occasionally makes changes to Rosetta 2 to enable it to work. But Rosetta was intended to be limited to 64-bit macOS apps. For its intended use, Apple’s solution is more efficient. But kudos to Microsoft for supporting ARM. Microsoft has always been in favor of backward compatibility.
 
Where can I officially download the ISO for it? I have only found it for x64, not ARM64.
You can purchase Windows 11 through Parallels. Or you can still download the ISO from the Microsoft Preview site and enter a valid Windows key after installation.
 
This is pretty nice, but until we see Boot Camp make a come back, modern Macs don’t have the same utility for a lot of people as the old Intel ones.
That's a strong statement. It really requires examples, or it's meaningless. But please don't tell me that an extreme gaming program that only runs with 34,000 cores requires Bootcamp.
 
I know folks want BootCamp, but I really don't understand why. Sure it allows tapping into the full power of the hardware, but that was mostly needed for gaming and other resource intensive applications. Those apps generally don't run or completely suck on Windows ARM!

So my question is, what would BootCamp enable for y'all that can't be done effectively in a VM?
You wouldn’t just have to pony up a hundred bucks for a Parallels license on a yearly basis as Apple would take care of keeping BC updated just like it did for Intel Macs.
 
You can purchase Windows 11 through Parallels. Or you can still download the ISO from the Microsoft Preview site and enter a valid Windows key after installation.
Are you sure about the purchase option? With Parallels, you can download W11 as part of a VM creation. But I don't think Parallels is selling licenses.
 
Anyone on the board know if this will finally work for ArcGIS?
I had good luck using an earlier preview on my M1 Macbook Air with ArcMap but now I just remote in to my work machine using VMWare Horizon or TeamViewer/Moonlight to my Windows computer at home which is now relegated to a dark corner. Been doing it this way on my Intel and Apple Silicon Macs and find it works great. Everything runs natively and pretty easy to get setup. For instances where I need to do GIS work in the field with no internet access I just use QGIS which works great in Rosetta 2 and an Apple Silicon version is already floating around and apparently works well.

I'd like to see Esri officially support macOS and in my last meeting with Esri Canada reps they said it is an often-requested feature so who knows!
 
You wouldn’t just have to pony up a hundred bucks for a Parallels license on a yearly basis as Apple would take care of keeping BC updated just like it did for Intel Macs.
But having to reboot the Mac to use Windows and not be able to easily switch between the Mac and PC side without rebooting is a huge limitation for me. Parallels works so well with W11 ARM that I'm happy to pay for it.
 
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Yes, but you can already do that in Parallels. The question is specifically why you would need to run that software natively rather than in a VM.

Because the VM software have a hard limit on what resources you can allocate to them and they don't give you much to work with. Barely anything above 8 gb of RAM and only a few cores. Said limits do not exist in a dualboot.

Because it's a lot less valuable now.

To you. You don't dualboot we get it. Others do
 
But having to reboot the Mac to use Windows and not be able to easily switch between the Mac and PC side without rebooting is a huge limitation for me. Parallels works so well with W11 ARM that I'm happy to pay for it.

Wow it's such a limitation to wait just 10 seconds to switch OSs.
 
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Wow it's such a limitation to wait just 10 seconds to switch OSs.
The limitation he may be referring to is not being able to run both Windows and macOS apps at the same time.
BC and VMs are for two different purposes, each one has its advantages/disadvantages. One is only better than the other one from the user's perspective, not from a general perspective.
 
Is it even possible to develop Bootcamp to run on Apple Silicon? No conjecture/guessing. Just hard facts please.
It would be very difficult since it would require Windows drivers for Apple Silicon.
 
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