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I used to have a pebble steel, and the horrible design and implementation made me sell it. What a horrible product, not to mention the two month long delay to ship it. This doesn't look much better. Happy to buy the Apple Watch in a month, where I know I'm going to get a reliable device.

Yeah, good luck with that 12 hr battery life against the Pebbles 7 days. :rolleyes:
 
You also might not like a Rolex.

Possibly true, but then there's always Omega, Breitling, A. Lange & Söhne, Breguet, JLC...and I'm sure that a lot of them would not suit your tastes either. Horses for courses, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
 
great product, has some cool casio feeling going on!

and before buying apple's watch i would buy a JUNGHANS MAX BILL anytime - and that's where johnny ive and steve jobs got their inspirations from: BAUHAUS, HfG ULM, BRAUN. even ios 7 was strongly influenced by HfG ULM design language of OTL AICHER.
 
Stop assuming that people buy things for the exact same reason you do.

I'm not assuming anything. My point is that people choose things that are not well designed, knowing full well that choices like this are driven by other factors, such as function, price, brand, etc.

There are lots of companies that have produced mediocre, at best, designs that consumers buy anyway, but that doesn't mean it has to, or should, be that way.

General Motors is a great example, where for decades they produced very poorly designed cars / trucks, but they still sold millions of them. They didn't have to have crummy plastic interiors with horrible "velour" fabrics and switchgear that was designed in the early '70's, but that is exactly what they made until Honda and Toyota (and others) ate their lunch by offering much higher quality, better designed products.

Steve Jobs overarching thought about good design went back to their initial circuit boards, where he wanted to make them "look good", even though for all intents and purposes it shouldn't matter how a bunch of circuits and wires look.

From a physiological point of view, humans (and many animals) naturally are attracted to things of beauty, which you could equate to things that are well designed. That's a proven fact. We make compromises because we have to, including choosing items that are not exactly good designs.

I get the sense that Pebble has not invested in a design team with any experience in the watch or jewelry industry, because even old school digital watch companies like Casio produce better designed watches that easily could be converted into the same functionality that Pebble offers. Perhaps that is their MO - to sell their tech to an existing watch company, so they are not spending any money on design?
 
So in the video it mentioned that the original and steel pebbles will get time line. So does that mean that my watch will have the same interface just no color and no microphone?
 
Put a preorder down (as thats what this is essentially, heh). Love my original Pebble. Colour screen, even if it's just 64 colours, week-long battery life and water resistance is all I need in my next smartwatch and why I can't even consider the Apple Watch.

Pretty much my words exactly and I love Apple. Is the Apple Watch water resistant? In my opinion, something revolving around fitness better be able to withstand the active environment it will thrive in.
I'm actually thinking I'm going to buy the older model still. My friend has one and it is GREAT. I like how it is not too intrusive and offers quick little notifications without having to fiddle with the phone unless I want to respond or whatnot. If Apple's watch is going to start at $300-$400 -- a big IF -- then I'm seriously going to go out and buy a Pebble for $100. 7-day battery life?! Even at (probably a more realistic) 5 days, that's really good.

We shall see what happens...
 
I don't even get this comment because I think the Apple watch looks pretty crappy. I also do not like the UI.

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They have stated that they are much further along with the project this time around and I imagine that they learned an awful lot in the lifecycle of the first Pebble (a you forgetting that they had to adapt from the plan to make a few thousand Pebbles locally in the US to establishing a manufacturing base in at least 2 asian countries?). They are unlikely to make the same mistakes twice.
Really not much to get, it's plainly obvious, Apple is form over function mostly and people like him fall for it.
 
Really not much to get, it's plainly obvious, Apple is form over function mostly and people like him fall for it.

Speaking of form over function, who has time to make hundreds of disparaging comments on a forum celebrating the products of a company they don't approve of?
 
I'm not assuming anything. My point is that people choose things that are not well designed, knowing full well that choices like this are driven by other factors, such as function, price, brand, etc.

There are lots of companies that have produced mediocre, at best, designs that consumers buy anyway, but that doesn't mean it has to, or should, be that way.

General Motors is a great example, where for decades they produced very poorly designed cars / trucks, but they still sold millions of them. They didn't have to have crummy plastic interiors with horrible "velour" fabrics and switchgear that was designed in the early '70's, but that is exactly what they made until Honda and Toyota (and others) ate their lunch by offering much higher quality, better designed products.

Steve Jobs overarching thought about good design went back to their initial circuit boards, where he wanted to make them "look good", even though for all intents and purposes it shouldn't matter how a bunch of circuits and wires look.

From a physiological point of view, humans (and many animals) naturally are attracted to things of beauty, which you could equate to things that are well designed. That's a proven fact. We make compromises because we have to, including choosing items that are not exactly good designs.

I get the sense that Pebble has not invested in a design team with any experience in the watch or jewelry industry, because even old school digital watch companies like Casio produce better designed watches that easily could be converted into the same functionality that Pebble offers. Perhaps that is their MO - to sell their tech to an existing watch company, so they are not spending any money on design?

