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Good for Parallels! Smart move.

One of the things that made my transition to Macs much less worry-free was the knowledge that I could run any needed Windows programs on my Mac. Of course eventually I found I didn't need to run any Windows-only programs other than games.
 
Just an FYI for those who don't know, Virtualbox offers all the same basic functionality of these other proprietary virtualization programs (including SMP, 64-bit, basic openGL and direct 3D API pass through, shared folders, and coherence modes), but it's entirely open source; you don't need to spend a penny on it. I've been using it for most of this year, running both XP and Ubuntu (among others); games younger then DX9 run, and compiz effects can be enabled in ubuntu. It's free, and it's well supported; why not?

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The 2.66Ghz Xeon in the $2499 Mac Pro is actually a W3520. W3520 is just a re-branded 920 chip that supports ECC memory and can be configured in a dual-socket motherboard. That's it. It's the same chip.

Right; so if it's the same chip, how is the i7 faster? No, I don't mean overclocking.
 
You mean the semantic difference that Apple charges you $1,100 extra for because they refuse to sell an affordable i7 tower for $1,100 that's as fast as their ridiculouly expensive single quad ? :rolleyes:

Do you understand the difference between $1,100 dollars for being ripped off because you think its a workstation with 3GB of memory and a cr*p Nvidia 130 video card. What a sucker. Fail.

So I guess you're really pissed about the Dell, HP, and Lenovo workstations too, right? Because except for the video card, they're all the same thing.

I find it really convenient that it's okay for you guys to bash Apple for the Mac Pro, but not mention that Lenovo, Dell, and HP offer products that are nearly THE SAME THING. W3500 series Xeons with ECC, otherwise no different than an i7. It's okay for them to do it and charge a premium but not Apple?

Not to mention we have a couple of the Z series HP's, as well as a couple Mac Pros, and the MP's are built a lot better and designed better than the HP.

The only thing the Mac Pros can be faulted for are the video cards. Outside of that, they're the same as their HP, Lenovo, and Dell counterparts. The Quads are generally a little more, the Octos are actually a little less.

Also, Macs are generally more expensive than Windows PC's. Welcome to 1997 (or earlier). When has this ever NOT been the case? You either like OS X and buy a Mac, or you don't, so you buy a Windows PC. Next? Since when is this Earth shattering?
 
to the several pages of back-and-forth comments related to Fastshutter's post about the HP desktop he'd configured, all I can say is this- to each his own... when I bought my first Mac last year, I was well aware of the "Apple tax" that came along with it, and in spite of that, I wouldn't switch back to a PC for a second. that doesn't mean that I don't run the occasional Windows-based app through Crossover on my MacBook, but the majority of my workflow is much more efficiently accomplished on my Mac and using OS X. that's just how it is, and I'm more than willing to settle with the initial higher cost of buying an Apple product if it means that I can relax knowing that I've got the perfect balance of easy-to-use, powerful and secure in my Mac.

what it comes down to is that it's a matter of personal choice, and it boggles my mind that a die-hard Windows/PC user would waste their time posting about their latest acquisition in a forum devoted to Mac users... and it's a waste of my time to have to scroll through endless PC vs. Mac-related posts just to find something in this thread actually related to the topic.

as for this latest Parallels release, it's definitely not software that I'd need (since it took me almost no time at all to adjust to OS X), but I know of plenty of people who would probably find software like this useful... but at a $99 premium? that's a little steep considering you still have to purchase Windows. and a Mac.
 
to the several pages of back-and-forth comments related to Fastshutter's post about the HP desktop he'd configured, all I can say is this- to each his own... when I bought my first Mac last year, I was well aware of the "Apple tax" that came along with it, and in spite of that, I wouldn't switch back to a PC for a second. that doesn't mean that I don't run the occasional Windows-based app through Crossover on my MacBook, but the majority of my workflow is much more efficiently accomplished on my Mac and using OS X. that's just how it is, and I'm more than willing to settle with the initial higher cost of buying an Apple product if it means that I can relax knowing that I've got the perfect balance of easy-to-use, powerful and secure in my Mac.

what it comes down to is that it's a matter of personal choice, and it boggles my mind that a die-hard Windows/PC user would waste their time posting about their latest acquisition in a forum devoted to Mac users... and it's a waste of my time to have to scroll through endless PC vs. Mac-related posts just to find something in this thread actually related to the topic.

as for this latest Parallels release, it's definitely not software that I'd need (since it took me almost no time at all to adjust to OS X), but I know of plenty of people who would probably find software like this useful... but at a $99 premium? that's a little steep considering you still have to purchase Windows. and a Mac.

