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I do the same but we had a rep here once and it was terrible trying to cut a deal. We ordered 30 more SunRays a few weeks later.

Actually, I've found that the limitations of what to do with research funds (i.e. red-tape) is so much lower in Europe. We bought a few PS3s and Sony Plasmas for the coffee room and have them "fold" when not in "use."
 
If your time has no value, then that is an accurate comparison. If I spend an extra hour per week dealing with slow start-ups, slow shut-downs, viruses, and tons of updates ... that's about €60 per week out of my pocket.

Sorry man, but that machine this guy built is not going to be suffering from anything close to slow startups, shutdown, or viruses. Lots of updates, probably.
 
This is the PC I just purchased:

Intel i7 Quad core @ 2.66ghz
9 gb DDR3 ram
1TB hardrive
Nividia GTS 250 (just a hair better than the 9800+) w/1gb ram
DVD writer with lightscribe
BlueRay player
802.11N wireless built in
Built in card reader
Mouse/Keyboard

$1,100.

How much would this have cost at Apple?

One 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
8GB (4x2GB)
1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB
One 18x SuperDrive
Apple Mighty Mouse
Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (English) and User's Guide
AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi Card with 802.11n

$3,099. No Bluray, no card readers, I have more ram, better video card, & core i7 is faster.

I'm very much happier saving $2,000!

I just switched over in October and I couldn't be happier. The funny thing about this posting is you gloat about having an extra gig of RAM - most Vista computers use 20-30% of the RAM though JUST to run Vista. So it's almost like you NEEEDDD the extra RAM.

Also ironically you try to compare server-grade processors and RAM to retail processors and RAM and there's literally no comparison. For gaming you'll see a slight advantage with the i7 but for movie-editing and higher end content, the Mac Pro is the better way to go.

Funny how you complain about spending extra money on the Mac but you don't mind spending the extra money on the Blu Ray drive - that's the expense that keeps on draining your wallet and in the next few years they'll come out with something else new that replaces that (as Sony's already in the process of developing actually).
 
Sorry man, but that machine this guy built is not going to be suffering from anything close to slow startups, shutdown, or viruses. Lots of updates, probably.

Windows sucks. We did a side-by-side test and it takes longer for a top-of-the-line Dell XPS to come out of sleep and become functional than it does for our new MacBooks to fully start from being turned off and become functional.
 
Actually, I've found that the limitations of what to do with research funds (i.e. red-tape) is so much lower in Europe. We bought a few PS3s and Sony Plasmas for the coffee room and have them "fold" when not in "use."
And I thought grant money expenditure was frivolous enough around here.

Everyone is in a race to spend more than US$2,500 as well on a purchase because the university has different asset rules and will help fund it once it breaks that price point.

Windows sucks. We did a side-by-side test and it takes longer for a top-of-the-line Dell XPS to come out of sleep and become functional than it does for our new MacBooks to fully start from being turned off and become functional.
Waking has always been instant for me under Windows. :confused:
 
Kids, kids and fanboys!

However, if you have to pinch pennies and worry about the extra 2k, I understand.

Are you adult? Are you real? Do you earn? Putting this stupid Mac/PC argument aside, since when 2000 USD extra spending on a computer is 'penny pinching'?

The point I am trying to make is that it's called a Mac Pro (short for professional for a reason).

You are wrong. Pro is short for prostitute. Apple is trying to please a wider audience by keeping the plastic economy-line kitchen goods MacBook, whilst pushing 2.26 GHz machines with 160 GB HDD as Pro.
 
If there was a Mac version of NewsLeecher, I would never use Windows at all anymore outside of work. But NL is pure gold, and I wouldn't dream of doing without it.
 
Sorry man, but that machine this guy built is not going to be suffering from anything close to slow startups, shutdown, or viruses. Lots of updates, probably.

If it's running Windows all the best hardware in the world won't keep it from getting bogged down and it definitely won't make it immune from viruses and spyware. Even the best antivirus and anti-spyware won't do that. If you stop and think - the way antivirus/anti-spyware work is that someone has to get the virus/spyware BEFORE an anti-solution can be made. That's why Geek Squad stays in business - they have people like you that think the higher end the computer the less of a risk of slow down and viruses. Meanwhile they can setup cams in your home and watch your daughter shower.
 
Also, not to be too pedantic, but a keyboard that lights up is just one of the features that makes similar-spec'd machines from Apple nicer to use.

