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I'd have though the optimum system would be to have one display for editing and a separate display for "serious" preview with (a) no distractions and (b) the exact refresh rate and resolution of the target format.

Having a higher resolution “display for editing” means that one can see a higher resolution image in the timeline view when editing. Editors do not usually have monitoring displays (displays for just the output image). That is more common for Colorists and those producing DCI or Blu-ray masters.
 
I'd have though the optimum system would be to have one display for editing and a separate display for "serious" preview with (a) no distractions and (b) the exact refresh rate and resolution of the target format.
For video yes (though even there the input material might be 5.5 to 6K), for photography, most cameras from the last decade can fill that 6K display.
 
Yes, its an LCD computer display rather than an LCD watch or an LCD TV or an LCD sound system (oh, wait, no, that's a band).
Sweet Jeebus. :eek: Adding "computer" makes it even worse: liquid crystal display computer display.
How about "LCD monitor" - but then, in this context, 'monitor' is a synonym for 'display'.
How about simply IPS LCD? Doesn't that convey everything the original Apple copy intended to convey? There's no need for the superfluous display or monitor. It's the XDR page. We know it's a display/monitor.
Now, if an Apple store put several of them in a glass case, would that be a
"Liquid Crystal Display display display"...?
or LCD's ;):D

I know we're all joking, but it's surprising that Apple has left that error on their website so long.
Even funnier fact, there's even a name for the phenomenon: RAS syndrome. Funniest fact of all: RAS stands for Redundant Acronym Syndrome, and yes RAS syndrome is very intentional.
 
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From the graphic posted, it doesn't look like the Pro Display XDR beat the Dell U3219Q 4K in the Adobe RGB color gamut testing.


Fair to say none of you read the article then as this was discussed in the very first paragraph. LOL.
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I hope you are aware that this XDR product isn’t worth buying and it scores 2/10 in terms of value.


Other than all the industry experts concede it replaces $40-50K monitors. LOL.
 
Those pictures where taken before the 10.15.3 in which Apple greatly reduced that very issue and will continue improve it in the future:

Compare the scenes from "Gravity" in this video that shows the scene before and after the update


1:37 vs 2:32

The difference is pretty big

That is MUCH MUCH better. Looking forward to see updated reviews on it.
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I hope you are aware that this XDR product isn’t worth buying and it scores 2/10 in terms of value.

No No, that was not the point. Purely from a value Perspective it is pretty much market price of a Professional Monitor. You have more affordable variant from ASUS, and higher priced variant from Eizo. Apple somewhat sits at the middle.

The Pro XDR is not a Reference Monitor doesn't make it 2/10 value. It may be for consumers, but it was never aimed at consumer for the first place.
 
The NEC pro level 30" monitors are 99.3% Adobe RGB, come with calibration system built in, and are less than 1/2 the price of the XDR.
 
it does what it does good enough
but at a very steep price
But it’s not a steep price for those who want its quality. For them it’s a steal.

The open question is with the calibration that’s yet to come, is it sufficient for a colorist or for use as a mastering monitor.
 
How about Liquid Crystal Device? LCD display. Sort of like PDF which was originally Portable Document File and then became Portable Document Format. :) It is funny though it took me a moment to spot the issue, despite the highlight, as I do not even think of it as an acronym any more. Nice catch.
My favorite similar quirk of language, and I can’t remember who i heard say it, was “The Los Angeles Angels, or The The Angels Angels if you’re even mildly bilingual...”
 
From the graphic posted, it doesn't look like the Pro Display XDR beat the Dell U3219Q 4K in the Adobe RGB color gamut testing.

Not just the graphic. If they had actually read the article, it said as much:

"However, it was surprising to see the monitor get beat on this test by what is almost strictly a business-centric display, the Dell U3219Q, with its Adobe RGB reading of 98.1 percent"
 
Not too sure how PC Mag explain that as "Does Exactly What It Sets Out To"

Not Really the "Reference" Monitor most people or video professionals refers to. Honestly I dont think anyone even expect it to be, but many expect it to be close, and it is not. But still a damn good Monitor.

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The Flanders Scientific displays you posted an image to are also $47,500 list price.
 
So you’re saying apple misread its target market and produced a monitor nobody wants?

No, Apple hit it's target perfectly - owners of new Mac Pros who wanted a 5K+ monitor that matched its styling and had reasonable specs. Rather than offer that and leave a few thousand on the table Apple instead gave them an over-engineered and over-spec'd monitor they don't need but had no real choice to not buy.
 
