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Performance / brand of SSD in new Macbook Pro

Yeah - let's keep this thread going until someone confirms the 512 and others are not Samsung.

I must confess I'll probably just order the SSD from Apple, as I've checked on the Crucial, Intel, and others and they are all around the same price, or even more expensive. I doubt that I'm going to really notice that much of difference, especially as I'm upgrading from an '06 MacBook Pro 17" - the first gen.
 
OS X and SSD degradation

Besides the fact that ssd's in past macs have not been top tier performers (compared to others on the market, although more expensive), the fact that ssd's degrade badly overtime without some sort of garbage collection or trim has made me come to the conclusion that I will keep a 7200 rpm hdd until these ssd companies and apple cooperate a bit more to bring this serious issue to a halt. I am expecting that by the end of the year Apple will bring a solution to the table.
 
I'm looking for this info too. I ordered the highend 15" with 256GB SSD.


If apple uses the samsung pm800 series they are not really that bad... It's the same ones Dell uses and they have been coming with firmware supporting trim since December. So it would be in apples court on when to add Trim to OSX if this is true.


But we still don't know so I'm still waiting :)
 
Jon03021 said:
I too am debating the Apple SSD upgrade. With a student discount i can get the 128gb upgrade for only 180$ That sounds a lot nicer then purchasing a 500$ Intel g2 drive from newegg. I have read in multiple reviews that the Samsung drive that Apple uses is at first equivalent to the speed of a Intel G2 drive, but then after use of the drives the Intel drive maintains its speed and the Samsung drive that apple uses looses about a third to half of its speed.
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This is a known issue for many earlier ssds, if you google ssd reviews, all of them explain it in detail. Most current gen ssd dont have this problem anymore.

It's one of the reason why it's so important to know what ssd the new mbp is using. It is most significant. i5 vs i7 and 256b vs 512mb video isnt as critical by comparison. Yet apple leaves this info out sigh.

we need brand/model on 1) 128gb 2) 256gb 3) 512gb

noone who ordered custom from apple store used nextdayair shipping? :D
 
gagaliya said:
This is a known issue for many earlier ssds, if you google ssd reviews, all of them explain it in detail. Most current gen ssd dont have this problem anymore.

It's one of the reason why it's so important to know what ssd the new mbp is using. It is most significant. i5 vs i7 and 256b vs 512mb video isnt as critical by comparison. Yet apple leaves this info out sigh.

we need brand/model on 1) 128gb 2) 256gb 3) 512gb

noone who ordered custom from apple store used nextdayair shipping? :D
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I wish apple would have used the intel x-25 drives like in the Hp envy's. You can get 320gb of ssd intel g2s for 500$ on the HP website
 
Jon03021 said:
I too am debating the Apple SSD upgrade. With a student discount i can get the 128gb upgrade for only 180$ That sounds a lot nicer then purchasing a 500$ Intel g2 drive from newegg. I have read in multiple reviews that the Samsung drive that Apple uses is at first equivalent to the speed of a Intel G2 drive, but then after use of the drives the Intel drive maintains its speed and the Samsung drive that apple uses looses about a third to half of its speed.
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Would you please post the link that hows SAMSUNG losing that much of its speed after use?
 
Which SSD then?

Hi All.
I don't know too much about SSD's except for their performance. Today I just went and got a core i7 17" screen with a regular drive. But I wanted an SSD. I'm considering Kingston SSDNow V+ series. Got some good reviews from ppl with Macs on Newegg. Anyone have opinions about this particular brand?
 
gagaliya said:
Most current gen ssd dont have this problem anymore
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So does that mean that they have "trim" or "garbage collection"?

This sucks - I wish Apple would just tell us what they have so we could make an educated purchase.

Isn't Apple supposed to be transparent?
 
withdrawal said:
So does that mean that they have "trim" or "garbage collection"?

This sucks - I wish Apple would just tell us what they have so we could make an educated purchase.

Isn't Apple supposed to be transparent?
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OS X doesn't support TRIM…

And when was Apple every transparent? The only thing about that's transparent is the glass they use on everything.
 
