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Seems to me like your Dad is just trying to be your Dad. I would take his friendship with open arms. Sounds like you have more of an issue with it then your Dad does. He brought it up because he cares and is concerned about your well being. That is what parents do. It seems to me from reading your messages he is really coming to terms with it. At least he is there for you.

Try to keep that relationship with your parents going, my Dad and I had a fight and I said some things to him I wish I never would have and he died a month later. A day hasn't gone by that I wish I would have said something else. Be thankful.
 
Wow your parents took things well! my parents wanted to hurt me, bad.
They were heartbroken for months, and still are to this day, almost a year later. We were as close as can be before, now I feel like I permanently shattered my relationship with my parents. I want to make it up to them somehow, but since they're old and ailing, I'm afraid that my time to do that will soon end. :-(

I'm gonna go be upset now.
 
I'm glad that the MacRumors community seems so open-minded and cool about this! Not a single mean comment, I'm very impressed.

Way to go guys; one more reason why mac users are the bomb diggity.
 
I understand your pain of your first post. It wasn't a cell phone that did me in - but a stack of books in a paper bag going back to the library. I was struggling on coming out just to myself, and picked up some books at the library, along with safer titles. I was going to return them the next day, so I put the gay related titles spine down in the bottom of the bag, and the other titles face up on the top of the bag.

I came back from college classes to find the gay titles now on top of the bag. I knew that the gig was up. I had made a promise to myself way before this, that if I was ever asked by my parents I would not lie.

Two days later I was going out on a date with my BF. Went to say goodbye to my Mom. She asked where and whom I was going out with that night, I told her my friend Chris (my BF at the time). She said that it seemed that I was spending a lot of time with Chris. I said that we just liked hanging out with each other and such. Then she laid the Gay bomb on me. "So are you Gay?" she asked.

I told her that I thought I was (still wasn't quite sure myself). She then hit me with every argument in the book. No one else in the family was Gay, so why should you be? - never mind her single brother that went to church 7 days a week, who became very cold and distant to me after finding out about me (perhaps envy/guilt that I chose to live my life my way). Maybe you should go to church more often - little did she know that I had sought out church and prayer, and came to my own understanding on the issue of being Gay and God. Maybe I should date more girls - she didn't seem to grasp that I was dating Chris and two girls at the same time trying to come to grips with my reality.

After several years she finally came around. For I made the effort of showing her (my Dad on the other hand would take a decade to even come close to understanding) that the values of a relationship with some that I loved that they tried to teach me, mattered deeply to me. It just was not with a woman. Some years later when I broke up with a lover that my Mom got to know, and looked upon as another son, my Mom asked me what did I do to screw it up! :eek: LOL

Things like this take time. Your parents had certain dreams for you, and themselves. You just changed them. In my case it was before AIDS, your parents are probably worried about your future health.

Just live your life the way you want. But try to show your parents that the values that you were brought up with about how you deal with a person that you love is still very much alive.
 
first of all...AWWWWWWWWWW

second... I'm sorry that happened to you. Your mom had no right to do that with reading your messages. That being said, she most likely did it because she loves you. As much as you are angry with her for that, and as much as it was wrong, I think it would be wise to at least talk to her about it. It seems like that's the kind of thing that would be one of the hardest parts about parenting. Not that it was right, but maybe try looking at it from her position...

It is good however that you have such a great dad. I know if/when im a parent, I could never not love my child or hold anything against them for how and who they choose to love.

My advice, since you asked, (though I'm not gay/have experience with this situation exactly) i would certainly first try talking to your mom about what she did. She in all honesty probably feels left out of your life since you don't talk to her, and felt you couldn't come to her if you had a problem/ wanted to talk. You should be able to do that with any parent if you have a problem, they're there for you. She went about it wrong, but try to talk to her and work out those issues and try to move on.

Hope that helps. <3Hug.
 
ero87 said:
Way to go guys; one more reason why mac users are the bomb diggity.

Well, he's just gay, it's not like he's trying to develop a radically new operating system that breaks the confines of not only the desktop but his intellectual capacity. :eek: ;) :D
 
Hey just a little update:

Someone above asked "how did my friend help me' lol. He simply offered his point of view and just talked about stuff like being gay etc. Nothing is going on between us.