I completely see where you're coming from and agree, however I think you'll find that the majority of the trolls on this board haven't a clue when it comes to perceived value.

They don't think OS X is worth the premium, therefore universally Macs are a poor value. They don't comprehend the subjectivity of it. Or perhaps they do, and they love trolling on a Mac forum.
 
So I guess you're really pissed about the Dell, HP, and Lenovo workstations too, right? Because except for the video card, they're all the same thing.

I find it really convenient that it's okay for you guys to bash Apple for the Mac Pro, but not mention that Lenovo, Dell, and HP offer products that are nearly THE SAME THING. W3500 series Xeons with ECC, otherwise no different than an i7. It's okay for them to do it and charge a premium but not Apple?

Not to mention we have a couple of the Z series HP's, as well as a couple Mac Pros, and the MP's are built a lot better and designed better than the HP.

The only thing the Mac Pros can be faulted for are the video cards. Outside of that, they're the same as their HP, Lenovo, and Dell counterparts. The Quads are generally a little more, the Octos are actually a little less.

We don't bash Dell, HP, and Lenovo becuase they offer choices. I need a computer that can do a pretty good job editing 1080i AVCHD files for under $1500. I tried using iMovie on an iMac and the Apple didn't cut it. I read through many Apple forums reading about other users frustrated over the same problems I was having--the performance of iMovie. The best solution for my budget was a PC + Sony Vegas. A Mac Pro with FCE was more than double my budget.

The internals of a Mac Pro are designed better than the HP, I don't disagree, but the internals of the HP are just as functional - minus the crazy amount of storage space in the Mac.

IF apple ever comes out with a mid-range tower than they'll easily crap all over most of my arguments. But they don't give me a choice that is as economical as the computer I bought.
 
We don't bash Dell, HP, and Lenovo becuase they offer choices. I need a computer that can do a pretty good job editing 1080i AVCHD files for under $1500. I tried using iMovie on an iMac and the Apple didn't cut it. I read through many Apple forums with user frustrated over the same problems I was having--the performance of iMovie. The best solution for my budget was a PC + Sony Vegas. A Mac Pro with FCE was more than double my budget.

The internals of a Mac Pro are designed better than the HP, I don't disagree, but the internals of the HP are just as functional - minus the crazy amount of storage space in the Mac.

IF apple ever comes out with a mid-range tower than they'll easily crap all over most of my arguments. But they don't give me a choice that is as economical as the computer I bought.

Again, welcome to 1997. Mac choices are limited. I'm not making excuses for them as I would like an i7 tower too, but it is what it is.

Ironically enough I came from Vegas to FCP and it's far superior IMO. Even FCE is better (again IMO) than Vegas. So the compromise in choice and the cost difference (actually the Octo was cheaper than the equivalent PC) made it worthwhile.

Complaining about it on a non-Apple board is kinda pointless, no? Not only that, it's a tired, 12 year old argument with no solution.
 
The best solution for my budget was a PC + Sony Vegas. A Mac Pro with FCE was more than double my budget.
All I can say is I hope your enjoy your experience with your Windows PC from NFM (Mrs. B would be so proud); now maybe you can find a nice HP or Sony forum to hang out at. :D
 
We don't bash Dell, HP, and Lenovo becuase they offer choices. I need a computer that can do a pretty good job editing 1080i AVCHD files for under $1500. I tried using iMovie on an iMac and the Apple didn't cut it. I read through many Apple forums reading about other users frustrated over the same problems I was having--the performance of iMovie. The best solution for my budget was a PC + Sony Vegas. A Mac Pro with FCE was more than double my budget.