Have you seen that on any other all-Aluminum notebook? Honestly, if you can't see and feel the quality difference than I can't really help you.
 
Windows sucks. We did a side-by-side test and it takes longer for a top-of-the-line Dell XPS to come out of sleep and become functional than it does for our new MacBooks to fully start from being turned off and become functional.

I'm not surprised, but which version of Windows were you testing with? XP and Vista should be put out of their misery.
 
Also, not to be too pedantic, but a keyboard that lights up is just one of the features that makes similar-spec'd machines from Apple nicer to use.

Have you seen that on any other all-Aluminum notebook? Honestly, if you can't see and feel the quality difference than I can't really help you.
I can recommend Apple's notebooks but I feel their desktops are very lacking.

It's tough finding built-in 6/8-pin FireWire on a notebook. You don't need to spend more than the lowest end models though.
 
I just switched over in October and I couldn't be happier. The funny thing about this posting is you gloat about having an extra gig of RAM - most Vista computers use 20-30% of the RAM though JUST to run Vista. So it's almost like you NEEEDDD the extra RAM.

Also ironically you try to compare server-grade processors and RAM to retail processors and RAM and there's literally no comparison. For gaming you'll see a slight advantage with the i7 but for movie-editing and higher end content, the Mac Pro is the better way to go.

Funny how you complain about spending extra money on the Mac but you don't mind spending the extra money on the Blu Ray drive - that's the expense that keeps on draining your wallet and in the next few years they'll come out with something else new that replaces that (as Sony's already in the process of developing actually).

There is no problem with switching, use whatever you're going to be more productive on. What I don't understand is why people pay for the apple tax on a machine they can't be fully productive on. If you know you can't be productive without Windows, why spend more than you need to?

Buy a Macbook for $1,000
OEM license of Vista $200
Parrallels $100
Total $1300

or

Dell laptop for $500

It doesn't make any sense to me.
 
Are you adult? Are you real? Do you earn? Putting this stupid Mac/PC argument aside, since when 2000 USD extra spending on a computer is 'penny pinching'?



You are wrong. Pro is short for prostitute. Apple is trying to please a wider audience by keeping the plastic economy-line kitchen goods MacBook, whilst pushing 2.26 GHz machines with 160 GB HDD as Pro.

Oh yeah - Windows computers neverrrrr do that. I mean you go to places like Best Buy and ALL the models are completely different...i'm hoping you notice the sarcasm. PC's are exactly the same just a lot older hardware and cheaper builds - you'll never find a pentium dual core, celeron, turion, or athlon mac - all I'm saying.

Talk about prostituting - everything on a PC is an add-on - and every time you purchase an add-on Microsoft's getting even more money out of it. Sadly for as much money as people spend on PC's - Microsoft's share holders don't have much to show for it.
 
That's why Geek Squad stays in business - they have people like you that think the higher end the computer the less of a risk of slow down and viruses. Meanwhile they can setup cams in your home and watch your daughter shower.

1. If a man is willing to take the time to research and put together that kind of machine, then chances are he's smart enough to run a decent AV solution, and isn't going to be doing/installing stupid things that bog down his computer. I've been testing Windows 7 in Bootcamp on my MacBook since March and have yet to acquire a single virus nor experience anything resembling a bogged down system.

2. You just assume that everyone else is an idiot, don't you? Get over yourself, man.
 
Yes...you are correct.

So does this mean that when im using bootcamp, I dont have to restart anymore, I can just go straight into either os?

I use VMware Fusion and I have both OS' running at the same time. It is easy to install and extremely convenient for those of us who need to run selected Win-only apps. You will not need to run Bootcamp at all. And Fusion has an easy way to convert your bootcamp installation to Fusion. Try it....you'll like it a lot.
 
Are you adult? Are you real? Do you earn? Putting this stupid Mac/PC argument aside, since when 2000 USD extra spending on a computer is 'penny pinching'?

You are wrong. Pro is short for prostitute. Apple is trying to please a wider audience by keeping the plastic economy-line kitchen goods MacBook, whilst pushing 2.26 GHz machines with 160 GB HDD as Pro.

I run a research group with millions in funding, so I usually buy the top-spec Apple I can get for everyone working here, so 2k€ is not a big deal. And, that's why it's a "pro."

And, for the record, we've had many more problems with the Dell boxes we've bought (usually crappy fans and power supplies), whereas I just took a iMac G3 out of service after continuous use for 9 years.