Here's an excerpt from this Anandtech article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3659/apples-15inch-core-i5-macbook-pro-the-one-to-get

Anand lad shimpi (or whatever his name is) states that it's a Samsung or Toshiba:

"The entire MacBook Pro lineup finally ships with 4GB of memory and a 250GB hard drive at minimum. Unfortunately SSDs are still not standard and appear to only be sourced from Samsung or Toshiba. Despite the Intel lovefest elsewhere in the MacBook Pro, you still can’t get an X25-M officially sanctioned by Apple. One of these days I expect Apple will get onboard the SSD train, but until then you’re better off sticking with the hard drive and upgrading to an SSD on your own.
 
isn't it weird that no tear-downs in which the SSD is revealed has been done yet? how did that anandtech guy know the brand of the SSD without specifically looking?
 
jetjaguar said:
damn really? the performance degrades that much ?
ahh i cant friggin decide .. i dont know if 160gb will be enough space .. i was planning on getting the 256gb ssd from apple .. i guess i could just get the i7 15inch hi res matte and just keep the base hd
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Yep - the degradation is only on the write cycles when the SSD gets full (after that it doesn't matter even if you erase data, the performance still stays slow) . The intel SSD has TRIM, which keeps it in shape, but unfortunateley OSX does not support TRIM (yet), to take advantage of the TRIM feature, you will have to dual boot with windows 7.
 
gagaliya said:
yes that's $500 vs ~$150 from apple store upgrade. Not to mention if there are any issues and you need to exchange the mbp, it's annoying to take it out etc..

It's much better just to use the apple upgrade option, if they will only tell us what ssd it's using!!
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much better? hardly. Look at the benchmarks. Samsung vs, Intel is like High School ball vs. Pros.
 
abnospam said:
much better? hardly. Look at the benchmarks. Samsung vs, Intel is like High School ball vs. Pros.
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it's so painful to talk to you guys, much better as in $150 vs $500, which is what i clearly wrote in the post. Of course the intel ssd is better performance wise....

Screw it cant wait anymore, i am just going to pay 50 bucks more for a 500gb 7200rpm, then upgrade to a ssd in 2 years when the tech matures enough and significantly cheaper. Paying $500 extra for a ~120gb ssd just isnt worth it (in my view of course).
 
gagaliya said:
it's so painful to talk to you guys, much better as in $150 vs $500, which is what i clearly wrote in the post. Of course the intel ssd is better performance wise....

Screw it cant wait anymore, i am just going to pay 50 bucks more for a 500gb 7200rpm, then upgrade to a ssd in 2 years when the tech matures enough and significantly cheaper. Paying $500 extra for a ~120gb ssd just isnt worth it (in my view of course).
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sorry, yes. I would just wait 6-12 months and I bet SSD's come way down by then, maybe even 50%. You would be pissed with a small SSD that degrades a ton and you probably would buy a new SSD anyway, so just wait it out.
 
I spoke to a Customer Service Specialist at Apple Corporate who seemed very nice and eager to help answer some questions regarding the 2 MBP's I ordered. (Both with 512GB SSDs)

I asked him if he could ask a Technical Specialist what the model of SSD 512GB drives would be installed in the new MBPs. After about 12 minutes on hold he came back to say that Apple works with quite a few proprietary manufacturers for the drives, but did mention the only specific drive the person he talked to thinks is going in is the Toshiba THNS512GG8BBAA.

I will post pics of one of mine when I receive my systems. I just thought I'd share this info with you folks.
 
fuzzylemurs said:
I spoke to a Customer Service Specialist at Apple Corporate who seemed very nice and eager to help answer some questions regarding the 2 MBP's I ordered. (Both with 512GB SSDs)

I asked him if he could ask a Technical Specialist what the model of SSD 512GB drives would be installed in the new MBPs. After about 12 minutes on hold he came back to say that Apple works with quite a few proprietary manufacturers for the drives, but did mention the only specific drive the person he talked to thinks is going in is the Toshiba THNS512GG8BBAA.

I will post pics of one of mine when I receive my systems. I just thought I'd share this info with you folks.
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If this is correct then the new 2010 macbook pro's feature the new Toshiba HG2 SSD Drives, which have recieved well reviews and have not had the degraded problem of the previous drives used in the 2009 macbook pro's.

Source:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1230/13/


Intel G2 vs Toshiba HG2 Benchmark comparison

Toshiba HG2
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Intel G2
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As far as the real world goes, i have no idea what the difference would feel like, but as far as these benchmarks it looks like the intel g2 drive outperforms the suspected current SSD drives Apple is using (toshiba HG2's)

Source for benchmarks:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1230/12/
 
Jon03021 said:
If this is correct then the new 2010 macbook pro's feature the new Toshiba HG2 SSD Drives, which have recieved well reviews and have not had the degraded problem of the previous drives used in the 2009 macbook pro's.

Source:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1230/13/
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Well, I doubt it in some way, the article states clearly, the drive is definitely a winner, due to new tech and W7 TRIM support... I'm not sure if SL supports TRIM command though, or does it?
 
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