The internals of a Mac Pro are designed better than the HP, I don't disagree, but the internals of the HP are just as functional - minus the crazy amount of storage space in the Mac.

IF apple ever comes out with a mid-range tower than they'll easily crap all over most of my arguments. But they don't give me a choice that is as economical as the computer I bought.

Also, what "didn't cut it" about iMovie? Just curious, as I use it from time to time for quick and dirty stuff with 1080i for stuff going to web on my 2,4Ghz MBP. It's certainly not Vegas/FCP league obviously, but it's definitely capable for simpler stuff.
 
I doubt its very important if your using a VM.

Why do you say that? We've got quite a bit running in ESX, and it's much better than physical machines, for our uses. Physical machine dies? No problem. Slide it to another physical host. For an SMB without clustering, it's a great tool.
 
Also, what "didn't cut it" about iMovie? Just curious, as I use it from time to time for quick and dirty stuff with 1080i for stuff going to web on my 2,4Ghz MBP. It's certainly not Vegas/FCP league obviously, but it's definitely capable for simpler stuff.

Preview for AVCHD was dog slow and choppy. I found software that could be used to batch convert the .mts files to quicktime format which sped things up a bit, but I didn't want to pay for more software and an extra step. Vegas handles the files beautifully.

I would agree that FCE is superior, but the cost getting there isn't worth it, as I would also have to by a copy of Windows and dual boot constantly.

I will gracefully bow out of the conversation, sorry to rub you all the wrong way!
 
Interesting, probably not a bad idea for people who're scared of Macs/computers in general and don't have a "support person".. Ie, the geek who always sorts things out/explains for them. (I wonder how many of us here are that person? haha)

Parallels and VMware have both been very solid for me, I switched back to Parallels recently because it's just plain faster on my iMac.
 
If it's running Windows all the best hardware in the world won't keep it from getting bogged down and it definitely won't make it immune from viruses and spyware. Even the best antivirus and anti-spyware won't do that. If you stop and think - the way antivirus/anti-spyware work is that someone has to get the virus/spyware BEFORE an anti-solution can be made. That's why Geek Squad stays in business - they have people like you that think the higher end the computer the less of a risk of slow down and viruses. Meanwhile they can setup cams in your home and watch your daughter shower.

This is simply a fallacy perpetuated by "mactards." This idea that Windows machines just simply degrade in performance over time simply from being switched on is pure drivel. It's been my experience from using PCs over the last twenty years or so that the only time Windows becomes sluggish and unresponsive is when the hard drive gets filled to within a few percent of maximum capacity, or a person has installed/uninstalled simply tons of programs, sometimes not even uninstalling them, but just deleting the program folders and just having loads of useless programs running as background processes, usually having no idea what any of that "stuff" is that is cluttering up the system tray. It's wrong to get after the OS as being "slow" or "crap" because of user abuse or misuse. If you don't look after your car, changing the oil, coolant, transmission fluid.....not driving the piss out of it, it's going to turn into the piece of junk. It's no different with a computer.

And I don't know where in the heck people are getting this idea that Windows needs constant updates every other day, or that if you aren't doing hourly virus scans, you're screwed. That's a load of bull. Again, from my experience, especially over the last few years, updates come out for Windows just every so often, no different than on a Mac. And if you lay off all the porn sites and warez downloads, and don't just click 'Yes' every time your web browser tells you, too without actually READING what it is saying, you'll be fine in the virus/malware..though the odd scan is still good, just to be safe. And also, when you get that email that has the attachment MEGAN FOX NAKED SEX.EXE, it's probably not legit. Again, I don't think you can fault the OS because of people's carelessness or stupidity.

And before you yell at me, and call me a PC fanboy, know that I am typing this on an iMac I bought in 2007, that I use exclusively, and am quite happy with it. And I have used Macs since 2003 and like them very much. Even so, I don't dig the stupidity I read coming from Mac users in regards to PCs, no more than I do the other way around.
 