Well, my Dad asking me if I was gay happened on the Friday evening. Lucky that I was going out later that night. I was going, with my friend and 2 other people to someone's house to basically just have a party, drink, have some fun etc. I stayed the night, slept on the couch and woke up at half nine and ended up home at 12:45pm on the Saturday. I start work at 2pm and finish at 12 midnight. At around 11am, my Dad phoned me but I didn't feel ready to speak to him on the phone, and I let it ring out. When I arrived home at 12:45 in the afternoon, he was mad saying that I could have called etc. I quickly got ready for work, and arrived home around 11:45pm. During my work I managed to talk to my gay friend about the whole situation and again he offers me some advice. He offered me to move out with him as he is going to be moving out of his parents house soon. My friend tells me that everything is going to be ok etc. When I arrived home that night, from work, my Dad was sitting up in the living room watching a DVD. He drinks wine and stuff and was probably at the bottom of a bottle (or two) of red wine. He called me into the living room and to sit down. So I sat. He started talking about how the wireless internet wasn't working but then the conversation took a dramatic turn.

He started asking deep questions about how he wants to understand how it was like for me feeling isolated and lonely with no-one to talk to and how I have dealt with being gay since I have grown up and saying he needed to understand it. I tell him that I don't want to talk about it. I walked into the kitchen to get a drink and he shouted something like 'I DON'T CARE IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT', quite aggressively. I walked back into the living room and sat down and the questions start again. 1. I don't want to have this conversation with him in the first place - I don't want to talk about this sort of stuff with him and 2. I certainly don't even want to talk to him about it when he has been drinking. I said to him "I don't want to talk about it, can you not accept that?!" He said 'No'. I eventually walked out of the living room and went upstairs to my room. I talked to my friend on MSN. Telling him how I can't cope with this and that I can't handle it. Please remember that when I wake up the next day (Sunday - which is today) it is my Birthday and have to spend most of my day with my parents. When I wake up in the morning, I go downstairs and open some cards. It was in the back of my mind that my mum would maybe have written a message in the card; something like 'We are proud of your no matter what' or 'Don't worry about it' something vague to reassure me that they were OK about me being gay - thankfully they never! It would be like opening the card to see in huge capitals 'WE KNOW YOUR GAY!!!" and it would have caught me off guard.
My Dad is still in his bed. I get a shower and get ready and sit in my room. My Dad comes in and says something along the lines of '19 today! Lucky you!' fairly happily. He asked what I wanted to do today, I said I didn't know. He left the room quite sad saying 'Oh ok I'll see you later then'.

About 1hr later, my mum comes in and asks me all about my night out about where I slept, was I drunk, what did I do, who was there, how many people were there, what time did I go to my bed. I answer: Couch, Not Really, got drunk, People from my Work, 5 and 3am respectively. Then she brings up the gay thing. She is standing at the door and I am sitting on my computer chair, reading movie reviews on my iBook (this is a Mac forum - I need to at least relate to a Mac in my story :p). Obviously my Dad has had a chance to tell her about it all, like he said he would. Although it was today it got brought up I can't remember what she said to break the ice. She said something along the lines of 'Don't worry I am not going to tell anybody about that thing. It's something you should tell people when you want to.' She also said, 'Your Dad and I are fine with it and that I have not to feel embarrassed about it' etc. I can't remember word for word or all the details as I am finding it a bit hard to take all this stuff in. The conversation then changes to other stuff about suggestions I should buy with my birthday money. Luckily I never had to go out for dinner with them myself as my Aunt and Uncle join us which is great as I don't think I could have handled going out with them myself as I am positive they would have brought it up. My Mum was going onabout dig money (money you pay your parents for living with them - I'm not sure if the term 'dig money' is used in America) to my Aunt and my Aunt said something about 'Yeah take it off him and when he gets married you can give him a big contribution' my Mum just smiled and changed the conversation. Ugh. My uncle was also asking if I had a girlfriend in front of them. Extremely uncomfortable. I managed to quickly change the conversation. At the end of it all, I thanked them for taking me out for dinner and for the money they gave me for my birthday and now I am up in my room writing this.

Well, I think this is the end of things. I can't see them bringing it up any more - I am certainly not - not ever. I don't want to ever talk to them about it. As I said I am not close to them and I don't feel comfortable talking to them about it, no matter how great they are with it. Maybe that is selfish but it is how I have to deal with it. Life isn't like one of these American dramas where everybody shares everything and family members have great personal bonds with each other. Maybe some families are like that, but to me, things like that don't exist. It's real life.

I don't know what is going to happen from here. I have considered moving out with my friend and sharing with someone else from my work. I think I need my own space - I don't think I can live with them anymore.

I want to thank you all for your advice, suggestions and comments. You have all made this difficult time in my life just that little bit more bareable - enough for me to handle it without just breaking down into an emotional wreck.
 
FearFactor47 said:
Well, I think this is the end of things. I can't see them bringing it up any more - I am certainly not - not ever. I don't want to ever talk to them about it. ...
I don't know what is going to happen from here. I have considered moving out with my friend and sharing with someone else from my work. I think I need my own space - I don't think I can live with them anymore.