One of these went out of service (not due to failure)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IMac_Bondi_Blue.jpg

and I bought two new iMacs to save space in the lab.
 
This is the PC I just purchased:

Intel i7 Quad core @ 2.66ghz
9 gb DDR3 ram
1TB hardrive
Nividia GTS 250 (just a hair better than the 9800+) w/1gb ram
DVD writer with lightscribe
BlueRay player
802.11N wireless built in
Built in card reader
Mouse/Keyboard

$1,100.

How much would this have cost at Apple?

One 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
8GB (4x2GB)
1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB
One 18x SuperDrive
Apple Mighty Mouse
Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (English) and User's Guide
AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi Card with 802.11n

$3,099. No Bluray, no card readers, I have more ram, better video card, & core i7 is faster.

I'm very much happier saving $2,000!

Good for you. Those are YOUR needs. Twice I've purchased a Windows laptop that met MY needs, and twice I've spent the same or even a little more than for the equivalent Mac.

That said, the fact that a. there are umpteen PC manufacturers vs. one Mac manufacturer, and b. the fact that Apple almost always has tightly integrated, well thought out mechanical packaging while many PC vendors use off the shelf parts-- together these mean there are PCs available at many more price points than Macs. Apple is weak at the very low end, and it is quite unfortunate that there is no mini-tower, meaning flexible desktop/deskside machines are only available at a very high entry point. For gamers, in particular, this is not good. Still, whenever I compare prices for what you get point by point, I always find Apple to be pretty reasonable.
 
Good for you. Those are YOUR needs. Twice I've purchased a Windows laptop that met MY needs, and twice I've spent the same or even a little more than for the equivalent Mac.

That said, the fact that a. there are umpteen PC manufacturers vs. one Mac manufacturer, and b. the fact that Apple almost always has tightly integrated, well thought out mechanical packaging while many PC vendors use off the shelf parts-- together these mean there are PCs available at many more price points than Macs.
It's still the same OEM hardware with teetering on the edge thermal design short of the Mac Pro.

Apple is weak at the very low end, and it is quite unfortunate that there is no mini-tower, meaning flexible desktop/deskside machines are only available at a very high entry point. For gamers, in particular, this is not good. Still, whenever I compare prices for what you get point by point, I always find Apple to be pretty reasonable.
Razor thin margins on the low end. There's a reason Apple doesn't fight it out down there. The Mac mini can't beat a good Celeron E3xxx or Pentium Dual Core.
 
The only mild interest I have in OSX is my children use it at school and windows at home. I haven't decided what is better for them to learn and become efficient in. QUOTE]


Interesting. Depending on how old your children are it may not matter which one you choose. There is no telling what mainstream interfaces will look like in 10+ years.
 
So stick with Windows!! I do not understand why you are here complaining that Mac is not for you, and that you can get a faster & cheaper PC!!! :confused:


:apple:

Comes with free restarts and weekly lock ups..:D

Cannot even be bothered to reply to you, sorry!!!! but I think you will find the link below very useful

LINK for you

I had to click it and, that was funny as hell..

Also, not to be too pedantic, but a keyboard that lights up is just one of the features that makes similar-spec'd machines from Apple nicer to use.

Have you seen that on any other all-Aluminum notebook? Honestly, if you can't see and feel the quality difference than I can't really help you.

No but I am sure they will copy it for long, just like everything else they do. :apple:
 
Parallels is either a idiot convention or is owned by Microsoft

I got Parallels a year ago, and installed it. Right after that I discovered that my windows environment would not boot. I managed to find a phone number for Parallels on the Internet and they told me that they do not supply technical support for Parallels software, but they had another way, including my paying $30 for someone to email me with in a week.

End result is I returned the Parallels software (WITH A BIG ARGUMENT WITH THE STORE OWNER). Came home and reformatted the windows partition and spent the next 24 hours reinstalling and setting up everything I had in Windows.

So let me see. Parallels is now making a program to help windows people get away form a failing windows computer by bringing over all their data, viruses, spyware, and other problems to a Mac, with no help form Parallels. All this for $100 and an additional $30 to install it assuming that you can ever find a phone number in the packaging. Meanwhile, Flawlessly working Boot camp comes with no headaches (Outside of installing a Microsoft product) and it is free.
 
There is convincing evidence, that Parallels started as a code theft by russian programmers from a German company called Netsys. Should that be supported?

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