iPad Pro Phil called it a "Windows Replacement"

[MartyCan]

At first reaction I thought "what?" But that was in terms of a heavy user deeply into using Office and other Apps.

Then I thought a moment. There probably are 100's of millions of old Windows PC's out there that are used for just basic tasks like email and web-surfing. Things the iPad was already more than capable of. With a keyboard the iPad Pro is a very realistic and capable option for a lot of casual users.

Interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[joeblow7777]

Then I thought a moment. There probably are 100's of millions of old Windows PC's out there that are used for just basic tasks like email and web-surfing. Things the iPad was already more than capable of. With a keyboard the iPad Pro is a very realistic and capable option for a lot of casual users.

But if that's all you're interested in anyway, there are a lot of much less expensive Windows devices or even Chromebooks that do that. The thing is, especially with peripherals, iPads are approaching Ultrabook class PC prices.

 

[MartyCan]

But if that's all you're interested in anyway, there are a lot of much less expensive Windows devices or even Chromebooks that do that. The thing is, especially with peripherals, iPads are approaching Ultrabook class PC prices.

I don't think they expect to capture ALL of the old Windows PC users but they do need to postion themselves to pick-up some.

Besides iPad Pro can also do a lot more cool things than a Chromebook right out of the box.

 

[Noble Actual]

Phil says a lot of things.

 

[sracer]

I don't think they expect to capture ALL of the old Windows PC users but they do need to postion themselves to pick-up some.

Besides iPad Pro can also do a lot more cool things than a Chromebook right out of the box.

But at 3x the price.

 

[MartyCan]

But at 3x the price.

With a lot more capability. Built in storage being the first thing on the list.

I'm not saying it's a rock solid posture but almost certainly the guys in charge of figuring out where they can sell more stuff have decided it's a good target market.

 

[Michael Goff]

Also, the Pro replaces their iPad that does iPad things and their laptop that does certain things as well. There is an argument to be made.

 

[sracer]

With a lot more capability. Built in storage being the first thing on the list.

I'm not saying it's a rock solid posture but almost certainly the guys in charge of figuring out where they can sell more stuff have decided it's a good target market.

Yeah, you already said it can do a lot more. But for many who have those older PCs, a chromebook would be a much better value than an iPad pro. $750 for a 32gb ipp + keyboard vs $200-$300 for a good quality chromebook. Just because Schiller says something doesn't mean that it is true.

 

[AliMacs]

At first reaction I thought "what?" But that was in terms of a heavy user deeply into using Office and other Apps.

Then I thought a moment. There probably are 100's of millions of old Windows PC's out there that are used for just basic tasks like email and web-surfing. Things the iPad was already more than capable of. With a keyboard the iPad Pro is a very realistic and capable option for a lot of casual users.

Interesting to see how it plays out.

Phil smokes weed. Just not any type of weed you and I can buy. It's exclusive Apple weed because he says crap that no one should believe anymore. The guy is a flat out lying sack of dung.

 

[Kal-037]

Phil says a lot of things.

Yep, including a lot of bull****. lol

 

[joeblow7777]

With a lot more capability. Built in storage being the first thing on the list.

I'm not saying it's a rock solid posture but almost certainly the guys in charge of figuring out where they can sell more stuff have decided it's a good target market.

For me, personally, the greater storage is kind of offset by the lack of a true file management system. If iOS provided even a rudimentary file system instead of everything being sandboxed in its own app or having to rely on the cloud (no different than a Chromebook then) or 3rd party work-arounds, that would go a long way towards making an iPad a convenient replacement for my PC.

Also, the Pro replaces their iPad that does iPad things and their laptop that does certain things as well. There is an argument to be made.

But still, you can get a cheaper iPad like a mini AND an inexpensive laptop/Chromebook and still spend less.

I'm not trying to hate on the iPad Pro, by the way. I just think that it's a tad overpriced for what it is.

