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I know folks want BootCamp, but I really don't understand why. Sure it allows tapping into the full power of the hardware, but that was mostly needed for gaming and other resource intensive applications. Those apps generally don't run or completely suck on Windows ARM!

So my question is, what would BootCamp enable for y'all that can't be done effectively in a VM?
DirectX 12 is not available in Windows 11 Arm in Parallels Desktop, whereas (as far as I can tell) it is when Windows 11 is running natively on Arm.

How well DirectX 12 games run on Arm natively, I don’t know, but they won’t run at all in Parallels.
 
Nobody should expect to do any gaming in a virtual machine...

There are some flightsim ATC clients that would work perfectly under this, as the versions of DirectX and OpenGL they require are under DX 12 and OpenGL 3.x. Right now they work under emulation, but these could now be native binaries as the entire OS would be in the same architecture.

BL.
 
It would be very difficult since it would require Windows drivers for Apple Silicon.
I agree. So why are so many complaining about Apple not implementing Bootcamp on Silicon machines? Is this just more of the Apple hate that now pervades the forum?
 
Parallels Desktop is expensive software for professional use. Whatever happened to the days when Virtualbox would run just about anything relatively modern?

Good thing it still works on my Intel Mac, helps me cope with having gotten one only a few months before they announced the switch to M-series 🥲
 
Bootcamp works perfectly on Apples’s current Mac Pro. 😂
Let me help you here. All macs used to be Intel based. But at this point most Mac have moved on to Silicon. Silicon Macs can't run Bootcamp. The MacPro is one of the very last machines using Intel, so Bootcamp will work. So, of course it runs on your MacPro. Let me know if there is anything else you need some help with.
 
Parallels Desktop is expensive software for professional use. Whatever happened to the days when Virtualbox would run just about anything relatively modern?
It's not at all expensive if you are earning a living because of the ability to run Windows on a new fast Mac Silicon machine. I can make enough to cover the cost of Parallels for many years in just a 1/2 hour running the necessary PC software on my Mac. If you get a professional job that requires a PC, you'll discover the same thing. And years of a Parallels subscription will cost less than a decent PC, monitors etc. And with Parallels, I can easily switch between the Mac and PC sides using the same computer, monitors, keyboard, and mouse.
 
It's not at all expensive if you are earning a living because of the ability to run Windows on a new fast Mac Silicon machine. I can make enough to cover the cost of Parallels for many years in just a 1/2 hour running the necessary PC software on my Mac. If you get a professional job that requires a PC, you'll discover the same thing. And years of a Parallels subscription will cost less than a decent PC, monitors etc. And with Parallels, I can easily switch between the Mac and PC sides using the same computer, monitors, keyboard, and mouse.
Yes that's why I said for professional use. As you can tell I'm not a professional of the type that has to work with Windows, thankfully...
 
It's not at all expensive if you are earning a living because of the ability to run Windows on a new fast Mac Silicon machine. I can make enough to cover the cost of Parallels for many years in just a 1/2 hour running the necessary PC software on my Mac. If you get a professional job that requires a PC, you'll discover the same thing. And years of a Parallels subscription will cost less than a decent PC, monitors etc. And with Parallels, I can easily switch between the Mac and PC sides using the same computer, monitors, keyboard, and mouse.
Parallels also offers a $99 version that is not a subscription. It has lower limits to the RAM and virtual CPUs to allocate to the VM, but should work for most productivity applications.
 
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Why? There are some older games you can’t play on modern hardware any other way.
I don't give a crap about games. Many people use a PC to run software to make a living. The gamer seem to think that it's all about gaming. It's not. It's also about business and other professional uses. If people can stop being game-centric for just a minute, they'll understand that.
 
Let me help you here. All macs used to be Intel based. But at this point most Mac have moved on to Silicon. Silicon Macs can't run Bootcamp. The MacPro is one of the very last machines using Intel, so Bootcamp will work. So, of course it runs on your MacPro. Let me know if there is anything else you need some help with.
Wow, such a helpful soul! I’ll bet SFjohn didn’t know that; he must be ever so grateful to have been enlightened by you.
 
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Nobody should expect to do any gaming in a virtual machine...
I think this is pretty old fashioned thinking. The experts on the Max Tech youtube channel did a recent video on just this which reinforces the old way of thinking are dead.
 
