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Performance / brand of SSD in new Macbook Pro
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I received my 2 MBPs (finally).
Both 512GB SSDs are Toshiba THNS512GG8BBAA.
I can post some pics of the drive itself if anyone cares.
Both 512GB SSDs are Toshiba THNS512GG8BBAA.
I can post some pics of the drive itself if anyone cares.
Crappy 3.2 MP camera images for now - all I had here at the office...
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that's disappointing.
I would like to see someone compare these Toshiba drives verses 3rd party ones while running os x, preferably the intel g2 drives.
Guys, lets cut down on the useless chatter in this thread and keep it to informational only.
Thanks to the early buyers, below looks to be the SSD in the new mbp, it may not be exactly the same as toshiba made a special version for apple, but performance/hardware wise should be near identical.
In conclusion, it's much better than the previous gen mbp samsung SSD but still not even close to par when compared to intel. I would skip and get the intel x-25m.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1230/1/
Thanks to the early buyers, below looks to be the SSD in the new mbp, it may not be exactly the same as toshiba made a special version for apple, but performance/hardware wise should be near identical.
In conclusion, it's much better than the previous gen mbp samsung SSD but still not even close to par when compared to intel. I would skip and get the intel x-25m.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1230/1/
if i remember weel from anandtech articles intel g2 loses less performance over time wich IMHO is very useful for macs wich don't have trim yet.
so with g1 you pay less and you have less.
But i imagine it's still far better than a regular HD.
I'm very confused now. Previous to reading this thread I didn't know anything about SSDs but the speed boost they offered. Then I learned about the whole degradation effect after filling the drive up, which I thought was agreed to be solved only in the Intels with the TRIM feature, or whatever it is called. Apparently the TRIM feature doesn't work with mac OSX, or so I read. If that is the case, and SSD degradation can't be solved by TRIM on macs, why would you still get the intel? Or even get an SSD at all?
Read the reviews on these Toshiba drives - they barely degrade at all compared to many others, that is probably a substantial factor in why Apple chose them.
My 2009 13" MBP shipped with a 128GB Samsung SSD. It was faster than any HDD I have seen. I noticed no degradation in performance over time.
Unless you demand the fastest possible SSD, I would have faith that the Apple provided SSDs are fast and reliable. But nearly any SSD will be faster than a HDD and provide a "magical and revolutionary" user experience.
Unless you demand the fastest possible SSD, I would have faith that the Apple provided SSDs are fast and reliable. But nearly any SSD will be faster than a HDD and provide a "magical and revolutionary" user experience.
Could you please show me which review that is?
If you mean this (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1230/13/), then this is not applicable to Macs:
After we were through with testing the drive performance was hardly impacted by our abuse, which is amazing and great to see in a mainstream SSD. The Toshiba HG2 256GB had an average read speed of 207.1MB/s, which is not a significant difference from the starting point. You can see that the read speed had a few more 'spikes' across the NAND, but nothing to be concerned about. The access time was slightly up, but the burst rate remained the same at 211MB/s. The Toshiba HG2 series of SSDs appears to do very well when it comes to performance degradation thanks to their proprietary wear leveling algorithm and of course the Windows 7 TRIM command.
This was tested with TRIM on windows no word on testing w/o TRIM. Hope you are right though!
SSD???? benchmarks!!!!
Den863, THANKS!!!!
Anyone else have REAL before and after stats for what SSD does to your experience.
I DON'T CARE that the APPLE SSD is slower than Intel if it is still 10 times! faster than a hard drive.
But would be interested in any and all before and after benchmarks.
I am going SSD 99% sure at this point. With the types of numbers I am seeing I can't even understand why everyone doesn't switch now. I have never seen a new PC development that impacted day to day computing like this. I switch and start apps all day, what a time saver!!!!!
Maybe i just upgrade my 2008 macbook pro to SSD, might be a better bang for my buck.
I have heard noise that compatibility is a serious concern, is that just FUD or what?????
Den863, THANKS!!!!
Anyone else have REAL before and after stats for what SSD does to your experience.
I DON'T CARE that the APPLE SSD is slower than Intel if it is still 10 times! faster than a hard drive.
But would be interested in any and all before and after benchmarks.
I am going SSD 99% sure at this point. With the types of numbers I am seeing I can't even understand why everyone doesn't switch now. I have never seen a new PC development that impacted day to day computing like this. I switch and start apps all day, what a time saver!!!!!
Maybe i just upgrade my 2008 macbook pro to SSD, might be a better bang for my buck.
I have heard noise that compatibility is a serious concern, is that just FUD or what?????
I am also confused now. I thought I had a pretty good idea about the whole SSD upgrade options, but now I'm not sure. If these new drives do not degrade very much like the article says, then I would like to see a comparison chart between these Toshiba(apple) SSD's vs. Intel's G2s OVER TIME. I know the intel g2 would outperform at least in the beginning, but what about after the the drive has been filled up and used a few times? I'm not sure if aftermarket purchase is the right choice anyone. If OS X supported TRIM or something similar then purchasing a Intel G2 drive would be the better option, but as is, maybe the Toshiba drive makes the best SSD upgrade path for these new MBPs.
Does anyone have any information comarping these Toshiba drives to the Intel G2 on MAC OS X?