I noticed that in Parallels v3. v4 seems a lot more solid and faster.

That's not what I wanted to hear because I've had just the reverse experience. V3 was brilliant and quite responsive. V4 is a pain to use. I was hoping to hear from others with a similar experience to mine and a simple way to cure it.
 
This is simply a fallacy perpetuated by "mactards." This idea that Windows machines just simply degrade in performance over time simply from being switched on is pure drivel. It's been my experience from using PCs over the last twenty years or so that the only time Windows becomes sluggish and unresponsive is when the hard drive gets filled to within a few percent of maximum capacity, or a person has installed/uninstalled simply tons of programs, sometimes not even uninstalling them, but just deleting the program folders and just having loads of useless programs running as background processes, usually having no idea what any of that "stuff" is that is cluttering up the system tray. It's wrong to get after the OS as being "slow" or "crap" because of user abuse or misuse. If you don't look after your car, changing the oil, coolant, transmission fluid.....not driving the piss out of it, it's going to turn into the piece of junk. It's no different with a computer.

And I don't know where in the heck people are getting this idea that Windows needs constant updates every other day, or that if you aren't doing hourly virus scans, you're screwed. That's a load of bull. Again, from my experience, especially over the last few years, updates come out for Windows just every so often, no different than on a Mac. And if you lay off all the porn sites and warez downloads, and don't just click 'Yes' every time your web browser tells you, too without actually READING what it is saying, you'll be fine in the virus/malware..though the odd scan is still good, just to be safe. And also, when you get that email that has the attachment MEGAN FOX NAKED SEX.EXE, it's probably not legit. Again, I don't think you can fault the OS because of people's carelessness or stupidity.

And before you yell at me, and call me a PC fanboy, know that I am typing this on an iMac I bought in 2007, that I use exclusively, and am quite happy with it. And I have used Macs since 2003 and like them very much. Even so, I don't dig the stupidity I read coming from Mac users in regards to PCs, no more than I do the other way around.

Wow, thanks for all the personal anecdotes! They mean about as much as everyone else's. :rolleyes:

Also, while I don't necessarily disagree with you, I find it unnecessary to use the term "mactards".
 
I've used this a while ago and its retarded it wont allow you to full use windows to full potential. Video card will only go up to 32/64mb
Cant play any real game on it either. Waste of 100$ just do boot camp trust me.
 
This is the PC I just purchased:

Intel i7 Quad core @ 2.66ghz
9 gb DDR3 ram
1TB hardrive
Nividia GTS 250 (just a hair better than the 9800+) w/1gb ram
DVD writer with lightscribe
BlueRay player
802.11N wireless built in
Built in card reader
Mouse/Keyboard

$1,100.

How much would this have cost at Apple?

One 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
8GB (4x2GB)
1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB
One 18x SuperDrive
Apple Mighty Mouse
Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (English) and User's Guide
AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi Card with 802.11n

$3,099. No Bluray, no card readers, I have more ram, better video card, & core i7 is faster.

I'm very much happier saving $2,000!

I think I'd be happier with a Ferrari than a souped up Ford Pinto...
You might be able to get a pinto (pc) to go faster than a Ferrari(mac), but it's still a Pinto.
 

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This is simply a fallacy perpetuated by "mactards." ...

I kept my PC clean, performance degraded over time. Virus scan and spyware software weekly. I installed and uninstalled programs about as often as I do on my mac. In two years it was unusable. Same thing happened with the second computer. I could never figure out why. And I'm the guy that fixed/cleaned my circle of friends computer.

Also the more apt car comparison is Porsche-"American Muscle Car of Choice". They might look the same on paper, but they sure as hell ain't when you drive them (unless its a straight road and you don't really care about the interior I guess)
 
Sounds like it's going to unnecessarily complicate the PC to Mac process..

.. all for a mere 99bucks..

I guess some people will feel a bit safer switching to a Mac with something like this, but really, copying your photos, music, documents, etc onto an external drive and then copying them onto your new Mac would take care of most of this. A clean install of any critical Windows app via Parallels would suffice. It just seems overly complicated.
 
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