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I don't give a crap about games. Many people use a PC to run software to make a living. The gamer seem to think that it's all about gaming. It's not. It's also about business and other professional uses. If people can stop being game-centric for just a minute, they'll understand that.
So if you don’t give a crap about games, why are you giving gamers advice about what they should or should not expect to be able to do? Live and let live.
 
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I had good luck using an earlier preview on my M1 Macbook Air with ArcMap but now I just remote in to my work machine using VMWare Horizon or TeamViewer/Moonlight to my Windows computer at home which is now relegated to a dark corner. Been doing it this way on my Intel and Apple Silicon Macs and find it works great. Everything runs natively and pretty easy to get setup. For instances where I need to do GIS work in the field with no internet access I just use QGIS which works great in Rosetta 2 and an Apple Silicon version is already floating around and apparently works well.

I'd like to see Esri officially support macOS and in my last meeting with Esri Canada reps they said it is an often-requested feature so who knows!
Thanks. I may take the plunge for Home Use at first and I’d it works well get the full license.
 
Parallels Desktop is expensive software for professional use. Whatever happened to the days when Virtualbox would run just about anything relatively modern?
Does VBox support Apple Silicon HV extensions? It's more an x86 virtualization technology last time I looked at their product. VM Ware Fusion is free for non-commercial use so I don't think Parallels is the only possibility.
 
DirectX 12 is not available in Windows 11 Arm in Parallels Desktop, whereas (as far as I can tell) it is when Windows 11 is running natively on Arm.

How well DirectX 12 games run on Arm natively, I don’t know, but they won’t run at all in Parallels.

Ok - I didn't know that. With that said, anyone who is gaming on an Apple Silicon Mac running Windows ARM (natively or VM) is doing it wrong!
 
Yes that's why I said for professional use. As you can tell I'm not a professional of the type that has to work with Windows, thankfully...
No. You said "Parallels Desktop is expensive software for professional use". I said it's not expensive for professional use if you are using it for creating income. I hate the PC, but the software I need to use can only be run on a PC. And it's far cheaper to pay for many years of Parallels than to buy a PC, monitors, etc to create the workstation when I have a fabulous Mac and PC workstation on a Mac Silicon side by side.
 
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No. You said "Parallels Desktop is expensive software for professional use". I said it's not expensive for professional use if you are using it for creating income. I hate the PC, but the software I need to use can only be run on a PC. And it's far cheaper to pay for many years of Parallels than to buy a PC, monitors, etc to create the workstation when I have a fabulous Mac and PC workstation on a Mac Silicon side by side.
I see. Parallels Desktop is expensive software, for professional use. This is one case where adding a comma really helps maybe :)
 
Does VBox support Apple Silicon HV extensions? It's more an x86 virtualization technology last time I looked at their product. VM Ware Fusion is free for non-commercial use so I don't think Parallels is the only possibility.
But VMWare Tools for Apple Silicon is so crippled with missing features as to absolutely worthless to me whether or not it's free. No multi-monitor support, no copy/paste support with the Mac, no shared folders with the Mac. There are all done very well with Paralles. I really wish that people would stop claiming that VMWare is equivalent to Parallels in functionality, It simply isn't. Go to the Fusion discussion section on VMWare's web site and see how many people are mad and irritated with VMWare because of this and are threatening to move over to Parallels. What is so great about something for free when it is so useless for many? Free is sometimes anything but free. And Fusion is only free for personal use. If for professional use, you should be paying for it.
 
I see. Parallels Desktop is expensive software, for professional use. This is one case where adding a comma really helps maybe :)
Maybe I'm uninformed about the English language, but aren't you again saying it's expensive for professional use? I use it for business (professionally) and I consider it a bargain given how much money I make using Parallels. If Parallels cost twice as much, I'd still consider it a bargain. I don't spend my time looking for free software. I spend my time earning money so I don't have to look for cheaper inferior software.
 
Does VBox support Apple Silicon HV extensions? It's more an x86 virtualization technology last time I looked at their product. VM Ware Fusion is free for non-commercial use so I don't think Parallels is the only possibility.
There's a beta version on their website with ARM support! Must be pretty recent, I never saw that before. Maybe then it'd be possible to install ARM Windows 11, even if not supported? Someone should look into this.
 
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