Don't burn any bridges. It must have been a shock for them and they seem to be doing pretty well in terms of trying to support you and not being judgemental.

So far as the 'you should've called' thing goes, you still live with them, they still care about you and they still kinda like to know where you are to be sure that you're OK. The fact that you don't want to talk to them sounds like you're still not comfortable yourself with your sexuality.

They're your parents; they're the people most likely in the world to love you unconditionally no matter what you do. Move out if you think you have to but don't present it to them as a fait accompli - talk to them first and prepare them. At some point you might be grateful for their support.
 
FearFactor, I'm a bit late to this thread, but it sounds as if it went fairly well. Although you don't want to talk to your mum and dad, they seem to have taken it well. It's understandable that they want to talk about it, and at least you know they're happy to talk about if and when you ever need to with them. I know it's hideously awkward though.

Seriously, I think it went pretty well, and at least you don't have to worry about telling them any more. That's the hardest bit.
 
It seems like the issue here isn't so much about you being gay, but more the seemingly poor relationship you have with your parents.

Gay or straight, when your 18 you're going to want to be your own guy and lead your own life. But try not to get too mad at your parents for wanting to be part of that.

This may sound like a cliche - but at the end of the day your parents are the only people in this world who really care about you. You may not realise it now (I didn't fully appreciate this when I was 18), but it's the truth. Friends come and go, boyfriends/girlfriends will generally come and go, but good parents (as yours seem to be) will only leave you when they leave this earth. When you start to encounter serious adversity in your life, you'll begin to realise this.

I hadn't had a great relationship with my parents (especially my mum) for most of my teenage years (who does?), but when I went through some difficult times, they were there for me.

Try not to alienate your parents. Even if you don't have a great relationship with them, it seems like they do love you. Be your own man, but try to keep them a part of your life.

I'm sure this period is difficult for you, but the constant rejections you seem to be giving them are probably really hurting them.
 
vniow said:
This is exactly what I hate about the words homo/bisexual. It makes people think that all people like us do is screw all the time. :rolleyes:
See, and here I thought obeygiant just wanted details.

Anyway, it sounds like your parents are trying to come to terms with everything and it's just awkward for them. Shouldn't be, but that's society for you. They are trying, but I'm sure that doesn't help, because the more they try to help you (and reassure themselves) the more awkward it makes it for you. I know that you know they're just trying to be nice, which makes it even harder for you, and you're also still angry about the invasion of privacy, but this is probably hard for them. They don't know what to do, and the more they push, the more you want to run away because you don't want to deal with it. It could have gone worse, but it could have gone better, so just let them know that you are still kind of dealing and figuring things out, so you'd rather not think about it right now and REALLY aren't ready to talk to them about it. If you say it nice enough and explain things, I'm sure they'll understand. They just don't know what to do and worry about you and aren't getting that you're uncomfortable, so gently explain it to them so you can all move on and deal.

Parents don't always get the whole privacy/uncomfortable boundaries thing, especially when they're worried about you for whatever reason. Not saying it's right, but as others have said it could have been worse. They are trying. I know that doesn't make you feel any better about how pushy they are, but I'm sure they mean well and if you understand that, it's harder to be mad. More just frustrated and uncomfortable, which you already feel (and I'm sure so do they), but that's perfectly reasonable.

You're going to have to talk to them about it eventually though, just let them know (nicely) that you want to wait until it's on your terms and when you're ready, which you aren't yet.
 
exeterbohemian said:
i am indeed.

(then again, i'm also the pianist and the bassist and the drummer and the vocalist). :cool:

Well if you are not creeped out by it, we ought to grab a bite of rsomething one evening. I'm close - and I'd love to see your musical instruments. PM me if you are interested. I always like making new friends. :)
 
I feel all screwed up. I feel the only way I can deal with this is to distance myself from them. But how do I do this and yet keep them a part of my life. Aren't these opposites?

I don't get privacy. My mum or dad don't knock before coming in my room. My mum sometimes knocks but she knocks as she is opening the door, rather than her knocking and me saying 'come in'. She asks me too many questions about stuff that doesn't really matter. I don't want to discuss every detail of my life with them. They don't get it at all. Something I thought I should mention - I have two younger brothers (6 and 3) and my mum still suffers from postnatal depression from when she had my 3 year old brother. She is on antidepressants. She has put on a lot of weight. My Dad is self employed, works a lot of hours and I don't think my Dad loves my mum as much because she has put on weight and money is tight etc. My Dad is also stressed a lot.
 