 

[Rideherhard]

Depends on use... For me it's mostly a replacement, I need windows for one program that I rarely use. But iPads can still only use one page in an app, which is a bit annoying, if in word you can't have a few pages up... With all the power in the iPad I don't get why this is? Why not have taps at the top like when web browsing. But I prefer the use of iPads as a computer replacement for 90% of my computer usage

 

[bjet767]

The truth is iOS and the Arm processor is currently not a Windows killer. Windows on the Surface is a superior and far more capable system than iPad Pro at its current state. For Apple to match, and that's just to match and not exceed the MS combination, it will have to provide a full OS X with touch screen system like the Surface.

I'll name just one thing the Surface can do the iPad Pro can't, it can be used to write programs which it can run. To write true iOS apps one needs an OS X based computer.

Apple quit trying to fool us, bring on a true, that is not ARM crippled, OS X based pad.

 

[Michael Goff]

For me, personally, the greater storage is kind of offset by the lack of a true file management system. If iOS provided even a rudimentary file system instead of everything being sandboxed in its own app or having to rely on the cloud (no different than a Chromebook then) or 3rd party work-arounds, that would go a long way towards making an iPad a convenient replacement for my PC.



But still, you can get a cheaper iPad like a mini AND an inexpensive laptop/Chromebook and still spend less.

I'm not trying to hate on the iPad Pro, by the way. I just think that it's a tad overpriced for what it is.

Yeah, but what if they want a full sized iPad and a laptop? It happens. It might be overpriced for you, but that's just you. It saves some people money.

 

[Ghost31]

Phil says a lot of things.

And tune it for next week's episode of "Phil says the darndest things"

 

[s2mikey]

Phil smokes weed. Just not any type of weed you and I can buy. It's exclusive Apple weed because he says crap that no one should believe anymore. The guy is a flat out lying sack of dung.

Hes an OK guy - just towing the company line. Whats he supposed to say?

As for a Windows replacement? We've been hearing that for a while now. Not probably gonna happen. Not at starting prices of $599 anyways.

 

[MartyCan]

The truth is iOS and the Arm processor is currently not a Windows killer. Windows on the Surface is a superior and far more capable system than iPad Pro at its current state. For Apple to match, and that's just to match and not exceed the MS combination, it will have to provide a full OS X with touch screen system like the Surface.

I'll name just one thing the Surface can do the iPad Pro can't, it can be used to write programs which it can run. To write true iOS apps one needs an OS X based computer.

Apple quit trying to fool us, bring on a true, that is not ARM crippled, OS X based pad.

The Surface 4 is no bargain either though. I've looked a couple of times and I'm astounded how quickly they get very pricey.

 

[oldmacs]

Fix up iOS for iPads, then say that its a good Windows replacement. The iPad is great for people who are purely consumption based, but beyond that, things are still developing.

 

[MartyCan]

Fix up iOS for iPads, then say that its a good Windows replacement. The iPad is great for people who are purely consumption based, but beyond that, things are still developing.

I use Excel on IPP regularly and I could easily type documents in Word.

 

[Ghost31]

I use Excel on IPP regularly and I could easily type documents in Word.

Yeah? Well I type papers, jot notes with the pencil, edit high def videos and do research on mine. So I got you beat

But yeah. iPad is stupid and tablets are useless toys. Yep

 

[oldmacs]

I use Excel on IPP regularly and I could easily type documents in Word.

Yeah? Well I type papers, jot notes with the pencil, edit high def videos and do research on mine. So I got you beat

But yeah. iPad is stupid and tablets are useless toys. Yep

I said things are developing. A lot of things are still limited and people have a large variety of use cases on Windows that are hard to replicate on the iPad. At the moment, I find working on an iPad more cumbersome than on a Macintosh for many things, and I have been experimenting on and off for years. Multitasking and the file system need to be expanded upon a lot, and I hope they are in iOS 10, as iOS 9 started the process.

 

[east85]

The iPad is capable of replacing a laptop for most people. It might not be as straight forward completing specialized tasks on an iPad because you need to find the proper software or app to do the job, but with the number of apps available there's almost always a way to complete even more complex tasks. Most people never really try to just go iPad only, but I'm sure for those that do it's surprisingly easier than they thought, especially among users who need very common tasks completed. The only thing I miss on my iPad is webrtc support personally.

