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Yes, we know what a modern smartphone looks like and how it works.

Saying there is no more innovation in the space is ludicrous. Here are a few areas where there is a ton of innovation.

  • Battery Technology (weeks on a charge, organic cells)
  • Camera Tech (DoF, Color, resolution, white noise)
  • VR / AR
  • Digital Assistants (We're not even close to samantha from her yet)
  • iPhone as the only computer you need. just keep a keyboard, mouse & monitor at your office & home and move the iPhone between them
  • CPU speeds
  • RAM miniaturization
  • 1 terabytes on a smart phone
  • Multi-users on phones or tablets
  • integrated fingerprint sensors on the LCD scree itself
  • Completely eliminating the wallet
  • Eliminating the need for house & car keys
  • embedding a lot of the functions in our own bodies (the watch is step 1 to having computer abilities connected to our skin)
  • Wireless charging or the complete elimination of needing a lightning port at all
  • Wireless cell data that is just as fast as your home cable connection

Over the next 15 years, a lot of this will come true and Apple is spending billions to make sure the iPhone is that. Apple may fail but to say the age of smartphone is behind us from a supposed technology person is laughable.

Theres the thing, none of this is innovation. This is all being integrated and improved on already by various manufacturers.
 
Yes, we know what a modern smartphone looks like and how it works.

Saying there is no more innovation in the space is ludicrous. Here are a few areas where there is a ton of innovation.

  • Battery Technology (weeks on a charge, organic cells)
  • Camera Tech (DoF, Color, resolution, white noise)
  • VR / AR
  • Digital Assistants (We're not even close to samantha from her yet)
  • iPhone as the only computer you need. just keep a keyboard, mouse & monitor at your office & home and move the iPhone between them
  • CPU speeds
  • RAM miniaturization
  • 1 terabytes on a smart phone
  • Multi-users on phones or tablets
  • integrated fingerprint sensors on the LCD scree itself
  • Completely eliminating the wallet
  • Eliminating the need for house & car keys
  • embedding a lot of the functions in our own bodies (the watch is step 1 to having computer abilities connected to our skin)
  • Wireless charging or the complete elimination of needing a lightning port at all
  • Wireless cell data that is just as fast as your home cable connection

Over the next 15 years, a lot of this will come true and Apple is spending billions to make sure the iPhone is that. Apple may fail but to say the age of smartphone is behind us from a supposed technology person is laughable.

Honestly, forget all that. All I want is a dark mode that doesn't singe my eyes when I wake up in the morning. It's like nobody at Apple uses their products after sunset.

Oh, and maybe to fix the awful input blocking that's been present since iOS 7.0, if they can be bothered.

That's innovation enough. Instead we get the devices turning into a store and refusal to update their desktops to modern hardware.
 
You'll never need more than 640 kB of RAM.

Bill Gates never said that.

What he said was:

When we set the upper limit of PC-DOS at 640K, we thought nobody would ever need that much memory.

Context is important. He was talking explicitly about the requirements of PC-DOS, but people have extrapolated his remarks and distorted them to support their own narratives.
 
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Honestly, forget all that. All I want is a dark mode that doesn't singe my eyes when I wake up in the morning. It's like nobody at Apple uses their products after sunset.

Oh, and maybe to fix the awful input blocking that's been present since iOS 7.0, if they can be bothered.

That's innovation enough. Instead we get the devices turning into a store and refusal to update their desktops to modern hardware.

Even Linux Mint offers a system-wide dark mode. Meanwhile, Apple with its trillion dollar market cap can’t be bothered.

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Even Linux Mint offers a system-wide dark mode. Meanwhile, Apple with its trillion dollar market cap can’t be bothered.

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No kidding!

The kicker is the article talks about how the iPhone is a decade old now and they're looking for more ways to enhance it, yet nobody's implemented this.

It's not like we demand everything to be present in the first iteration, but by now...
 
Inevitably progress will plateau but it seems a little outrageous to say the age is over. The phone will likely control every electronic device in our lives from our tv to our washing machine and even the car so I'd say there's a lot more innovation to come. But what do I know.
 
I know Bill Gates has denied this quote repeatedly, but I think Thiels' comment, like the one below, is one of those that we will all chuckle about 10 years from now- "No one will need more than 637 kb of memory for a personal computer. 640K ought to be enough for anybody."

It was IBM who set hA0000 as a fixed address for system use and devices. Gates never liked that and for sure he never said 640KB is good enough.
And by the way fpr Macintosh Apple set h400000 as a fixed address (for ROM). Only a higher address - not a better decision.
 
While I agree that you can't get much more out of a phone (the iPhone 7 is near perfect) for the foreseeable future, Apple still has a lot of growth in it.