Oh please, with the way you're talking about this watch a blind person would assume it looked like the devil's asscheek and on one glance their soul would be stripped from their body.

I think it looks great, and has a modern appearance that fits the software well.

Try and "prove" me wrong.
 
I never really liked the look of the pebble, I thought the pebble steel looked pretty decent but not good enough to get it.

The pebble time looks just as bad as the first design to me and I have no interest in it at all.
 
Speaking of form over function, who has time to make hundreds of disparaging comments on a forum celebrating the products of a company they don't approve of?

Wow he's a bitter person

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Possibly true, but then there's always Omega, Breitling, A. Lange & Söhne, Breguet, JLC...and I'm sure that a lot of them would not suit your tastes either. Horses for courses, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I can't help but think you missed the point. If Rolex's function is purely time telling, why would anyone buy it? Or Omega, or Tag or any of the other top brands? A watch is not only for providing the time. It is jewelry. As is the Pebble and the Apple Watch. That purpose is what sells it.
 
Apple watch is way better than this piece of ****. Let's be real here, Apple watch has a retina display, beautiful design, even tho it has an at least day of use, it has so much features and potential! It has a heart rate monitor ! Tho the Moto x and other android watches look wat better, it's not like you can't even use it with an iPhone.
 
Apple watch is way better than this piece of ****. Let's be real here, Apple watch has a retina display, beautiful design, even tho it has an at least day of use, it has so much features and potential! It has a heart rate monitor ! Tho the Moto x and other android watches look wat better, it's not like you can't even use it with an iPhone.

The Apple watch costs (at least) twice as much, probably only has 1/6th of the battery life even though the watch isn't always on, and only works with an iPhone. Add to that, the Pebble Time has an interface for 3rd party peripherals, which makes it even more attractive to me.

Let's be actually real here, at the end of the day, it is a personal choice. You may think the Apple watch is the better deal for you, then go for it. I already have a Pebble and have ordered the new Pebble Time, because it does what I need at a great price, and will bridge the gap until Apple offers a watch that suits my needs.
 
You also might not like a Rolex.

I like Rolex just fine. Breitling on the other hand are horrible, gaudy watches and their designers wouldn't even have a passing notion of the concept of minimalism.

The apple watch ui is terrible.... The interface elements are way too small for such a small screen, the ui is inconsistent with both iOS and OS X and the controls are inconsistent - it's got a touch screen but we have to scroll using that stupid knob.

In terms of design its way too thick. It looks terrible.

Apple have screwed up, they've tried to shrink an iPhone rather than starting with a watch and making it smarter.
 
So is hipster a good or bad thing now? FLAvour of the weak?

A profitable market is a profitable market. What I find really funny is that those who own brand-names and sell into the hipster market are the furthest from the scene. The Hipster formula goes like this.

1) Acquire the rights to an obselete brand or obscure technology.
2) Promote it via alternative / underground media.
3) Mass manufacture overseas at low cost, mass labor facilites.
4) Sell it as new / different / alternative / non-mainsteam / vintage
5) Have at least 10x margin while:
5a) undercutting the average price
- or -
5b) have it at 10x the average price making it a status symbol
6) Take in profits
7) Laugh at hipsters wearing goods you sold to them as you drive by in your hot car they can't afford with hipster girls riding with to you.

IMO, the Pebble watch is all that. I bet it costs less than $15 to make that watch in volumes at 100K units or above.
 
I like Rolex just fine. Breitling on the other hand are horrible, gaudy watches and their designers wouldn't even have a passing notion of the concept of minimalism.

The apple watch ui is terrible.... The interface elements are way too small for such a small screen, the ui is inconsistent with both iOS and OS X and the controls are inconsistent - it's got a touch screen but we have to scroll using that stupid knob.

In terms of design its way too thick. It looks terrible.

Apple have screwed up, they've tried to shrink an iPhone rather than starting with a watch and making it smarter.

My take is they are not screwing up but placing the product in their typical exclusive high end place. While the Pebble is going for under $200, even the lowest end Apple Watch cannot touch that price. They are in different leagues.

When two boxers enter a ring, both take home purse money. It's the one that doesn't make it into the fight whom looses. In this case, Android Wear is really suffering from the Pebble Time launch and not the Apple Watch.
 
I like Rolex just fine. Breitling on the other hand are horrible, gaudy watches and their designers wouldn't even have a passing notion of the concept of minimalism.

The apple watch ui is terrible.... The interface elements are way too small for such a small screen, the ui is inconsistent with both iOS and OS X and the controls are inconsistent - it's got a touch screen but we have to scroll using that stupid knob.

In terms of design its way too thick. It looks terrible.

Apple have screwed up, they've tried to shrink an iPhone rather than starting with a watch and making it smarter.

So, you can accept that your impression of the Apple Watch design is not superior to anyone else's?

How hard is it for you to work on the Apple watch throughout the day? Oh right, you don't own one and cannot make a fair judgment on it's usefulness yet.
 
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