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I saw a few concepts floating around of what could be more reasonable price and for people who used a MAC PRO but don't need more than Apple 5K display.

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No, Apple hit it's target perfectly - owners of new Mac Pros who wanted a 5K+ monitor that matched its styling and had reasonable specs. Rather than offer that and leave a few thousand on the table Apple instead gave them an over-engineered and over-spec'd monitor they don't need but had no real choice to not buy.

Agreed. Apple just slightly over-spec and substantially increase the price.
 
No, Apple hit it's target perfectly - owners of new Mac Pros who wanted a 5K+ monitor that matched its styling and had reasonable specs. Rather than offer that and leave a few thousand on the table Apple instead gave them an over-engineered and over-spec'd monitor they don't need but had no real choice to not buy.
It doesn’t seem like it’s either over-specced or over-engineered.
 
The Flanders Scientific displays you posted an image to are also $47,500 list price.

So? When Apple launched the XDR they claimed that it was competitive with a $43,000 Sony 4k reference display (the reference is in the PCMag review). Lots of people on MR have used the 'but it can replace a $50k display' to justify the price of the XDR.

The reality seems to be "close - but no cigar" (because even a 500-dimming-zone display isn't going to match a dual-layer LCD with, effectively, 4k dimming zones) - and anybody even contemplating a $40k display is, by definition, very interested in that cigar.. As people have often said about the Mac Pro itself - $40k for a bit of kit isn't necessarily a big deal for the Real True Industry Pros this is aimed at.

However, yes, its 6k - with loads of real-estate. In that respect, its a pity that the review didn't include the $3000 Dell 8k, the LG Ultrafine 5k and maybe an ultrawide option.
 
It doesn’t seem like it’s either over-specced or over-engineered.

Of course it's over-specced and over-engineered for people who just want an iMac 5k screen styled to match the Mac Pro. Same as the Mac Pro is over-specced and over-engineered* for those of us who just want a Mac with a swappable GPU and a couple of spare PCIe slots for extra USBs. Except the base Mac Pro which is under-specced and over-engineered.

The infamous $1000 stand, for starters, is almost the definition of over-engineering (especially since the non-fawning reviews say that it isn't that great) but even if you dismiss that as optional, look at the mounting mechanism: Apple had one job to do: incorporate 4 threaded VESA-spec bolt holes into the back of the case, because a big chunk of their target market will want to use custom (& possibly pre-existing) VESA mounts. Instead, we get a complex proprietary magnetic doodad that needs a $200 adapter just to add VESA boltholes (If someone needs a quick-release mount, guess what? quick-release VESA mounts are available).


* Even the "classic" Mac Pro - which was already built like the proverbial brick outhouse - didn't resort to having PCIe slot covers machined from solid aluminium... on the other hand you could take the cover off without having to unplug all the cables and it didn't have switches and ports on the top so you couldn't access them if the machine was under a desk... etc.
 
Lots of people on MR have used the 'but it can replace a $50k display' to justify the price of the XDR.

Who are these lots of people? I've seen posts referencing/comparing the XDR to the Flanders (for example), but not a one that said it could *replace* it. They're very different displays. With very different prices and features.
 
Who are these lots of people?
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I've seen posts referencing/comparing the XDR to the Flanders (for example), but not a one that said it could *replace* it.

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Apple is charging a minimum of $4,999 for this display, which sounds outrageous, but it is a display for professional use and when it comes to the quality and the feature set, it is a solid deal and competitively priced compared to other pro-level monitors.

Reference monitors used by Hollywood studios for TV and film editing, for example, can cost five times more than the Pro Display XDR with the same specs as the Pro Display XDR.

...and that's from a front page MacRumors story, not to mention all the times the argument has been trotted out in the forums when someone has challenged the price.

To be fair, they didn't actually say "replace" they just compared the price and specs of two random, unrelated, things for no adequately explored reason....
 
Fair to say none of you read the article then as this was discussed in the very first paragraph. LOL.
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Other than all the industry experts concede it replaces $40-50K monitors. LOL.

You're right, I didn't since I figured someone got paid at MacRumors to write this article and convey factual information. Instead they wrote:

"In Adobe RGB color gamut testing, relevant for content creation tasks, the Pro Display XDR had what PCMag says is an "excellent" result of 96.7 percent coverage. Comparatively, the Pro Display XDR beat out the Acer Predator X35, the ASUS Rog Strix XG438Q, the Dell U3219Q 4K, and the Razer Raptor 27..."

Which I took as the XDR beating out the Dell U3219Q in that specific test, which it does not.
 
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