The Apple Watch, Apple TV and services still have a lot of rooms for growth (and innovation). The former two could open up huge profits towards the latter.

The iPad is also a product that has a lot more room for growth and innovation.

The PC market is also slowing, at least until 10nm die chips are perfected in a couple of years, but the company should focus on growing its PC business too.
 
The defenders of future innovation in the smartphone all are listing evolutionary changes to prove their point. Evolutionary changes, while great, are not revolutionary. The smart phone of ten years from now is apt to be an improved upon version of what we had 10 years ago. That implies no major innovation. Doubling, tripling, or increasing RAM by any amount over time is not a major innovation.
 
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There's no point in defending Apple, they're just another company who only care when your spending £ on them, eventually some other company will out do them, such a fickle industry
 
Along the lines of what is wrong with Apple https://9to5mac.com/2017/01/13/why-chris-lattner-left-apple/

I have a close childhood friend who works at Apple, have been told this exact story for years...(literally that developers would rather work at Netflix) and now look at this, top person leaving because of in-balance privacy and openness

Everything about life is balance.. balance between secrecy and openness from a development standpoint. The balance between guiding the industry and obnoxiously pushing it and upsetting your customers. The balance between all your areas of development, not just one. The balance of secrecy and allowing your corporate customers to plan for purchasing and retirement of old product based on roadmaps.

Apple is an unbalanced company, putting all its eggs into one basket, driving away its core customers and staff, and shareholders should be concerned.
 
The defenders of future innovation in the smartphone all are listing evolutionary changes to prove their point. Evolutionary changes, while great, are not revolutionary. The smart phone of ten years from now is apt to be an improved upon version of what we had 10 years ago. That implies no major innovation. Doubling, tripling, or increasing RAM by any amount over time is not a major innovation.

Yes. The rotating dish in my microwave is awesome, but not what I'd call an innovation. The microwave oven itself WAS an innovation at one time.
 
come on! a thiner iMac in rose gold without any storage, ram and video (cuz it's really tin) IS inovation and for $0.99 may sell...... a lot!

or may not sell at all... no idea... I'm just a consumer, who want to USE the tools, and not to check how thin they are.
 
I am old and not very tech savvy, but I hope to wait until there is a folding screen before I buy another smart phone. I like the one I have now, but it is really too long to fit in my pants pocket. It put my wife's picture on the left because I used her Facebook sign in.
 
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>It's not the fault of Tim Cook, but it's not an area where there will be any more innovation.


You'll never need more than 640 kB of RAM.


Mr. Gates, I beg to differ. Seeing that your a fan for the 640kb (Ram) phone devices. Can you tell me what phone out there that has 640kb of ram that can perform just as well as the Note 5 and/or iPhone 7.

ryan
 
Mr. Gates, I beg to differ. Seeing that your a fan for the 640kb (Ram) phone devices. Can you tell me what phone out there that has 640kb of ram that can perform just as well as the Note 5 and/or iPhone 7.

ryan

I believe Mr Gates was making a facetious comment in reference to an older bold statement about the future of technology.
 
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When your house is being cleaned by a robot, your dinner expertly made by a robot, you get nightly massages from a robot, and your car is driving itself come back and tell me hardware has no more wow factor left.
When a robot can keep my garden in shape, repair a broken toilet, hang wallpaper on the wall, and fix my car, then let's talk. What I'm looking forward to is cold calling robots and answering machine robots having talking duels on the phone.
 
Yea it's Jon Ive's fault. His unchecked hardon for thinness has destroyed the company. Maybe if they got a couple engineers to actually keep him in check and remind him no one gives a **** about thickness at this point they wouldn't be having these issues.

( DING ! ) No More Calls, we have a winner! The sooner Sir Ive follows through with retirement , the better off we'll all be. Thinness ... and the removal of ALL features and ports disguised as "simplifying".

But you buried the lead. He says Apple is Over... because of PHONES. Even he knows they aren't a computer company anymore. They only make computers under protest. And if they can't innovate iPhones... they ARE doomed.
 
This years model wasn't a huge reason to upgrade. Especially since the new pay model makes purchasing a phone require a loan; but that doesn't mean the iPhone isn't a great product... Methinks that Thiel's head is a little to big.
 
Here's the thing though:

a) You could have made this statement about any of Apple's products throughout history. "We know what a computer looks like and does." See what I did there?

b) Peter Thiel is a complete bozo.

No doubt. That said, I think Thiel is actually right, just for the wrong reasons. The reason Apple is over is...

UX job #1 --> marketing & spreadsheets job #1

In fact you can watch Steve Jobs explain it:
 
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