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If Pebble wants control over their software, perhaps they should design and build a phone and ecosystem to connect it to. Until then, suck it up and deal with the fact you are building products that rely on a direct competitor's products.

I guess you should tell that to every App developer out there. Do you think Apple will give you a free Apple Watch just for your loyalty?




You are confusing the update for old Pebble watch with the new Pebble time app. The old one is still in review and has been for 44 days. The new one was approved on may 18th but Pebble decided not to let it out with a newly discovered bug. They fixed the bug and resubmitted on may 22nd with a request for fast track status due to their eminent hardware release. In their previous experience, the fast-track process only lasted 24 hrs. This experience has been a bit different... Hence the call for supporters to write to apple and ask for the app to be released. Also the average review time is supposedly only 10 days. We are at day 13.


Thank you, nice to see someone else who gets it.
 
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We are all obviously Apple fans to an extent, or else we wouldn't be on this website after all. But to defend Apple 100% without giving some weight to the fact that Pebble's original update has been in limbo for over 40 days is ridiculous. Even if for some reason these times are a little above average Apple should have moved to push Pebble through the process faster so this bad press doesn't come out. Pebble is in the right to make some waves to try to move things forward. Just look at the amount of press they've gotten in the past 2 days.

My question is why did Pebble use a screenshot from 7th May for their claim about the original app? Why not one more recent. They could have had another resubmission in there, like the Pebble Tine app, which then causes the app to go to the back of the app review process and start again. It seems that Pebble are being manipulative. Only providing proof that suits them.

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Also, since their willing to show screenshots, show us that they actually requested an expedited review. Show us an up to date screenshot of the original app that's supposedly still stuck. If that shows no actual progression, then Apple should be brought to task.

Expedited reviews are not guaranteed and do not always happen quickly. There's many factors that hinder it. It's not just a Pebble targeted thing.

http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/124124/expedite-ios-app-review-to-less-than-24-hours

Pebble are deliberately manipulating the public too, as they know fine well they don't have to accuse Apple. Just seed it and watch the anti Apple brigade go off on a rant. Anyone that thinks otherwise is being naive.

Also the average review time is supposedly only 10 days. We are at day 13.

Key word there being average, not definitive. Apps can take up to 3-4 weeks. Additionally, it is 10 on average, but it has been increasing over the last couple weeks, going from 8 to 10 in that period, with it increasing as we get closer to WWDC.
 
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Pebble are deliberately manipulating the public too, as they know fine well they don't have to accuse Apple. Just seed it and watch the anti Apple brigade go off on a rant. Anyone that thinks otherwise is being naive.

You sound like Fox News. Just throwing out accusation and innuendo as if it were fact.
 
If Pebble wants control over their software, perhaps they should design and build a phone and ecosystem to connect it to. Until then, suck it up and deal with the fact you are building products that rely on a direct competitor's products.

"If Netscape wants an fair and competive market, perhaps they should design and build a replacement for Windows. Until then, suck it up and deal with the fact you are building products that rely on a direct competitors products."

Do you happen to remember how that little game turned out for Microsoft? Hint: not well.
 
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You are confusing the update for old Pebble watch with the new Pebble time app. The old one is still in review and has been for 44 days. The new one was approved on may 18th but Pebble decided not to let it out with a newly discovered bug. They fixed the bug and resubmitted on may 22nd with a request for fast track status due to their eminent hardware release. In their previous experience, the fast-track process only lasted 24 hrs. This experience has been a bit different... Hence the call for supporters to write to apple and ask for the app to be released. Also the average review time is supposedly only 10 days. We are at day 13.

Expedited app reviews are only granted for critical bug fixes on currently released versions of apps. Since that version of the app was not released yet, it does not affect any users, and is therefore not "critical" anymore.

Current review times are very backed up. My latest update that was approved last week took 13 days, and was also denied expedited review (I used the reason of "time-sensitive event" since it included changes from a patch).

