This thread is not what you think it's about, although the up front price of pets is fair game. My observation is that we have some grown up kids of close friends who are basically of family status, who have allowed the last three residences they have lived in, the last a $200,000 house be partially destroyed and turned to into a 2000 square foot toilet by their pets, specifically currently two large dogs. Sliding glass and regular doors ruined, clawed down to bare wood. The wife is the the one who pushes for pets, but the family, 2 working adults, including a couple of children who are completely unsuited to the responsibility of pet ownership. It boggles my mind that they are willing to allow the destruction of their primary asset for pain in the ass animals. My spouse I had 3 cats for 17 years, and visitors to out house had no clue we had cat until they saw them. In the example I'm referencing your nose (the lovely smell of **** and piss) would tell you there are animals as soon as you walk through the front door. Her parents are dismayed. This is not the worst case I've seen. The worst was when I was dating, I met a girl as a young adult, and when I stepped through the door, she lived with her parents, I was knocked over by the prevalent smell of ammonia, produced by 17 cats, in a closed up house during the winter. It was a short lived relationship.