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I'm pretty sure this was not in OS/2. I was an OS/2 user for almost 10 years and I never saw this. All of OS/2's icons were displayed at a single size, determined by the video driver (typically 32x32 for low resolutions or 40x40 for high resolutions. OS/2 1.3 used 64x64 for high resolutions.)

Being an OS/2 user from the 2.1 version up to eComStation i don't recall anything close to different icon sizes, aside from the normal/big ones... It did have animated icons as far as i remember... And a AmigaOS friend used to brag about the different icon sizes all the time, nowadays he's a diehard windows fan... how times change...
 
Presented for you consideration...

Imagine a *large* transparent icon where the click mask doesn't match the transparency.

Imagine placing it onto of other icons.

Imagine if it does something nefarious when opened.

At present any icon represented over 32x32 (perhaps the 48x48 is like 32x32 as well) has its click mask calculated based on the alpha channel of the image. Thus a transparent icon would be just that: transparent. You couldn't click on it unless you clicked on the text label underneath it.
 
Look again. The collection of icons in the sketch do not give a cue to the third dimension. It features MacOS 8 application, document and folder icons of different sizes. However, the folders are of different sizes and orientations. Although it may be possible to use this this technique to simulate cues to the third dimension, it will take a lot more refinement than is displayed in the patent application. There was no attempt to do so here.

True, but if I was Apple trying to hide a secret feature I'd obscure the patent filing as much as possible, even make it look like my old OS, but still protect my legal right to the idea/invention. Not saying that's what's been done, but that's what I'd do. I can see how this effect might be applied to Spotlight in Finder windows, just like the flashlight effect is used in System Prefs.
 
I was thinking that what if you held down shift-option and your cursor would change into a pinching hand and you could drag and make the icon grow in size from the center and out. That would be soooo smooth. Imaging freaking your friends out with that one. I remember that Jaguar had a secret feature on the desktop where you could have multi sized icons.

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/19699

Does not work in Panther or Tiger but, if Apple does it, then it would work in Leopard!
 
I think the headline's a little misleading, my immediate thought was "AmigaOS" too. Changing it to "Individual icons dynamically sized" would probably be more descriptive.

Interestingly, it is an extension of an unrelated Amiga concept. The Amiga allowed files to not have icons at all. From AmigaOS 2 onwards, files with icons were displayed by default, and files without them were only shown if you selected "Window->View->All Files" from the menu. Generally, user created folders and documents had icons, whereas less important files didn't.

How is this related? Well, in practice, despite its origins as a disk saving hack, it made it easier to identify important files. Generally, the applications you'd want to run had icons. The word processor documents you wanted to open had icons. Things you needed had icons, the others didn't clutter your desktop unless you needed to see them.

And in that respect, I think that's the intention here. Your own files, representing stuff you work on every day, will have large icons. The metric butt-load of downloaded PDFs, application installers, etc, you download from the Internet will have much smaller ones. Stuff batch downloaded from your digital camera will appear, but it will be assumed you actually just want to see them in iPhoto, not your file system.

It's a much more spacial approach than the Amiga's (which isn't surprising because it's actually had some thought put into it in terms of "How is this useful", as opposed to the Amiga's "Damn it, the developers aren't giving icons to every file" rationale, that ended up being accidentally a really good thing.) But... therein lies the problem. If it's spacial, will it stand much chance of appearing in a modern Finder?

To elaborate, later versions of AmigaOS allowed each filetype to be defined with a default icon so even if an icon is not specifically made for a file, it can use the default one. Like all Amiga icons, the default can be made any size. So, for example all text file icons can be 400x400 and all folders 10x10 if you want. It doesn't even have to be consistent - 10 text files could each have different sized icons if you make individual icons. The great thing about AmigaOS is that every single icon for every single file, folder or application can be customized - in whatever size you want.

The icons are just not dynamically sizeable and I think that's what this patent is about.
 
Not to sidestep the topic, but could this possibly lead to a dock-like feature where items within an open finder window magnify as you pass the mouse over them?
 
Interesting feature. Is it just me, or do the windows in the patent look like Mac OS 8/9 style windows?

One feature I'd like to see is a smart copy. That is, if you copy an item to a folder which has an item of the same name, it'll choose one of thse options:
-if they're the same file, justone is newer,use the new one (but be able to use the old version just in case)
-if it's the exact same file, ignore it
-if they're different files, just w/ the same name, add a "1" or something to the end of one of the items

I often get the "An item already exists with that name, do you want to replace?" message and it's really annoying.
 