My initial version in April... I found a critical bug during the review process. I rejected my app (just like Pebble) and resubmitted the fixed version... And had to wait at the back of the line again.

Everyone accusing Apple of bullying Pebble, you're just being ridiculous. App review times just plain suck more than usual right now. For everyone. That's all there is to it.
 
Expedited app reviews are only granted for critical bug fixes on currently released versions of apps. Since that version of the app was not released yet, it does not affect any users, and is therefore not "critical" anymore.

Current review times are very backed up. My latest update that was approved last week took 13 days, and was also denied expedited review (I used the reason of "time-sensitive event" since it included changes from a patch).

My initial version in April... I found a critical bug during the review process. I rejected my app (just like Pebble) and resubmitted the fixed version... And had to wait at the back of the line again.

Everyone accusing Apple of bullying Pebble, you're just being ridiculous. App review times just plain suck more than usual right now. For everyone. That's all there is to it.

I forgot about that fact for expedited reviews. What's funny is that Pebble could have released that app, then submitted the bug fix for review, requesting expedited and probably granted it. But again, Pebble screw up and are now trying to use Apple as an easy scapegoat.

So many people are ignoring the basic facts in your post.

All the people that keep going back to the other Pebble app are missing the fact that we don't know if Pebble rejected again, if Apple had contacted them with any issues or whatever. Pebble have chosen not to show any screenshots for that App since 7th May, so we don't know. There might be valid reasons and Pebble are witholding, simply so they can paint Apple in a bad light. Sometimes I think these reviews should be more open, so anyone can see the stages, then we'd see who's right.
 
It appears that both Pebble apps were approved and released today, and are currently propagating through the app store regional servers. iTunes Link
 
Pebble Software is junk anyway. Next time they should make sure their app is published before sending out THEIR hardware.
 
So, the Pebble Time app was approved within normal timeframes. Watch the anti Apple people claim 'Apple succumbed to social media pressure', etc. yawn.

Expecting that apple would give an expedited review is a bit foolish, but I've never had an app sit in review for as long as the original Pebble app sat there. That seems kind of strange to me still and the fact that it the review was finished and approved a few days after these stories started to hit MacRumors, TheVerge, Engadget, etc seems to point that they did succumb to media pressure.

The fact of the matter is that putting an app into review is a convoluted process and it's a crapshoot sometimes on what they allow or don't allow. I don't know if this is a lack of training or lack of standards but I've had apps get rejected for things after having that functionality for years, and when submitting again they go through fine. I also had an app get featured which had an issue with foreign numbers (someone in our company parsed on a period when other countries use commas, basically) and it caused a crash. We requested an expedited review with a fix and it was rejected. We asked our apple rep who handled the feature, and he put it through to get reviewed immediately since it was featured. The app reviewers sat on the patch for 12 days after it went into review. The message was clear, they thought we were trying to go over their heads, and they punished us for it. It seems to be kind of a fiefdom problem if you ask me.
 
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So, the Pebble Time app was approved within normal timeframes. Watch the anti Apple people claim 'Apple succumbed to social media pressure', etc. yawn.

So one app waits 43 days and another waits 13 days and then both get approved at the same time immediately after this ends up in the media? Really? That's your story? :rolleyes:

Even if you don't think Apple was delaying the release of the apps on purpose it's obvious someone at Apple saw this news and gave someone in the approval team a kick up the bum to avoid even the appearance of impropriety given the government scrutiny they are under at the moment.
 
So one app waits 43 days and another waits 13 days and then both get approved at the same time immediately after this ends up in the media? Really? That's your story? :rolleyes:

Even if you don't think Apple was delaying the release of the apps on purpose it's obvious someone at Apple saw this news and gave someone in the approval team a kick up the bum to avoid even the appearance of impropriety given the government scrutiny they are under at the moment.

So, despite many people saying they have apps approved in 14 days or so, you're gonna attribute this to a social media win? I was wrong to unblock you.

You have a go at me saying I'm blindly supporting and making wild accusations, but have you read your own posts?! Hypocrite....