I'm sorry, buddy, but you're being a selfish dick.

You are placing your own embarrassment/unwillingness to deal with your sexuality in front of your folks interest in understainding you and your life.

My mom died when I was 16, my dad died when I was 35. They're gone and I can never get them back.

Grow the eff up.
 
Sorry but your don't know me. You don't know what I'm like. I am really shy, under confident and have low self esteem. Only recently after much persuation and the like have I started socialising for the first time - at almost 19. Maybe you can get to grips with things better or deal with them better but I can't. I feel I can't handle this, I don't know why, but I'm not ready for this.

Sorry about your losses.
 
FearFactor47 said:
Sorry but your don't know me. You don't know what I'm like. I am really shy, under confident and have low self esteem. Only recently after much persuation and the like have I started socialising for the first time - at almost 19. Maybe you can get to grips with things better or deal with them better but I can't. I feel I can't handle this, I don't know why, but I'm not ready for this.

Sorry about your losses.

Hey, I didn't come out of the closet until I was almost 30.

I'm really under confident, shy and have low self-esteem, too.

I guess I should have put it more lightly, (sorry, really am), but my folks pressed me just like yours did, and while I hated them for it at the time, it wasnt until they were gone tht I realized they did what they did because they loved me. I don't want you to ever have teh same regrets.

Maybe you just tell your dad and mom together (sit them down) that this is hard for you too, and you may not always have the right words to say, and you are not entirely comfortable with your knew skin, either. But please , please don't just shut them out - that's got to be killing them. :eek:
 
FearFactor47 said:
Hey I'm 18 years old and gay. I have made friends with a gay guy at my work and he has helped me a lot about being gay. We sent each other texts talking about it. Stuff about how I wish I was 'normal' and how I don't think I can tell anyone. However, my mum went through my phone - unaware to me - and read my messages that this person had sent to me. I was 50% sure she went through my messages as she new the persons name and I never mentioned them before. I never used to go out drinking but since I got my car (about a month ago) [I had a thread posted earlier - 'Car Woes'] I have gained a lot of confidence and have started going out for a drink etc with people from my work. Last night I was out until 3am - which I would never have done if it wasn't for my friend persuading me to come out and helping me. We are just friends - nothing more.

Anyway, my mum is very nosy and she keeps asking me about who I'm going out with, and she keeps asking me stuff about this person from my work. I dropped hints letting her know that I knew she went through my phone.

Today my Dad said he wanted to speak to me. He is the sort of person who respects your privacy, however I don't feel particularly close to him or my mum. I sat on his bed, him at one end, and me about a a meter and a half away from him. He asked me if I was gay and I had this rush of blood to the head, like that way you can't believe something that has happened just really did. I denied it. He asked me in a roundabout way at first 'car I expect any grandkids?'. I never answered. Eventually he asked if I was gay - and I said yes. I couldn't look at him I was holding a bottle of water and I kept playing with the cap. He then said he thought I was having a relationship with this person at my work. That let me know 100% that my mum did indeed go through my phone. I told him I wasn't comfortable with it. Everytime he said the word 'gay' it made me cringe - I couldn't believe that I had told him and that he knew. I wasn't expecting to tell him. He kept talking about it - I stood up to leave but he wouldn't let me go he told me to sit down because we need to talk about it. I sat down, further away and looking at the floor or out the window. I said 'It's not my fault I'm gay, OK?' he said that there was nothing wrong with it and he asked me who's fault it was. I told him no ones fault. THen he started going on about 'safety' and treating me like an idiot. 'No matter how good looking someone is or if it's a gay or straight guy they can have HIV' and he advised me to start carrying condoms in my wallet. Ugh.

I feel sick. I know it sounds as if it went well but I wasn't ready to tell him. I can't believe this has all came out. I don't think I can talk to him anymore knowing he knows. He said he will let my mum know at some point and she will probably want to talk to me about it. But I don't want to talk about it.

Has anything like this happened to you? What should I do? :(

I don't know what to say, other than I'm sure i'm next in line for confrontation...
 
And also, how do parents react to the news? I really have no idea, and I'm afraid that the worst would happen, i.e. no help with college and a complete series of disowning. What normally happens? I already have a steady, serious boyfriend, but we're both in the same parental position, and we love eachother very much. Help??:confused:
 
kildraik said:
And also, how do parents react to the news? I really have no idea, and I'm afraid that the worst would happen, i.e. no help with college and a complete series of disowning. What normally happens? I already have a steady, serious boyfriend, but we're both in the same parental position, and we love eachother very much. Help??:confused:

I think what normally happens is the parents are understanding and love you no matter what. I say tell your parents, they may even already suspect it.
 
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