Does anyone have any information comarping these Toshiba drives to the Intel G2 on MAC OS X?
Getting excited
Wow, anyone have an OWC drive?
read this article on OWC mercury extreme 200GB:
http://macperformanceguide.com/Reviews-SSD-OWC-Mercury_Extreme.html
how can you not get really excited.
1. I have been using a 250 GB drive for two years now and have not need to upgrade. So I think i can survive with 200 GB.
2. Two years ago I cost justified $2700 for my macbook pro, adding this drive to a new laptop would come out less.
3. The performance is just mind boggling.
5. 5 year warrantee on the drive, you gotta be kidding me, when they have to replace it in a year, I will just upgrade no?
Downside:
1. Reliability, ok so i have to put in better backup and restore processes than i currently have, big deal, right???
2. Cost, yeah i spent that much two years ago, but today prices are so much cheaper.
3. Size, yeah 200GB would put me near my limit for sure. Not optimal, but hey just means no fun things like movies, its just for work anyway.
Wow, anyone have an OWC drive?
read this article on OWC mercury extreme 200GB:
http://macperformanceguide.com/Reviews-SSD-OWC-Mercury_Extreme.html
how can you not get really excited.
1. I have been using a 250 GB drive for two years now and have not need to upgrade. So I think i can survive with 200 GB.
2. Two years ago I cost justified $2700 for my macbook pro, adding this drive to a new laptop would come out less.
3. The performance is just mind boggling.
5. 5 year warrantee on the drive, you gotta be kidding me, when they have to replace it in a year, I will just upgrade no?
Downside:
1. Reliability, ok so i have to put in better backup and restore processes than i currently have, big deal, right???
2. Cost, yeah i spent that much two years ago, but today prices are so much cheaper.
3. Size, yeah 200GB would put me near my limit for sure. Not optimal, but hey just means no fun things like movies, its just for work anyway.
An SSD will make your 08 MBP feel like a brand new machine. I have an 08 15" 2.5 GHz MBP, and when I put SSD in that, I lost interest in upgrading it. Makes it feel really nice and zippy.
And with that in mind...
I still have my MBP pre-unibody 17" 2.4, been thinking of upgrading the HD for some time or just getting the new MBP with an SSD.
Would it be worthwhile to save the cash and keep the old MBP (the 8600 video card has been replaced), or just to go with the new MBP and SSD? No worries, faster yet?
I found a massive increase in speed and productivity when switching from 5400RPM hard drive to SSD, but I imagine it depends on what kind of applications you use most frequently. Also, if you upgrade to new MBP in the future, you can use your SSD in the new machine. I'm hoping the next MBP refresh in about 8-9 months will have USB 3.0.
Here is a video showing the time it takes to boot up and load several Adobe apps with two MBP's, one with SSD the other without, but otherwise same specs.
http://eshop.macsales.com/Customized_Pages/Framework.cfm?page=ssd-speed-test-feb-10.html
Performace Comparison
I have a MBP i7 with a 7.2K Drive in it now. This is my 4th machine that I have to send back to apple, this time not a mechanical failure, but a cosmetic Defect. For my hassles, Apple is going to upgrade me to the 256GB SSD and 8GB of RAM. I am excited to see what kind of performance difference there will be and what kind of drive they will be putting in the machine.
I will post bench test of this machine and then compare them to the machine I am getting once I get it, and will show pics as well.
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I have a MBP i7 with a 7.2K Drive in it now. This is my 4th machine that I have to send back to apple, this time not a mechanical failure, but a cosmetic Defect. For my hassles, Apple is going to upgrade me to the 256GB SSD and 8GB of RAM. I am excited to see what kind of performance difference there will be and what kind of drive they will be putting in the machine.
I will post bench test of this machine and then compare them to the machine I am getting once I get it, and will show pics as well.
M
I just put the WD Scorpio Blue SSD in my eeePC1000H...I didn't want to spend a lot of $$ on the eee so I waited until this drive was on sale at newegg for $109 (with the coupon I had also)...
I state this example as its running winXP and that has no trim command but the WD drive has its own onboard GC which acts like trim to write across the whole SSD and keep things even...
I wasn't happy with it for two weeks as I cloned the old HDD (a WD Scorpio Blue 250 Gb drive) to the SSD and something may have gone wrong with the cloning as I had to .net framework updates begin to fail after a week.
Yesterday I did a fresh install from the ground up and this drive is pleasingly fast even on the anemic Atom N270 in my eeePC1000H... fresh installs FTW
I state this example as its running winXP and that has no trim command but the WD drive has its own onboard GC which acts like trim to write across the whole SSD and keep things even...
I wasn't happy with it for two weeks as I cloned the old HDD (a WD Scorpio Blue 250 Gb drive) to the SSD and something may have gone wrong with the cloning as I had to .net framework updates begin to fail after a week.
Yesterday I did a fresh install from the ground up and this drive is pleasingly fast even on the anemic Atom N270 in my eeePC1000H... fresh installs FTW
Wondering what your guys opinion is on paying $1000 for a 512gb toshiba ssd to upgrade my momentus XT? Seems like the best price for size drive. I know there are faster ones but if the price is double for a few x speed then not sure if it's worth it......