I think it would be cool to resize them, to just select it, then hit control+scroll, on the icon or whatever you have it set to.:cool:
 
Based on mode?

I could see it being useful if you could change what gets large icons and what gets small ones based on what mode (or maybe what mood) you're in... If you're in Graphic Design Mode, then make icons for images larger. If you're in Office mode, then have text and Word documents larger, etc... Maybe it'll be "while you're in a window, if you want to temp use it, press a certain key (combo)".

Perhaps setting up modes could be similar to setting up Spotlight custom searches?

Regardless, if it comes to exist and you don't like it, I'm sure you can turn it off. It cracks me up how some people act as if Apple would be forcing this upon you with no option but to use it.
 
Piles

Thinking about it, the concept would work well in co-op with the piles interface. On second though, the whole idea of different sized icons is nothing new and wouldn't need a special mention to be incorporated into Piles....or would it?

And yes, I do fantasize about multitouch :apple:'s...
 
To elaborate, later versions of AmigaOS allowed each filetype to be defined with a default icon so even if an icon is not specifically made for a file, it can use the default one. Like all Amiga icons, the default can be made any size. So, for example all text file icons can be 400x400 and all folders 10x10 if you want. It doesn't even have to be consistent - 10 text files could each have different sized icons if you make individual icons. The great thing about AmigaOS is that every single icon for every single file, folder or application can be customized - in whatever size you want.

The icons are just not dynamically sizeable and I think that's what this patent is about.

That's not really what I was talking about. What I was saying was that the Amiga's failure to display files with icons by default became a useful feature (when Workbench 2 onward added the ability to "View All Files") because it made it easier to see "important" files without being bothered by system, etc, files, with those files visible if you actually needed to see them.

That's the supposed application of this feature. The idea is to use different sized icons (as opposed to icons that become visible if you select an option but are otherwise hidden by default) to distinguish between important (to the user) files, and files that are just there.

The Amiga's ability to display icons that have different sizes is a coincidence, and doesn't really have anything to do with the use of the functionality described here. Rather, the use of the functionality is closer to that of the "No .info, no default visibility" feature of Workbench.
 
I would not read too much into the GUI they use to represent the patent. Lawyers tend to use a standard templates in patent applications so not to reveal too much information about the exact nature of how the patent maybe implemented.
 
I like the theory behind this patent, but how to implement the resizing of icons intuitively, that's the hard part.

System control panel or Finder preferences would have options for setting icon sizes globally or on a per-Window basis (just like icon size settings are now.) It might also include more dynamic options like "more recently edited are bigger" or "applications are bigger" or whatever. Additionally, you can right-click on an individual icon which shows a contextual menu with a slider embedded that allows you to override the system-wide settings for a given single icon or group of selected icons.
 
What's with the System 7 design of the patent? Was this an idea they came up with years ago but are just now deciding to use?
 
Can people READ here? Stop thinking this is
a) Something new
b) Something that will come in Leopard

This was an EXPERIMENTAL feature that was already implemented in early versions of OS X as far back as 10.0 and then subsequently dropped completely. It will probably never return as it made things more complicated, not less.
 
Can people READ here? Stop thinking this is
a) Something new
b) Something that will come in Leopard

This was an EXPERIMENTAL feature that was already implemented in early versions of OS X as far back as 10.0 and then subsequently dropped completely. It will probably never return as it made things more complicated, not less.

Where can we see that in 10.0? Plus why such a recent patent date and not in 2001 when Mac OS X was first released?
 
Where can we see that in 10.0? Plus why such a recent patent date and not in 2001 when Mac OS X was first released?

Read the thread and your questions will be answered.

The patent application is originally from 2000. This is simply a divisional patent application derived from that one.
 
Nautilus for Gnome has this

Eazel created a file manager for Gnome back during the internet bubble that has this feature, plus icons with text previews. It is now part of Gnome. Interestingly, Eazel was founded by Andy Hertzfeld, a core team member for the original 1984 Mac:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eazel
 
This feature is already in Mac OS X 10.3.

A developer made an application that allowed you to customize the layout, it was really, really nice. However it was buggy.

Then in Mac OS X 10.4 the technology was taken out. Maybe they will bring it back in Leopard.
 
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