 

[Ghost31]

I said things are developing. A lot of things are still limited and people have a large variety of use cases for the iPad. At the moment, I find working on an iPad more cumbersome than on a Macintosh and I have been experimenting on and off for years. Multitasking and the file system need to be expanded upon a lot, and I hope they are in iOS 10, as iOS 9 started the process.

I'm thinking because of the language Apple is using to describe tablets now and the new "pro" branding, iOS 10 is gonna be HUGE for tablets. I'm guessing it'll seem like a repeat of past Apple...things

People complain Apple isn't innovating, have checklists full of crap they would have wanted Apple to add, then after people have been complaining for a long time Apple adds those things in a nice intuitive way. People will still complain, saying "I've had so and so feature on my surface forever", but most people will be happy and as time goes on, the iPad line will be pushed forward in capability. At some point meeting the same functionality as pc's.

 

[ZombiePete]

Yeah, you already said it can do a lot more. But for many who have those older PCs, a chromebook would be a much better value than an iPad pro. $750 for a 32gb ipp + keyboard vs $200-$300 for a good quality chromebook. Just because Schiller says something doesn't mean that it is true.

Chromebooks are decent but their value depends a lot on what you're looking for. As tablets they're terrible; touchscreen support is an afterthought on Chrome OS. Despite all the improvements in the end it's still basically just Chrome with some PC flourishes to make it better at juggling multiple Chrome windows. If you're on the internet all the time it can definitely suffice as a PC replacement, but I think that it's way more of a compromise than iOS is. Ironically, Android seems to be getting more love as a computer replacement nowadays.

The truth is iOS and the Arm processor is currently not a Windows killer. Windows on the Surface is a superior and far more capable system than iPad Pro at its current state. For Apple to match, and that's just to match and not exceed the MS combination, it will have to provide a full OS X with touch screen system like the Surface.

This is a highly debatable statement. That the Surface is more capable than the iPP at some things is true, but the iPP is also better in many aspects than the Surface, so in the end the superiority of the device depends largely on what you need it for. For example:

I'll name just one thing the Surface can do the iPad Pro can't, it can be used to write programs which it can run. To write true iOS apps one needs an OS X based computer

This is an almost ludicrously specific requirement; how many consumers are writing applications, let alone writing apps that they need to run on the same platforming they're developing on? You can't judge whether a device is objectively better based on your own subjective requirements. For a lot of people, like my mother for instance, an iPad is a far superior device than a Surface ever could be precisely because it is simple to use, simple to maintain, and yet does everything she needs a computer to do. That does not make the iPP a superior device overall, and no one is claiming that. It simply can be and is a PC replacement for her.

Apple quit trying to fool us, bring on a true, that is not ARM crippled, OS X based pad.

Never going to happen. Stick to your SP4.

Fix up iOS for iPads, then say that its a good Windows replacement. The iPad is great for people who are purely consumption based, but beyond that, things are still developing.

Things are developing, but I agree that Apple needs to put more emphasis on getting productivity apps into iOS. Getting their own productivity tools beyond the basics like iWorks would be a great start!

 

[oldmacs]

I'm thinking because of the language Apple is using to describe tablets now and the new "pro" branding, iOS 10 is gonna be HUGE for tablets. I'm guessing it'll seem like a repeat of past Apple...things

People complain Apple isn't innovating, have checklists full of crap they would have wanted Apple to add, then after people have been complaining for a long time Apple adds those things in a nice intuitive way. People will still complain, saying "I've had so and so feature on my surface forever", but most people will be happy and as time goes on, the iPad line will be pushed forward in capability. At some point meeting the same functionality as pc's.

Hopefully you are right. The iPad really stagnated a lot between about 2012 and late 2015....

I hope for the iCloud Drive app to be turned into something far more useful - something where you can store things locally, and access external drives etc. Safari needs to be able to download to it. There are a lot of improvements to make and split screen multitasking was the first step.

I hope Apple brings preview over to the the iPad.. Being able to markup and perform other modifications to documents would be great. iWork needs a lot of work done to expand it. Hopefully deep search is expanded significantly on iOS 10.. I find it fairly useless. On my mac I can just search and find that pages document from a month ago, on iOS not so much.