Again, in regards to the other app that was supposedly stuck for 43 days, it's still odd that Pebble were willing to show screenshots of the app review process for the Pebble time as of the other day, but they picked a screenshot over a month old for the other app. Which could mean they were hiding something. Maybe Pebble rejected the approved app, like the Pebble Time one, resubmitted at the same time as they resubmitted the Pebble Time bug fix. That's a more likely explanation than 'Apple succumbed to Social media'.

Mind you, that's too sensible and logical for you and your anti Apple views.
 
you're gonna attribute this to a social media win? I was wrong to unblock you.

Firstly, given that in this day and age companies almost constantly monitor social media and do care about the public relations issues associated with this, why is it so hard to believe that this played a part?

Besides, I have no reason to believe they are lying about the other app being 43 days, it makes no sense for them to do so.

If they have a priority request in with Apple for the Pebble Time app which they desperately need released, publicly lying and saying the original app has been hung up in approval for 43 days can only hurt their chance of Apple exercising its discretion to approve their priority request.

For your version to make sense (i.e, they are lying about the original app delay) you would have to believe that either lying wouldn't hurt their chances, OR that their primary reason for publicising this isn't to get the Pebble Time app released as soon as possible, it's to embarrass Apple. Given how much is riding on this release for Pebble it makes no sense for them to risk it.
 
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"If Netscape wants an fair and competive market, perhaps they should design and build a replacement for Windows. Until then, suck it up and deal with the fact you are building products that rely on a direct competitors products."

Do you happen to remember how that little game turned out for Microsoft? Hint: not well.

Microsoft had near 100% market share. Apple doesn't even have 50%. Not even close to the same thing. There are plenty of alternatives to OS X/iOS.
 
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"Do you happen to remember how that little game turned out for Microsoft? Hint: not well.

What? How did that turn out for Microsoft? Your being serious right?
 
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What? How did that turn out for Microsoft? Your being serious right?

The way in which Microsoft dealt with Netscape led to almost unprecedented government action against them for antitrust violations both in Europe and the U.S. In the U.S. They were very close to being broken up into multiple companies and in Europe it compounded existing antitrust lawsuits from Sun Microsystems and others about interoperability and unfair use of private APIs.
 
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When I checked out the Apple Watch this weekend, I was surprised how light it was and it felt cheap, perhaps due to the lightness or the feel of the casing.
I felt if I dropped it from waist high that it would sustain serious damage.
It felt and looked like a toy. Nothing like the close up high resolution pictures I've seen.

I was also surprise how small the 42mm was. When my friend handed me his Apple Watch, I though it was the 38mm.

The lack of viewing anything on the Apple Watch LCD in sunlight was quite bad.
You had to cup your hand over the watch or get to a shaded area.

You might need to get your eyes check out, was out cycling with my 42mm SS AW here in sunny Florida. And even looking through my radar lock polarized lens, I still could read my AW display just fine and the brightness is set to medium.
 
You will enjoy it! Like I said, I loved my Pebble Steel that I've had since release. My only recommendation is to not go look at the Apple Watch for quite a while, haha ;)

I should have listened to your advice - went into Covent Garden yesterday to have a look at the Apple Watch and 3 Sports editions have now been ordered ;)

I'm comforting my wallet with the fact that I actually preferred the space grey sports to the stainless steel so it was cheaper than I expected :D
 
You might need to get your eyes check out, was out cycling with my 42mm SS AW here in sunny Florida. And even looking through my radar lock polarized lens, I still could read my AW display just fine and the brightness is set to medium.
Well, may be we need to wear polarized sunglasses to help filter some of the glare to look at the Apple Watch in sunlight?

We all know sunglasses help look at items in sunlight... right?
 
Well, may be we need to wear polarized sunglasses to help filter some of the glare to look at the Apple Watch in sunlight?

We all know sunglasses help look at items in sunlight... right?

Yes the polarized lens is for helping with glare, but even without them i can still read my AW display just fine.
 
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